Johnson, Pedersdatter, Sve, Stubsve, Relatives?

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Topic author: carraj
Subject: Johnson, Pedersdatter, Sve, Stubsve, Relatives?
Posted on: 13/04/2005 06:20:06
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Peder JOHNSON - Olina PEDERSDATTER. Found Great Grandfather/Grandmother in 1865 Norway Census - telling for 1624 Stadsbygd. Distriknr 6, Side 113, Skoledistrikt Ritsen, Sogn Risen, Prestegjeld Stadsbygd, Gardsnavn Nostbraettingen.
All children except two daughters emigrated to Minnesota. Oldest daughter Methe Maria Pedersdatter, born in 1856, married Ole SVE, born in 1855.
Olina Margrethe (Lena) Pedersdatter, born in 1862 married Anders STUBSVE, born in 1858.
Have info to share if anyone seeking on Peder Johnson descendants in US.

Upcoming trip to Norway in May and seeking suggestions on best/quickest way to try to find any relatives to meet while on trip?

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Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 13/04/2005 18:18:19
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Some of my wife's ancestors came from the Stubbsve farm in Rissa. if you can provide some more names I can check for a connection. Her great-great- grandmother's name was Oline Stubbsve, but I don't know if this is the same Oline as the one you have.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 13/04/2005 23:02:36
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Thanks for the response! Here is everything I know about her at this point ... (Should what I have listed as "Rissen" actually be "Rissa"?)

Olina Margrethe (Lena) PEDERSDATTER was born in 1862 in Rissen, Norway. She appeared in the census in 1865 in Norway with her father and mother, information on them below. Age in 1865 Norway census listed as 4. She also appeared in the census in 1900 in Norway, with her husband, Anders STUBSVE, born in 1858 in Rissen, Norway. In 1900 Norway Census, Anders occupation is listed as "Tommermand" ( carpenter, framer, timber cruiser). Arbeider (laborer, worker) for "egen Regning" (his own bill).

(My Great-Grandparents) Peder JOHNSON and Olina (Oline) PEDERSDATTER are PARENTS of Olina Margrethe (Lena) PEDERSDATTER STUBSVE.
Peder JOHNSON appeared in the census in 1865 in Norway with his wife, Olina PEDERSDATTER, and 5 children. Age in 1865 Norway census listed as 37. "Fodested" (Birthplace) is listed as the church clerical district of Stadsbygdens Prgj for Peder, Olina, and all 5 children listed in the census, through Karen Martha. Stadsbygd is also where they are all still living at the time of the census. Peder died in 1885 in Rissen, Norway. He is purported to have been born in Verdalen, Norway. (Don't have proof of that yet.)
Olina (Oline) PEDERSDATTER (daughter of Peder HEGLEAND and Martha) was born on 15 Dec 1833 in Norway. Age listed as 34 in 1865 Norway Census. Listed as "hans Kone" (his wife). She died of cancer of stomach, which she had for 2 years, (according to death certificate) on 8 Jan 1912 in family home, with no physician in attendance, Benville Township, Beltrami County, Minnesota. She was buried on 16 Jan 1912 in Valle Cemetery, Benville Township, Beltrami County, Minnesota.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 17/04/2005 07:07:32
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Lot of Solems in my area in North Central Montana ... any relation?

I have not been able to track Peder Johnson family back further than 1865,
nor had any luck trying to find the farm name listed anyway other than 1865 Census.
Have not been able to find a written record of the children born after 1865 ...
Nor a record of any of the members of the family members who immigrated, in the ships records
I know it is most likely I'm looking in the wrong places ... in reading through the posts here, it seems there are many who may be able to suggest the best locations to try further, and I would appreciate any guidance.

Any idea yet on whether my Stubsve's may be the same as your wife's Stubbsve folks?
Thank you for a great site!

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 17/04/2005 08:41:29
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I have not been able to check it out yet, but will be talking to a sister of my wife's grandmother who has geat knowledge of the family on that side.

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 18/04/2005 22:51:39
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We have been discussing the question today, and we think we have a connection, but we are having some problems sorting it out. It might help if you let us know your line back to Peder Johnsen and Olina Pedersdatter.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 19/04/2005 07:53:50
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Sure ... have not included children except for my own grandfather, but if you need something different, just holler. I have no record yet of children for Stubsve if there were any. And as noted before, have no official record in Norway of the children born to Peder and Olina Pedersdatter after the 1865 census. What record I have is taken from 1900-1920 US Census records which listed birth and emigration years. Thanks!

1-Peder JOHNSON (abt 1828-1885)
+Olina (Oline) PEDERSDATTER (Dec 15, 1833-Jan 8, 1912)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Methe Maria PEDERSDATTER (1856-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Ole SVE (1855-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Julie Paulina PEDERSDATTER (abt 1858-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Paul A KRAGNES (1855-Jan 16, 1927)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Johan August PEDERSON (abt 1859-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Olina Margrethe (Lena) PEDERSDATTER (1862-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Anders STUBSVE (1858-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Karen Martha PEDERSDATTER (Sep 1864-1909)
. . . . . . . . . . +Ole A KRAGNES (Apr 23, 1858-1915)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Benhard JOHNSON (Mar 1869-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Kaia M ECKMAN (Sep 1860-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Peder Odin (Peter) JOHNSON (Sep 19, 1871-Mar 12, 1950)
. . . . . . . . . . +Julia Eliza LANDRO (Sep 28, 1884-Sep 28, 1947)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Emelia ("Emelie") JOHNSON (1873-Jun 8, 1913)
. . . . . . . . . . +Ole LANDRO (-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Ovedia JOHNSON (1875-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Lars H ROSTVOLD (abt 1858-Jan 31, 1931)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Martin Ole JOHNSON (Oct 2, 1877-Mar 19, 1963)
. . . . . . . . . . +Petra MIKKELSON (Mar 17, 1883-Apr 29, 1918)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-Norton Orvis JOHNSON (Apr 3, 1911-Dec 25, 1968)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Mary Frances WINTER (Feb 15, 1924-1976)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Carra Louise JOHNSON (Dec 15, 1946-)

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 30/04/2005 15:52:16
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I sent you 2 pictures of the old house on Nøstbrettingen where Peder and Olia lives, I hope you received it. Here is some information handed to me by my neighbor Andres Myran:

Peder Johnsen Vifstad born in Tydalen, d. Jan. 10 - 1886. In connection with the marriage the church record says he was born in Tydalen and that he was 26 years of age, in connection with his death the church records says he was born in Stjørdalen in 1827
married Sept. 22 - 1856 to
Oline Pedersdatter Haugen (Reinshaugen) b. Dec. 17 - 1833

The known children:
1. Mette Marie Pedersdatter b. Dec. 30 - 1856
m. Dec. 12 - 1882 to
Ole Andreas Johannesen Bustadsve b. Jan. 4 - 1855
Children:
a. Oline Margrethe Olsdatter b. May 11 - 1884
b. Petra Julie Olsdatter b. May 13 - 1886
It is told that this family moved from Rissa to Trondheim, where Ole Andreas worked as a master builder. I will try to trace this family a little further.
2. Karen Martha Pedersdatter b. June 18 - 1862
m. Dec. 30 - 1884 to
Anders Olsen Stubsve b. Sept. 9. 1858
It is not known where this family lived
3. Karen Martha Pedersdatter b. Sept. 9 - 1864
4. Bergitte Sofie Pedersdatter b. Dec. 29 - 1866, d. Jan. 7 - 1867
5. Bernhard Severin Pedersen b. Mar. 5. 1868, emigrated to the USA
6. Peder Odin Pedersen b. Sept. 19 - 1871
7. Emelie Pedersdatter b. Oct. 11 - 1875

Oline Pedersdatter Haugen's family:
Parents:
Peder Olsen Hjelmen Haugen b. 1782, d. June 11 - 1843
m. July 8 - 1821 to
Martha Eriksdatter Fævog b. 1794, d. Jan. 22 - 1876
(Martha m. 2: June 22 - 1846 to Even Olsen Hægli b. 1773, d. June 6 - 1859)
Children:
1. Ane Pedersdatter Hjelmen Haugen b. Apr. 8 - 1820, d. Mar. 28 - 1908
m. June 18 - 1844 to
Kristoffer Pedersen Storaunet (I have more info on the descendants of Ane and Kristoffer)
2. Karen Martha Pedersdatter b. Feb. 17 - 1822, d. Sept. 10 - 1822
3. Karen Martha Pedersdatter b. Oct. 29 - 1823, d. Apr. 20 - 1830
4. Malene Pedersdatter b. Nov. 3 - 1826
m. Oct. 28 - 1850 to
Gabriel Jensen Spagmoe b. 1824
5. Ole Pedersen b. July 19 - 1829, d. May 13 - 1830
6. Karen Martha Pedersdatter b. May 26 - 1831, d. Apr. 25 - 1833
7. Oline Pedersdatter
8. Johan Petter Pedersen Halvei b. Feb. 13 - 1836, d. Nov. 3 - 1914
m. Sept. 8 - 1861 to
Ingeborg Anna Skogen Halvei b. Feb. 6 - 1845, d. May 18 - 1920 (I have more info on the descendants of Johan Petter and Inger Anna)

Peder Olsen Hjelmen Hauge's family:
Ole Pedersen Bratset Hjelmen b. Nov. 1754, d. Mar. 29 - 1823
m. 1. July 4 - 1779 to
Anne Jensdatter Esvig Aasan b. June 1749, d. 1780
m. 2. July 15 - 1781 to
Beret (Marit) Eriksdatter Hjelmen Kasseth b. Apr. 2 - 1758, d. July 15 - 1830
Children:
1. Anne Olsdatter b. Nov. 1781, d. Oct. 28 - 1797
2. Peder Olsen Hjelmen Haugen b. Dec. 1782, d. June 11, 1843
3. Inger Olsdatter b. May 1787, d. 1872
m. July 26 - 1812 to
Erik Olsen Pukstad b. 1783, d. 1855
4. Isak Olsen b. July 1787
m. July 19 - 1829 to
Sidsel Olsdatter Dyrendahl b. 1782
5. Ingeborg Olsdatter b. Nov. 1789, d. 1855
m. 1 July 14 - 1831 to
Christopher Larsen Kaarlie b. 1761, d. 1842
m. 2 1844 to
Ole Pedersen Hagemoe b. 1791, d. 1868
6. Erik Olsen Hjelmen b. Oct. 1792, d. Sept. 12 - 1880
m. July 15 - 1819 to
Gjertrud Kristiansdatter Fætten b. Apr. 1796, d. Jule 28 - 1870
7. Dortha (Dordie) Olsdatter b. June 1795
m. May 16 - 1828 to
Jens Andersen Småvigen b. 1797, d. Nov 21 - 1878
8. Ole Olsen b. June 1798, d. July 14 - 1798
9. Anne Olsdatter b. May 1800, d. Nov. 16 - 1800

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 01/05/2005 00:30:33
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Thank you Borge!! And thanks to your neighbor Andres Myran! This is wonderful information and my family appreciates it so much! I did receive the pictures and have sent you an email back. Thank you for them also ... it is amazing! If I understood you correctly, this is an old house, but not the original house that Peder Johnson family lived in?

Are the "Church Records" where this information exists available by Internet access somewhere (just because I've been searching long where I know to look doesn't mean it isn't there!) or only by personally searching the physical records themselves? Would it be possible to obtain the exact source citation that should be used to document the records from which this information was obtained? I would be glad to do this myself if that's an option ...

Here is information from 1900 Norway Census about the family
Mette Marie Pedersdatter - Ole Andreas Johannesen Bustadsve
Methe Maria PEDERSDATTER (1856-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Ole SVE (1855-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-Margrethe SVE (1884-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-Petra SVE (1886-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-Sofie SVE (1888-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-Olefine SVE (1890-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-Olga SVE (1897-)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-Jenny SVE (1899-)
Maria's name listed in 1900 Census as "Marie", and occupation as "Sydame" (Dressmaker).
Ole's occupation listed as a "Bygmester" (Master builder).

Source: 1900 Norway Census - telling for 1601 Trondhjem, post 24529-24598, Trondhjem, Husliste 28, Kretsnr 65, Gatenavn Ovre Mollenberg Gade, Matr. nr. 53, Vaningshus Vaaningshus Leiegaard, Sidebygninger Baggaard, Ubebodd N, Etasje 2, Beboelse 14, Kvist 4, Personlister 14.

Regarding the Peder Johnsen Vifstad children, there are some slight differences which I will work on exploring, but which you can pass on to Andres Myran. The listing is completely sourced with official documents, there are no "guesses" here. I do have the information on descendants also if he would care to have it for his work.:
. . . . . . . . . . Methe Maria PEDERSDATTER (1856-) (SVE - see family above)
. . . . . . . . . . Julie Paulina PEDERSDATTER (abt 1858-)
. . . . . . . . . . Johan August PEDERSON (abt 1859-)
. . . . . . . . . . Olina Margrethe (Lena) PEDERSDATTER (1862-) (STUBSVE - see family above)
. . . . . . . . . . Karen Martha PEDERSDATTER (Sep 1864-1909) (there is no record of two "Karen"s)
. . . . . . . . . . Bernhard S. JOHNSON (Mar 1869-)
. . . . . . . . . . Peder Odin (Peter) JOHNSON (Sep 19, 1871-Mar 12, 1950)
. . . . . . . . . . Emelia ("Emelie") JOHNSON (1873-Jun 8, 1913)
. . . . . . . . . . Ovedia JOHNSON (1875-)
. . . . . . . . . . Martin Ole JOHNSON (Oct 2, 1877-Mar 19, 1963)

We are so glad to know of the missing child, Bergitte Sofie Pedersdatter b. Dec. 29 - 1866, d. Jan. 7 - 1867.

All children except for Methe Maria and Oline Margrethe emigrated to Minnesota, in case Anders wishes to note that in his notes. And again, if he would like to have everything we have, we will gladly give it to him, along with source citations. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!

Reply author: Jo Anne Sadler
Replied on: 01/05/2005 02:45:17
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The microfilm church records are available for rent at a local Family History Center:

click here

I really doubt there is anything available on the Internet, someone has to sit down and input all this stuff, no one wants to pay for the information so you know how that goes.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 01/05/2005 07:17:36
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Thank you much for the information JoAnne, that's very helpful!! I just this past week found the same reference at familyhistory.org and have it on my list to order on my next visit to FHC ... I am fortunate enough to have one just a couple miles from me and have spent many, many hours there. I feel as though I may have looked at some of these records before, but not been knowledgeable enough to recognize what I was seeing. I have learned much on NorwayHeritage site the past three weeks from reading all the helpful instruction that is so generously shared! It has given me an understanding that I was previously lacking, and I'm sure that's true of most other newer visitors. Thank you for sharing your extremely helpful article on New York passenger records that I found and read last evening on this website. The direction that you provide in that article could have saved me long hours of searching if I had read it years ago!!

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 01/05/2005 08:55:21
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quote:

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Originally posted by carraj

Thank you Borge!! And thanks to your neighbor Andres Myran! This is wonderful information and my family appreciates it so much! I did receive the pictures and have sent you an email back. Thank you for them also ... it is amazing! If I understood you correctly, this is an old house, but not the original house that Peder Johnson family lived in?

Would it be possible to obtain the exact source citation that should be used to document the records from which this information was obtained? I would be glad to do this myself if that's an option ...

. . . . . . . . . . Karen Martha PEDERSDATTER (Sep 1864-1909) (there is no record of two "Karen"s) We are so glad to know of the missing child, Bergitte Sofie Pedersdatter b. Dec. 29 - 1866, d. Jan. 7 - 1867.

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Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 01/05/2005 22:15:52
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Thank you so much for the additional information on the house Borge! In my email that didn't reach you, in addition to many expressions of heartfelt thanks for the great pictures and information, were two questions ... would it be possible to send the pictures as a jpg or other "attachment" to an email rather than inside the body of the email? I am unable to extract and save them from the email for some reason. And are they pictures taken with a digital camera or 35mm poto scanned in? I would like to be able to print them in a family history book I'm compiling for a reunion in August. (Naturally the higher the resolution the better, and I'm sure I may have the answer if you might be able to send them as attachments.)

I agree with you, it was heart-breaking to read of Peder Olsen and Martha's loss of 3 "Karen Martha"s. I was surprised that daughter Olina chose to name one of her children Karen Martha after such a history of the name. However, a joyful note ... Although Peder Johnsen and Olina's Karen Martha also died fairly early in life, she was married and had 11 children before her death, less than a year after her last child was born. Karen Johnsen and Ole Kragnes/Krogness's many, many descendents are good folks and fine leaders of their communities in Minnesota and elsewhere. So in the end, the "Karen Martha" name finally prevailed, a true honor to the three aunts who bore the name before her!

When I referred to there being no record of 2 Karen Martha's, I was referring to Peder Johnsen and Olina's family. Andrus's information had a second Karen Martha in that family as marrying Anders STUBSVE -- it was actually Olina Margrethe (Lena), that you thought might be related to your wife ancestors. There was only the one Karen Martha in Peder Johnsen and Olina's family.

Jo Anne Sadler kindly pointed out to me where I can pursue further Andrus's good information. Thank you again for everything!

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 01/05/2005 22:41:55
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I took a few pictures of the house with my digital camera, I'll try sending them again.

Krognes is also a Rissa farm name, do you know if your Krognes relatives were also from Rissa?

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 02/05/2005 05:34:16
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Yes, the Krognes relatives may well be from the Rissa area. I have found many Krognes in that area in my research, but have not yet been able to tie them together with Karen's Ole.
Ole A. Krognes emigrated in 1882. Karen's year of emigration is listed as 1889, but I haven't been able to find her on the ship's lists. It seems that the year of emigration was likely earlier, BECAUSE
The first son of Karen Martha and Ole Krognes was born Jan 1888 in Minnesota.
Karen and Ole were married Mar 1889 in Minnesota.
At first, I thought that the oldest son must have belonged to Ole A before he and Karen were married. But in the 1900 U.S. Census, Karen's age is listed as 35; number of children born 7, and number of children still living 7. (And there are only 7 children listed in the family at that time, including the oldest son.) The oldest son is listed as 12 years of age, and the number of years of their marriage is listed as 11.
So it is one of the mysteries I am still researching ... if you have any suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 07/05/2005 21:59:09
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Hello Borge, (spelled incorrectly only because I can't make my keyboard make the right letter! -- I hold down the alt key, and type in 0248 but when I release the alt key, nothing is there. Any suggestions?)

I was glad to see you today, I wanted to follow up on three things from our previous postings ... 1) Do you know whether your neighbor Andres Myran ever located the information he thought he remembered about my great-grandfather Peder Johnsen being a glazier? ( "My neighbor did not have his papers at hand, but he thinks Peder Johnson was from Selbu, a glazier.") Andres did very kindly pass on through you two references to Peder's birthplace. Am still searching for information on Peder and stained glass windows and had hoped there might be a clue in Andres's history.

2) In the information you kindly relayed from Andres in the previous posting, there were two references to additional information. Were those Andres's references or your own? "(I have more info on the descendants of Ane and Kristoffer)" and "(I have more info on the descendants of Johan Petter and Inger Anna)". If this information is easily passed, I would very much appreciate it. If it is not easily passed, please disregard, as I am sure that as I become more familiar with searching the Church Records, I may be able to find it myself at some point in the future.

3) I noticed in the family of my great-grandmother Oline Pedersdatter Haugen something that I am also noticing in other family members in Norway I am researching, and am wondering what significance it has. Oline's parent's names are: Peder Olsen Hjelmen Haugen and Martha Eriksdatter Fævog. The name of the oldest daughter in the family is recorded as: Ane Pedersdatter Hjelmen Haugen. All of the other daughters, including Oline, are recorded as just their given name and "Pedersdatter". The oldest of two sons is recorded as just his given name, "Ole" and "Pedersen". But the youngest son is recorded as "Johan Petter Pedersen Halvei". This doesn't seem to follow any of the traditional naming practices I've read about so far, and I'm wondering why the difference in not adding additional family or farm names to some of the children? Thanks for any guidance you might be able to give!

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 07/05/2005 22:48:19
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1) I am working on the stained glass question, but the person who might know something about it is on vacation, he will be back on Monday.

2) The additional info is also from Andreas, I will pass it on to you.

3) In regards of the names in the info I passed on to you, only consider the farm names as a clue to where they lived. It appears that the people who did the research added the farm names only to identify where those persons were living. In the case where two different farm names are given, such as Haugen and Hjelmen, it indicates that people at some time moved from one place to another. Haugen and Hjelmen are two different crofts. I passed on the info as I received it, so I can't really say much more about that. In some cases people who were servants or day-workers moved quite often and would be best recognized just by the patronymic.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 08/05/2005 05:55:37
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Thanks so much Børge! (I still can't make my keyboard work to make the correct spelling, BUT ... I finally realized I could simply cut and paste the correct character!!) Your information about the farm names is very helpful, and may give an important clue to researching Oline's grandparents when I get that far. Thrilled to hear that you may still have a source of information on the stained glass question!

Reply author: mkragness
Replied on: 04/08/2005 18:36:41
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Borge & Carra,

I would love to get copies of the picvtures of the Johnson house in Rissa. Karen Martha is my great-grandmother. She married Ole Krognes after they emigrated to Minnesota. Ole was also from Rissa. I've got information on the Krognes line back to the 1700's if you're interested.

Carra---I've got a picture of the Johnson family, ca 1890 or so, which includes your grandfather Martin. I'd be glad to e-mail you a copy.

Borge---Any information you might have on the Krognes farm would be greatly appreciated. And thanks for all you great work on this site.

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 05/08/2005 01:05:26
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Hi mkragness

I can certainly send you some pictures, I have several. Do you want the "big" files or "small" files. Do you want a pictures of Peder Olsen Hjelmen Haugen's (b. 1782, d. June 11 - 1843) old house also?

Haugen

Reply author: mkragness
Replied on: 05/08/2005 01:29:34
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Borge,

Big files would be great (I think). Thanks so much!

Marcus

Reply author: gica
Replied on: 05/08/2005 08:30:36
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[quote]Originally posted by carraj

Thanks so much Børge! (I still can't make my keyboard work to make the correct spelling, BUT ... I finally realized I could simply cut and paste the correct character!!)

Sorry I goofed! There are ways to get those characters in your type, for example: to type æ you press alt and the numbers 0230; Ø is alt 0216; ø is alt 0248 There is an awesome website that helps see it at http://home.online.no/%7Eotjoerge/files/word.htm The gives definitions of norwegian words and lots of other stuff, It has really helped me!
Gigi

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 23/08/2005 20:05:48
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Hi Carra and Marcus. I have now located several living relatives of yours in the Rissa and Stadsbygd area.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 28/08/2005 08:49:27
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WOW ... what a thrill to see your note on here tonight, Børge!! I think that Marcus is traveling on business just now, and may not see this for a couple days. I would love to touch base with these new-found relatives immediately and I know that the rest of the family will too! How should we go about that? I will be glad to send my address if it would be inappropriate for you to give me theirs, or we will be glad to do whatever you suggest ... what an amazing thing this is ... you are a wonder!! Can' wait to hear from you and to take the next step!

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 28/08/2005 10:20:37
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When I did not have any success with finding descendants of the Nøstbrettingen siblings I went one generation further back and made some research on Oline Pedersdatter Haugen's siblings. I have found her younger brother Johan Petter Pedersen Halvei's family very interesting, as he had the same name as the late husband of my mother's aunt. It turned out to be his grandfather. I have pictures of Johan Petter and his wife Ingeborg Anna, and some of their descendants. I also looks as if you might have some more family living in the USA.

If you have solved the problems with your e-mail account I can send you some info by e-mail.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 28/08/2005 21:12:24
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I am not aware that I have a problem with my email account? Have you tried to send something and not been able to? If you have experienced a problem of some sort, please let me know exactly what and I'll report it right away. I haven't had anyone else report a problem so have no idea what it could be.
If by chance you are referring to whether pictures arrive inside an email or as an attachment, that is controlled by the software on your end, and all of the pictures you have sent recently as attachments have come through just fine. Let me know, I'll do anything necessary as we are eagerly looking forward to your excellent findings!!

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 30/08/2005 06:55:43
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Hei Børge,
Got the great info on Johan Petter's family, and thanks so much!! Is this the info that Andreas referred to having? Or is this different information?

"*Johan Petter Pedersen Halvei b. Feb. 13 - 1836, d. Nov. 3 - 1914 m. Sept. 8 - 1861 to Ingeborg Anna Skogen Halvei b. Feb. 6 - 1845, d. May 18 - 1920 (I have more info on the descendants of Johan Petter and Inger Anna)
*Ane Pedersdatter Hjelmen Haugen b. Apr. 8 - 1820, d. Mar. 28 - 1908 m. June 18 - 1844 to Kristoffer Pedersen Storaunet (I have more info on the descendants of Ane and Kristoffer)"

I have spent the past couple hours trying to pursue John & Karoline, Arne and Ida after they arrived in the US with no luck yet, will start again tomorrow from a different angle. Arne and Ida would be my father's first cousins, and John would be Oline's nephew. I am wondering if she knew that he emigrated with his family to Minnesota just a couple years before she died.
I have never heard anyone in my family speak of any relatives named "Mule". There was a relative of my grandfather's named John who stayed with us a couple times in his older years, but I don't know now if that may have been his brother John, or if it could have been this John, who would have been his first cousin.
Anyway, it's a great find of information and I'll be posting it on the family website tomorrow for everyone! Thanks again for your great kindness!

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 30/08/2005 12:20:00
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John Iversen Mule and Karolina emigrated in 1910 to Virginia, Minn. with their son Arne Ivers.
Mule b. 1906 and daugther Ida A. Ivers. Mule b. 1909.

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Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 01/09/2005 00:55:19
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I know, I am checking both ... and different spellings, ... and all the other tricks that the good folks on this forum have taught me ... no luck yet but the search is young! Thanks for all your good help!

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 01/09/2005 08:38:23
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I did a search at ancestry and got a hit on Arne Iverson b. 1906, but I am not a subscriber so I could not follow the link.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 02/09/2005 08:11:36
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Can you tell me what other data you entered to find Arne Iverson? The only Arne Iverson b. 1906 I was able to find the other night was from Denmark, a lodger, listed together with an Oswald Iverson b. 1900, also from Denmark. I exhausted every possible angle I could think of on Ancestry.com without finding anything for any of the 4 members of that family. I am now pursuing from other angles. I did find 5 Karoline Johnson in the Minnesota death index ... but no Karoline Iverson. We're certain that the Johnson marriage for her was not the correct one? Found 5 Caroline Iverson in death index, but no clues as to whether any of them might be the right one yet ... am going to keep searching! There may be something in the new info you sent me today that will help, I haven't had a chance to integrate it yet ... Thanks for looking!!

Reply author: Borge
Replied on: 02/09/2005 09:51:37
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He was listed as Ivers. in the emigration records at Digitalarkivet, and I find him as Jon Ivarson in the 1900 census.

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 19/03/2012 16:45:17
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Have one member of this family, the oldest son, Johan August, that we are still searching for an immigration record of, and actually still have not been unable to identify in records with certainty after his immigration to the US. We do have a family photo with him in it, taken around 1897-1900 in Minnesota with his brothers, sisters and mother, so we know that he did emigrate, but are unable to find the record in the Norway Church records or the Ships records. Any suggestions or pointers that anyone might be able to offer would be much appreciated.
Thank you, Carra Johnson Callies

1-Peder JOHNSON (abt 1828-1885)
+Olina (Oline) PEDERSDATTER (Dec 15, 1833-Jan 8, 1912)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Methe Maria PEDERSDATTER (1856-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Ole SVE (1855-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Julie Paulina PEDERSDATTER (abt 1858-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Paul A KRAGNES (1855-Jan 16, 1927)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Johan August PEDERSON (abt 1859-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Olina Margrethe (Lena) PEDERSDATTER (1862-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Anders STUBSVE (1858-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Karen Martha PEDERSDATTER (Sep 1864-1909)
. . . . . . . . . . +Ole A KRAGNES (Apr 23, 1858-1915)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Benhard JOHNSON (Mar 1869-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Kaia M ECKMAN (Sep 1860-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Peder Odin (Peter) JOHNSON (Sep 19, 1871-Mar 12, 1950)
. . . . . . . . . . +Julia Eliza LANDRO (Sep 28, 1884-Sep 28, 1947)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Emelia ("Emelie") JOHNSON (1873-Jun 8, 1913)
. . . . . . . . . . +Ole LANDRO (-)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Ovedia JOHNSON (1875-)
. . . . . . . . . . +Lars H ROSTVOLD (abt 1858-Jan 31, 1931)
. . . . . . . . . . 2-Martin Ole JOHNSON (Oct 2, 1877-Mar 19, 1963)
. . . . . . . . . . +Petra MIKKELSON (Mar 17, 1883-Apr 29, 1918)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-Norton Orvis JOHNSON (Apr 3, 1911-Dec 25, 1968)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . +Mary Frances WINTER (Feb 15, 1924-1976)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4-Carra Louise JOHNSON (Dec 15, 1946-)

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 19/03/2012 17:46:38
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Perhaps a story was published concerning their reunion that the picture represents?

The Chronicling America newspaper database has a number of Minneapolis and St. Paul papers for the 1880s and 1890s at their site. Just Google Chronicling America and Google will find it.

Also generally what surname have you found other family using?

Good Luck

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 19/03/2012 21:56:09
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Well there is no shortage of candidates. Ancestry.com gives 22 Johan Pederson or Pedersen born 1859 +/- 2 and arriving between 1880 and 1900. Can you narrow down the date of arrival somewhat? Have you used Ancestry.com as one or your sources.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 19/03/2012 22:42:18
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Here is a candidate leaving from Trondheim in 1880 named Johan A Peters. age 21 which would put his birth year at 1859.

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=16&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=20829&merk=20829#ovre

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/03/2012 00:07:21
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Provided he never left Michigan, except for a brief visit,,,,:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22johan%20a%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Apederson~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Anorway~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1859-1859&collection_id=1675357

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 20/03/2012 02:00:06
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Thanks so much folks ...
The family was all very poor, and have found little in even the local newspapers except their marriages/births/deaths.
Johan A Peters. leaving Trondheim in 1880 is a good candidate ... from the right place, right age, and we believe (but have no proof to back it up) that he emigrated first before the rest, which makes 1880 a good year.
The rest of the family all went by the name of Johnson once they arrived, seems odd that he would have been the lone one to go by Peterson, but possible.
A couple of them emigrated with the last name of Nost, the farm name.
Yes, I have subscription access to Ancestry.com (happy to look things up if you need them!) and have spent hours looking at possible candidates. As you note, there are a vast number of candidates! But have never yet found a good trail.
Johan August was 6 years old in the 1865 Census, one of 5 children at that point ...
Any further thoughts, even long-shots, please holler, I'll follow up on them!
Thanks for your input so far ... Carra

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/03/2012 02:34:18
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Here is a John A Peterson in www.findagrave.com:

www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=peterson&GSfn=john&GSby=1859&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=18749610&df=all&" target="_blank">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=peterson&GSfn=john&GSby=1859&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=18749610&df=all&

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/03/2012 02:47:19
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Here is Johan August Pederson baptism, #118. He was born on 20 July 1860:

Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Stadsbygd, Parish register (official) nr. 646A10 (1858-1869), Birth and baptism records 1860, page 37.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2383&idx_id=2383&uid=ny&idx_side=-41

Having the exact date of birth might help to weed out potential John / Johan Pederson / Peterson or Johnson or Nost or even Varket manually from 1900 census listings. Odds are pretty good he was alive then because of the date on the picture.

If you want to check, the Minnesota Historical society has on their page www.mnhs.org a photographer's database and if it was a studio picture it might help narrow dates based on the commercial operation of the photographer.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 20/03/2012 04:03:17
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I think this is the arrival record for the Johan A Peters. listed above leaving from Trondheim. The birth year is off but looking at the other passengers on this page I think that this is the right person. It is from Ancestry.com so you can look it up.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: J A Peterson
Arrival Date: 18 Jun 1880
Birth Year: abt 1841
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: State of Florida

Reply author: carraj
Replied on: 20/03/2012 17:25:33
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THIS IS HIM!! THANK YOU!! Thank you all for your efforts! I will follow up on all of the rest of these leads today and appreciate your time and generousity very much!

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Here is Johan August Pederson baptism, #118. He was born on 20 July 1860:
Source information: Sør-Trøndelag county, Stadsbygd, Parish register (official) nr. 646A10 (1858-1869), Birth and baptism records 1860, page 37.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2383&idx_id=2383&uid=ny&idx_side=-41

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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 20/03/2012 17:48:59
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The witnesses (Godparents) were:
Peder Evensen, Rein,
Ole Evensen, Hæglie,
Skræder (Tailor) E Eriksen,
Ragnild Pedersdatter, Hegge and
Karen Johnsdatter, Rein.

Norway Heritage Community : http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/