Looking for ship Great Grandmother came over on
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Topic author: TLarson
Subject: Looking for ship Great Grandmother came over on
Posted on: 02/03/2006 00:08:22
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I'm looking for the ship that my great granmother came over on. Her name was Martha Ensrud when she came and I believe she came in about 1903 or shortly after.
I would appreciate any help that anyone can give me!
Thanks!
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Reply author: Jo Anne Sadler
Replied on: 02/03/2006 01:15:47
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No record of her on the ellisisland.org database. You should find her first in the online emigration records on Digitalarkivet:
Emigration Records
If you know the area in Norway she came from, you can narrow down your search. Her name could have been different, Marthe/Marti and she could have been using her patronomymic name.
Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 02/03/2006 03:35:10
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It is hard to make an identification without knowing Martha Enrud's age and martial status when she emigrated from Norway.
In the database of emigrants leaving from the port of Oslo/Kristiania there is a Martha P. Ensrud leaving on or about 9 Nov 1904 -
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=148625&sokefelt=skjul
Does she match your Martha?
The family living on one of the Ensrud farms in Gran district of Oppland, Norway in the 1900 census -
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00534&gardpostnr=63&sokefelt=skjul
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 02/03/2006 14:32:07
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Marthe Pedersen Enserud (21) from "Graw", arriving Ellis Island on Nov 26, 1904, sailing from Liverpool Nov 16, 1904, with the ship SS Baltic (2) from White Star Line. Maiden voyage Liverpool - New York on June 29,1904.
"Graw" is misspelling for Gran, Oppland.
She is going to cousin Hans Fredriksen in Watson, Minnesota.
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 02/03/2006 16:42:44
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The Ensrud farm could very well be my great-grandmothers farm because she had a brother named Anders and a sister named Marie, but I really have no idea as to what her parents names were, I do however have a picture of her sister Marie standing by a gravestone with the name Ingeborg Ensrud on it, this could possibly be her mother. I know she was born in 1884 in Gran. When she came she was not married and I'm not sure if she went to South Dakota or Minnesota first. So the Martha leaving in 1904 could very possibly be the correct Martha because I'm actually not sure as to whether she came in 1903 or 1904.
Thanks for this help, if the other info I've added brings up any ideas to find anything else I would greatly appreciate the help!
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 02/03/2006 17:43:34
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Hi,
I don't think there's any doubt that this is the correct Marthe/Martha.
Here is her christening record. She is born 05-Sep-1883, christened 18-Nov-1883.
Parents are Peder Olsen (b.1837) & Karen Olsdatter (b.1847)
Godmother Marte Fredriksdatter could be her cousin, a possible sister to cousin Hans Fredriksen in Watson, Minnesota.
This Ingeborg Hansdatter Ensrud looks to be the Ingeborg you're talking about, but I can't see any immediate relation to Marthe, except for the fact that they are neighbours and living on the same Ensrud farm...
Jan Peter
Reply author: Jo Anne Sadler
Replied on: 02/03/2006 18:36:25
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There is alot of info on this site about the White Star Line and also an article about the maiden voyage of the Baltic:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_shiplist.asp?co=white
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 02/03/2006 23:01:22
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I'm quite sure that this is probably my great-grandmother, but the only doubt i have is because the gravemarker by her grave says that she was born in 1884 and the records I have say that she was born on Sept. 5, 1884. Otherwise it looks very promising that it is my great-grandmother. I'll have to ask my grandmother about this also, even though she doesn't know that much about her mothers life in Norway. I also know that my great-grandmothers mother's maiden name was Melaas and I do see that name on the christening record.
Thanks for all your help so far, this is just great!
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 03/03/2006 09:34:20
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The Godfather (and farmer) Hans Olsen from Melaas farm i Lunner parish (Jevnaker, Oppland) is probably Marthe's uncle (Karin Olsdatter's brother)
Karen Olsdatter, christening: 07 FEB 1847, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway
Parents: Ole Hansen & Marte Olsdatter Click here
Hans Olsen, christening: 19 FEB 1837, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway
Parents: Ole Hansen & Marthe Olsdatter Click here
So Marthe looks to be named after her grandmother.
Here they are in census 1865 on the Melaas farm in Jevnaker. Ole Hansen is a widower.
Karen have a sister named Ingeborg, born ca 1842. Could she be the one on the gravestone? She would be Marie and Marthe's aunt...
The distance between Melås farm in Lunner and Ensrud farm in Gran is only 6 km (4 miles).
Lunner was earlier a part of Jevnaker, but is since 1906 an own muncipality and parish.
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 14/03/2006 16:36:03
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I just recently found out that there were seven children in my great-granmother's family when i thought there were only three. apparently there were three boys who died young and there was another sister who apparently came to America before my great-grandmother (Martha Ensrud), I believe she died in America, but where she went I don't know. I was wondering if it would be possible to find this other sister in any of the old Norway censuses. I don't know what her name was but I thought maybe she could be found on the family list of the farm where my great-grandmother lived before she came to America. I don't know if finding this information is possilble, but any help would be greatly appreciated!
-Tim Larson
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/03/2006 18:37:04
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From the databases "christened in Gran 1875-1899"
Ole, born 1875, parents Peder Olsen Ensrud & girl Karen Olsdtr Ensrud. Her (Karen) first illegitimate child, his second illegitimate child. Peder also have a child with one Marthe Johannesdatter Brokerud from Jevnaker.
Anders, christened 23-jul-1876. Legitimate child, so Peder & Karen must have married 1875-1876.
Ole, born 13-jan-1881, christened 27-feb-1881
Marte, born 05-sep-1883, christened 18-nov-1883
Anne Marie, born 24-jun-1885, christened 08-nov-1885
Ingeborg, born 28-feb-1889, christened 14-apr-1889
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 16/03/2006 06:38:28
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Thanks for that information, but I'm a little bit confused. Are Ole, Anders, Ole, Marte, Anne Marie, and Ingeborg the only children that Peder and Karen had besides the child Peder had with this Marthe Johannesdatter Broderud? Does the Karen Olsdtr Ensrud refer to Peder's wife Karen? And can any information be found about this Marthe Johannesdatter Brokerud? One more question, Is there any way to find the marriage record information for Peder and Karen? Thank you so much for your help!
- Tim Larson
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 16/03/2006 09:44:06
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Hi,
I'm not saying that this 6 children are the only children Peder & Karen had, but they are the only ones christened in Gran parish between 1875-1907, as far as I could see, at least...
The databases are available for online search for free at Digitalarkivet
And since the parents lived at Ensrud farm in 1875 when their first child Ole was born, and still lived there in 1900, it doesn't make sence to christen their child at any other church.
Anders, Marthe & (Anne) Marie lives with their father in census-1900. Ole b.1875 probably died young, since they got a new Ole in 1881. This Ole could also have died young, at least I've not found him in census-1900 for Gran parish. People didn't move much those days, but he could of course have emigrated to the US... Ingeborg born 1889 is not in the census either, but she is a bit too young to have emigrated before 1900 alone...
Yes, Karen Olsdtr Ensrud refers to Peder's wife. She probably lived on the same farm at that time, maybe as a servant or something??? As said earlier, I believe Karen Olsdatter is the same as the girl christened in the neighbouring parish Jevnaker on 07 FEB 1847. Ole b. 1875 is their first child together. As stated in the christening record, it's her first illegitimate child. Marriage records for Gran parish are not available online, but you can view them at a local LDS center.
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 16/03/2006 09:58:38
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This is most likely the girl Peder had his first child with;
Marte Johanesdatter from the farm "Brokerud af Morka" in Jevnaker, Oppland, born ca 1850.
Parents are Johanes Gulbrandsen born ca 1823 and Goro Gulbrandsdatter born ca 1820.
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 16/03/2006 11:12:44
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Hi,
you said you had a picture of Marthe's sister Marie standing by a gravestone with the name Ingeborg Ensrud on it.
This Ingeborg could very well be their younger sister, born 28-feb-1889!
Could the picture be taken at the funeral? By determining Marie's age at the picture, it could give a hint of when Ingeborg died. Marie is 4 years older than Ingeborg. Is the picture taken in Norway?
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 16/03/2006 11:38:07
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They married in Oslo!
Names fit, both ages fit, his father fit, her father fit... 
Marriage: 31 DEC 1875 Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Peder Olsen, birth 1837, father Ole Halvorsen
Karen Olsdatter, birth 1847, father Ole Hansen Link
Since they both had illegitimate childs, it could very well be that the local priest in Gran denied to marry them! The distance from the Ensrud farm to the Trefoldighet church in the centre of Oslo is 70 km. Today it will take you 1hr by car, in those days probably 3-4 hrs by horse and wagon...
PEDER OLSEN
Christening: 21 APR 1837 Gran, Oppland, Norway
Parents: OLE HALVORSEN & ANNE LARSDR Link
Census-1865 with Peder, his sister Randi, and their mother widow Anne Larsdatter: Link
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 16/03/2006 11:51:18
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Child #7
NN OLSEN
Male
Birth: 01 APR 1879 Gran, Oppland, Norway
Death: 01 APR 1879
Parents:
Father: PEDER OLSEN
Mother: KAREN OLSDR Link
1875: Ole
1876: Anders
1879: NN (male)
1881: Ole
1883: Marte
1885: Anne Marie
1889: Ingeborg
.........
Most likely Peder's illegitimate child with Marthe Johannesdatter Brokerud:
Ole Pedersen
Christening: 24 NOV 1872, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway
Parents: Peder Olsen & Marte Johannesdatter Link
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 16/03/2006 16:31:53
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Wow lots of info! Thanks so much!
The picture I have of Marie by Ingeborgs gravestone was probably taken quite sometime after Ingeborgs death as Marie looks much older, and from what I can tell it says that she (Ingeborg) died in 1924, but the picture is small and dates are hard to read. But my mom and I both agreed that the date of birth was February 28! We weren't sure on the year thought maybe 1854 but if the records say 1889 then it must be that. Also the gravestone says Ingeborg P Ensrud so that would make Peder her father and that would make her Martha's sister so it would be the Ingeborg that you found as a child to Peder and Karen! Also you asked if the picure was taken in Norway, Yes I'm very positve that it was taken there as the words on the stone are in Norwegian and I don't think Marie ever came to America so it would have to be taken in Norway. Thanks so much Jan Peter! You've helped me find so much info I never thought I could find! One other thing I was wondering is, does the NN for the seventh childen indicate no name? I would guess it was born dead or died shortly after birth.
-Tim Larson
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 16/03/2006 17:06:09
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From the churchbook "Dead in Gran, Oppland 1924":
Dead 26-june-1924, burried 5-july-1924
ug husbestyrerinne (unmarried housekeeper) Ingeborg Pedersdr Ensrud
Born 1889-2-28
Address: Ensrud
Cause of death: Nyresykdom (kidney disease).
Note: Døde på Rikshospitalet etter operasjon. Died at Rikshospitalet hospital in Oslo after operation/surgery.
#8 (Kvindekjøn/females) here: Link
Yes, NN is for no name, and was something I wrote, cause the link at Familysearch didn't indicate any first name. The child died at the day of birth, so it was probably not given any christian name.
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 18/03/2006 07:32:41
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Hello again I just found the information below:
36-4 Hans F. Kolkind Montevideo MN
Born: October 4, 1863 in Gran. Emigration: In 1882, aboard the "Hanoverian." Residences: Chippewa County MN. Occupation: Farmer Church: The United Norwegian Lutheran Church. Married: Kjersti G Schjeager on March 4, 1900. She died on December 17, 1913. Children: Fredrik H. Kolkind, May 21, 1901. Parents: Farmer Fredrik H. Kolkind and Mari O. Ensrud. Siblings: Marthe F Berg, Gran; Bertha F Kolkind, Rudser ND; Mrs. Anne Hilden (deceased). Paternal Grandparents: Hans and Berte Morstad Maternal Grandparents: Ole Snellingen and Anne Ensrud. Father's Siblings: Painter Peder H Morstad; Jørgine Ødegaarden, Lunner; Mari Gippe, Chippewa County MN. Mother's Siblings: Peder O Ensrud, Mrs. H. Melaas, and Mrs. Lyngstad (half-sister).
This Hans F. Kolkind looks I would assume is the Hans Fredricksen that Martha was coming to when she came to America. Montevideo is not far from Watson,MN. And The Peder O Ensrud who is a brother to Hans's mother would make Hans a cousin to Martha assuming that it is her father Peder O Ensrud. This helps me to figure out a lot of info on other cousins that my great-grandmother had in this country if someone could verify the information on Hans's mother's siblings with the family listed in the Norwegian census I would greatly appreciate it! Just to make sure that the Peder O Ensrud-father to Martha had a sister named Mari!
-Tim Larson
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/03/2006 10:44:25
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There is no need to "assume" anything anymore, didn't you see the burial of Ingeborg above??
And here is Peder O. Ensrud's sister Mari Olsdatter's christening record:
Mari, christening: 11 NOV 1832, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway
Parents: Ole Halvorsen & Anne Larsdatter Link
(Ie. Ole Halvorsen Snellingen and Anne Larsdatter Ensrud)
Same parents as Peder...
Here they are on the Kolkind farm in Gran in census-1865.
Hans' christening record
Mari & Peder's sister Randi looks to be one of the Godfathers.
Siblings to Hans (from the database christened in Gran 1856 - 1874):
Birthe b. 23-APR-1857 (=Bertha F Kolkind)
Anne b. 06-NOV-1859 (=Mrs. Anne Hilden)
Marthe b. 06-JUL-1867 (=Marthe F Berg, Gran)
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/03/2006 11:23:51
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Mari Olsdatter Ensrud was christened on 11-NOV-1832 Link
Peder Olsen Ensrud is born 14-APR-1837 Link
Randi Olsdatter Ensrud is born 06-JUL-1840 Link
But who are Mrs. H. Melaas, and Mrs. Lyngstad (half-sister)? 
Randi is not a half-sister, so could she be Mrs. H. Melaas? Maybe it reads Mrs. R. Melaas?
Here is Randi Olsdatter, born 1840 in Gran, living on Melaas farm in Lunner, Oppland in census-1900! Lunner is neighbouring parish to Gran. Link
Marthe's sister Ingeborg/Ingebør (28-FEB-1889 - 26-JUN-1924) is living there! Randi is her aunt. Position in family reads "søsterdatter" (Sister-daughter), but it should say Brother-daughter, because she's the daughter of Randi's brother, not sister. Here last name Pedersdatter is ok.
To find Mrs. Lyngstad looks to be more of a challenge, since we don't know her first name or age.
There are people named Lyngstad living in Gran in census-1900, but there are also farms by that name in Gran.
And without knowing her first name, it's a challenge... :-)
She could be a Olsdatter in the census, if Ole Halvorsen is her father. But she could also be anyhing else, if her mother was Anne Larsdatter, and father is (so far) unknown.
Christened in Jevnaker, with father = Ole Halvorsen or mother = Anne Larsdatter:
Marte, christening: 23 JUN 1833, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway. Parents: Ole Halvorsen & Guri Christiansdatter
Tolline, christening: 25 APR 1834, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway. Parents: Ole Halvorsen & Lisbet Hansdatter
Maren, christening: 17 NOV 1836, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway. Parents: Anders Gundersen & Anne Larsdatter
Both Marte & Tolline have siblings, so they are "out"... Could not find any siblings to Maren, but I dont believe she would be the right one. If so, Anne Larsdatter would be unfaithful, which was very uncommon those days. I believe this half-sister would be born before marriage, ie. older than Mari born 1832. The records for Jevnaker at Familysearch.org starts with 1832, so she would not be there if she's born in Jevnaker...
There's no illegitimate girl in the database Christened i Gran 1824 - 1842 with father Ole Halvorsen or mother Anne Larsdatter, so my guess is that this Mrs. Lyngstad is born around 1830 in Jevnaker...
Snellingen is a farm in Jevnaker, and it's probably Ole's brother Peder Halvorsen Snellingen who lives on the Snellingen farm in census-1865: Click here Peder is born ca 1790.
Since there is no trace on any illegitimate girl of Anne Larsdatter among christening records in Gran, it looks like Mrs. Lyngstad could be a daughter of Ole Halvorsen Snellingen, and born in Jevnaker before 1832...
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/03/2006 13:56:10
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Ole Halvorsen (b. ca 1796) & brother Peder Halvorsen (b. ca 1793) on the Snellingen farm in census-1801: Link
Parents are Halvor Olsen (b. ca 1759) & Mari Pedersdatter (b. ca 1763)
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/03/2006 14:05:15
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Looking at Marthe's christening record once more, some of the Godfathers makes more sence...
Girl Marte Fredriksdatter is the sister to Hans Fredriksen Kolkind. She lived at the farm Flaagen in 1883. Cousin to Marthe.
Farmer Hans Olsen Melaas is Randi's husband. Uncle to Marthe.
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/03/2006 15:07:33
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Mrs. Lyngstad's name is Johanne!
And she's married to Hans Andersen Lyngstad.
Here is the christening record of their daughter Johanne Maria, born 10-JAN-1863. Aunt Randi Olsdatter Ensrud (Melaas) is again one of the Godfathers...
The reason I found this, is that I saw that Anders Hansen Lyngstad was one of the Godfathers at Hans Fredriksen's christening...
Here they are at the Lyngstad farm in Gran in census-1865
Johanne is born ca 1824 in Jevnaker! But there is a mismatch between the census and the christening record, in the census she is named Pedersdatter.
They have 10 children christened in Gran 1842-1874, and she's named Pedersdatter in 9 of the records, and named Olsdatter when Johanne Maria is born.
Hans Andersen & Johanne married in Gran 20-JUN-1969. Link
Something is strange about the marriage date. I find it strange that they married after having 9 children... Marthea is born 25-DEC-1857 and christened 02-MAY-1869, 12 years old...? And census-1865 says they're married.. And when Anders is born in 1848, he is a legitimate child..
Children;
Anders b. 07-DEC-1848
Anne b. 01-OCT-1850
Peder 10-MAY-1853
Elina b. 19-SEP-1855
Marthea b. 25-DEC-1857
Lise b. 31-MAY-1860
Johanne Maria b. 10-JAN-1863
Julius b. 14-OCT-1865
Olaf b. 02-AUG-1868
Martinius b. 17-SEP-1872
Being a Olsdatter, Johanne Lyngstad's father would probably be Ole Halvorsen Snellingen.
Being a Pedersdatter, Johanne Lyngstad's mother would probably be Anne Larsdatter Ensrud...
Hmmm... where's the missing link between Mrs. Johanne Lyngstad and Peder Olsen Ensrud...? To solve this "mystery" you need to either a) look up her wedding record with Hans Andersen or b) look up Johanne's christening record from Jevnaker, Oppland ca 1824...
There is a record of one Hans Andersen & Johanne Pedersdatter getting married in Gran on 13-JUN-1848 Link
That could be them...
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 18/03/2006 17:10:12
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Thanks so much Jan for all your help in finding this info about my great-grandmother's family! I appreciate it very much. Everything just kind of ties together when you find a lot of info!
Thanks again!
-Tim Larson
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 21/03/2006 16:19:47
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Hello again
I am wondering if any information could be found on Mrs. Anne Hilden who was a sister to Hans Kolkind. I know she is listed as deceased on the information I found for Hans so I don't know if anything can be found or not. I know that my great-grandmother had cousins who were referred to as the Hilden sisters, so apparently Anne had daughters. But I really don't know much about them.
-Tim Larson
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 22/03/2006 06:12:51
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Hi,
I was just looking through a box of old pictures and found an obituary for Anne Hilden, it reads as follows:
Mrs. Andrew H Hilden died at her home, near Watson, last Saturday, Jan. 14, having been ill only a couple of days. She attended a meeting of the Ladies' Aid society the Thursday before she died; but was seized with pneumonia the evening of the same day. Her general health, however, had been poorly for the last ten years. Mrs. Hilden, whose maiden name was Miss Anna Kolkjen, was born in Norway November 6, 1860. She came to America with her parents in 1872. In 1881, she was married to Andrew H. Hilden. Her husband and nine children survive her.
The funeral took place Wednesday, Jan. 18 at 2 p. m. at the United Lutheran Church, where Rev. Mr. Syrdal preached the funeral sermon. The church was appropriately decorated for the occasion, and there was a profusion of floral offerings. Seldom has there been a larger audience present at a funeral in the Watson church.
Mrs. Hilden was an exceptionally good woman, loved by her family and highly estimed by neighbors and friends.
If the above information sparks any ideas I would appreciate any help!
-Tim Larson
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 22/03/2006 06:27:08
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Hello again,
I just found a picture that was taken at Peter Lyngstad's funeral in Aberdeen, South Dakota in 1944. Would that be the Peter (Peder) who was a son to Hans and Johanne?
-Tim Larson
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 22/03/2006 09:27:28
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Hi,
Aberdeen is in Brown county, so I would guess your Peter Lyngstad is this one:
Peter A. Lyngstad, born ca 1886. (see records from Ancestry.com below)
That means he can not be this Peder who lives on the Lyngstad farm in Gran in census-1865.
You should take into consideration that it's not 100% confirmed that Johanne is the same as this half-sister Mrs. Lyngstad, since you don't know this Johanne's parents yet...
But Mrs. Lyngstad should be originating/married with someone from this Lyngstad farm(s) in Gran, Oppland. You don't know here age, husband, children or something? Could this Peter be her husband or child?
From Ancestry.com:
Name: Peter A Lyngstad
Birth: abt 1886 - location
Residence: <city>, Hennepin, Minnesota
1920 United States Federal Census Record Census
Name: Peter A Lyngstad
Residence: <city>, Hennepin, Minnesota
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record
Name: Peter A Lyngstad
Birth: abt 1885
Residence: <city>, Brown county, South Dakota
1930 United States Federal Census Record Census
Name: Peter Lyngstad
Death: dd mm 1944 - Brown county, South Dakota
South Dakota Death Index, 1905-1955 Record
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 22/03/2006 10:00:59
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Hi again,
Ole Peter Andersen Lyngstad (18) from Gran, emigrating to Minnesota on 3rd of July, 1903: Link
From the Christening records in Gran 1880 - 1888:
Ole Peter, born 11-mar-1885, christened 05-apr-1885
Parents: Anders Hansen Lyngstad b. 1849 and Else Larsdatter b. 1856 Link
Here is his mother Else, siblings Anna b.1887, Hans b. 1879 and Ingeborg b. 1877 on the Lyngstad farm in Gran in census-1900. Else/Elise is a widow, so husband Anders Hansen Lyngstad is dead.
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 22/03/2006 10:37:20
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Marriage: 07 DEC 1877, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway:
Anders Hansen, his father: HANS ANDERSEN
Else Larsdatter, her father: LARS ANDERSEN Link
Same records at Digitalarkivet, Married in Jevnaker 1877 - 1890:
Anders Hansen (29), residence "Lyngstad in Gran", born "Ensrud in Gran" on 07-DEC-1848
bride girl Else Larsdatter, residence Kjørven, born Korsrudbakken on 11-sep-1855 Link
Anders Hansen, born 07 DEC 1848, christening: 25 DEC 1848, Gran, Oppland, Norway
Parents: HANS ANDERSEN ENSRUD & JOHANNE PEDERSDATTER Link1 Link2
Else Larsdatter, christening: 23 SEP 1855, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway
Parents: LARS ANDERSEN & INGEBOR HANSDATTER Link
So this Johanne in previous postings is Peter A. Lyngstad's Paternal grandmother! But is she this Mrs. Lyngstad you're looking for?
Anna Elise Lyngstad (18) from Gran, emigrating to Minnesota on a prepaid ticket on 24-AUG-1906. Ticket paid by brother Peter A. Lyngstad?
Anna Elise is born on 30-sep-1887.
Jan Peter
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 22/03/2006 13:13:58
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With regards to Mrs Anne Hilden, what are you looking for there?
This looks to be Anne Fredriksen (Hilden) in the US 1880-census: Digitalarkivet Familysearch
There are some Hildens in her neighborhood (of Tunsburg, Chippewa, Minnesota), even one living in the same household. Maybe this widow G. Dorthea HILDEN is her future mother-in-law? 
A lot of Hildens are listed on the Hadeland Lag Member List 1910 - 1989 Hadelandlag.org
Hadeland is the name of the bigger area Gran is located in.
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 22/03/2006 16:24:37
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Hello
As far as information on Mrs. Anne Hilden I am wondering when she was born and when she died. Also I would like to find out the names of her nine children. As her obituary says she had nine children. Also I'm wondering if it can be found what date she was married on and where.
-Tim Larson
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 22/03/2006 17:04:50
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Anne's birthdate + year is given in two previous postings here. From the christening records in Gran, the year = 1859, you had 1860.
When it comes to the names of her children, marriage year, death year etc, I believe you should be able to continue yourself. She emigrated as a child, so all this info should be in the US.
It looks like she went to Tunsburg, Chippewa county, Minnesota, so you should start by looking there.
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 31/03/2006 01:33:48
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Hello again,
I just got the death certificate for my great-grandmother, Martha Julseth. And for here parents names it has Peder Ensrud and Marie Melaas. But the information that was found for me said that Martha's mother's name was Karen .
So not sure if it's wrong on the death certificate or what.
Tim
Reply author: Jo Anne Sadler
Replied on: 31/03/2006 04:01:33
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Death certificates are second hand information given in times of stress and aren't always accurate. Women generally went by more than one name/nickname/middle name in their lives and this could be the case here.
This string is getting rather long and full of alot of information on many different people. Without reading through all this information, do you have Martha marriage records, including civil and church?
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 31/03/2006 10:40:45
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Hi Tim,
this is about Martha Ensrud, not Julseth isn't it?
There's no doubt that Martha Ensrud's mother was Karen Olsdatter, christened on 07 FEB 1847, Jevnaker, Oppland, with parents Ole Hansen & Marte Olsdatter, and living on the Melaas farm in Jevnaker in census-1865.
It could be that she was named/christened Karen Marie, but there is no proof of that in any of the records found about her so far.
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 31/03/2006 17:19:05
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Yes the death certificate was for Martha Ensrud. But when she married John Julseth so that would be why it changed. I will stick with the fact that here mother's name was Karen since the records say that.
Tim
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 25/04/2006 17:01:43
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Hello again
I am wondering if it is at all possible to find out when Martha's sister Marie died in Norway. I have found letters that she sent to Martha still in 1969 so she would have died some time in the 1970s. I don't know how you would figure out that information. Also I am wondering if it can be found as to when Martha's brother Anders passed away. We have no living relatives on that side of the family living in Norway as far as I know. So I don't know who to ask about this info. Any help would be appreciated!
Tim
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 25/04/2006 17:03:19
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Hello again
I am wondering if it is at all possible to find out when Martha's sister Marie died in Norway. I have found letters that she sent to Martha still in 1969 so she would have died some time in the 1970s. I don't know how you would figure out that information. Also I am wondering if it can be found as to when Martha's brother Anders passed away. We have no living relatives on that side of the family living in Norway as far as I know. So I don't know who to ask about this info. Any help would be appreciated!
Tim
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 25/04/2006 19:25:56
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Hi,
are you sure about no living relatives in the area?
There are still Ensrud's living on the Ensrud farm in Gran as of today, according to the norwegian phonebook: Click here
Give them a call or write a letter, they should at least know someone you could direct your questions to...
The norwegian land register from 1950, Ensrud farm (landnumber 242), Gran, Oppland:
Titleno. 1, Ensrud, owner: Olaf H. Ensrud and Marie Ensrud
Titleno. 2, Ensrud, owner: Anne Ensrud
Titleno. 3, Berget, owner: Charles K. Berg
Titleno. 4, Ensrud, owner: Kaare Johannessen
Titleno. 5, Kruggerud, owner: Erik H. Smedsrud
Titleno. 6, Ensrud, owner: Paul T. Ensrud
Titleno. 7, Kruggerud, owner: Ingel B. Kruggerud
Titleno. 8, Brokerudhagen, owner: Lars Larsen Brokerudhagen d. y.
Titleno. 9, Ensrudmyren, owner: Peder Martinsen Myhra
Titleno. 10, Berg, owner: Paul T. Ensrud
Titleno. 11, Berg, owner: Anders Pedersen
Titleno. 12, Kuroa, owner: Egil B. Gundersen
Titleno. 13, Tusserud, owner: Einar Fjoran
Anders Pedersen on the small holding Berg could be Maries brother.
Jan Peter
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 26/04/2006 16:21:01
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Hello
Thanks for this info, nice to know there might still be some relatives living in Norway. This might seem like a dumb question, but I've never sent a letter to someone in a foreign country so what are the addresses for these people and how exactly do I go about sending a letter to them. Thanks!
Tim
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 26/04/2006 18:32:00
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Tim,
I found some email addresses which could be interesting
I'll send them to you by mail.
Jan Peter
Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 26/04/2006 20:38:49
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And any US post office can help you with appropriate postage for "snail mail" to foreign destinations.
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 27/04/2006 16:57:58
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would it be at all possible to find the death certificate for Martha's sister Marie? or don't they keep records of that the same way in Norway as in America?
Tim
Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 28/04/2006 00:18:52
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Certificate? No, but -- Did you order the microfilms of those parish records for this area? Have you started working in that information??
But this thread is SO LONG and disjointed that I couldn't see that you seem to indicate that she was still alive in 1969?? -- so no, forget the parish records for that particular bit of information! I've had to edit my response here.
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 27/08/2007 02:28:20
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Hello again!
This past spring I found some relatives my great grandmothers side that this thread is all based on. They are from Norway and sent me a family tree. I want to figure out what happened to one of them. Her name is Ingeborg Melaas born 1843, all the info on her they had for me was that she went to America and married a neighbor from Norway, his surname was Kraggerud. Another sister to Ingeborg was Kari Melaas and she came to America as well and married Lars Flyom I know they lived in Brandon, MN but don't know what really happened to them. Ingeborg and Kari are both sisters to Karen Melaas Ensrud. Any help would be great!
Reply author: Lislcat
Replied on: 27/08/2007 04:19:42
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Hello,
I found who I believe to be Lars and Ingeborg Flom in Warsaw, Goodhue County, Minnesota in the 1880 Us Census.
Flom, Lars, 52 years, farmer, born Norway
Flom, Ingeborg, 42 years, keeping house, born Norway,
Flom, Christine, 18 years, daughter, at home, born Norway
Flom, Anders, 15 years, son, born Norway
Flom, Alls or Atle(?), 13 years, son, born Norway
Flom, Johannes, 11 years, son, born Minnesota
Flom, Margaret, 6 years, daughter, born Minnesota
Flom, Tostus, 8 years, son, born Minnesota
Flom, Louise, 4 years, daughter, born Minnesota
Flom, Iver O., 1/12 years, son, born Minnesota
1900 US Census -Warsaw, Goodhue County, Minnesota
Flom, Ingeborg, head, b. March 1838, age 62, widowed, 9 children, 8 living children, born Norway, immigrated in 1867, farmer, number of years in the US - 33 years
Flom, John, son, born May 1869, 31 years, single, born Minnesota, farm labor
Flom, Magretha, daughter, born February 1874, 26 years, born Minnesota
Flom, Louisa E., daughter, born July 1877, 22 years, born Minnesota
Flom, Ivar, son, born May 1880, 20 years, born Minnesota, farm laborer
Flom, Lewis, grandson, born April 1895, 5 years, born Minnesota
1910 US Census- Warsaw, Goodhue County, Minnesota
Flom, Ingeborg, head, 72 years, widowed, 9 children, 7 still living, born Norway, immigrated in 1867, general farm (?)
Flom, Atte, son, 42, widowed, born Norway, farm labor
Flom, Tom, son 38, widowed, born Minnesota, farm labor
Flom, Martin, son, 10, born Minnesota,
Flom, Leurentous (?) grandson, 9 years, born Minnesota (they have it listed as Sementions)
Flom, Louise, Granddaughter, 14 years, born Minnesota
Flom, August, Grandson, 5 years, born Minnesota
Minnesota 1885 State Census
Flom, Lars, 57 years, born Norway
Flom, Ingeborg J, 47 years, born Norway
Flom, Anders, 20 years, born Norway
Flom, Altr, 18 years, born Norway
Flom, Johannes, 16 years, born Minnesota
Flom, Iver O., 5 years, born Minnesota
Flom, Tosten, 13 years, born Minnesota
Flom, Ingeborg M., 11 years. born Minnesota
Flom, Louise(?), 9 years, born Minnesota
Minnesota 1905 State Census
Flom, Ingeborg, 67 years, born Norway, widowed, 38 years in this enumeration district
Flom, Alley, 38 years, born Norway, widowed, 37 years in this enumeration district
Flom, Tusrard (Tosten), 10 years, born Minnesota
Flom, Martin, 6 years, born Minnesota
Flom, Magrets, 30 years, born Minnesota
Minnesota Cemetery Inscriptiion Index
Ingeborg Flom, Leon Township, Goodhue County, Minnesota
Birth date March 13, 1838
Death Date November 29, 1915
Cemetery - Urland
I hope this helps you!
Take care, Wanda
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 27/08/2007 15:36:18
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I'm sorry to say that none of the above information could be correct because Ingeborg didn't marry Lars Flyom, her sister Kari did and there is no Kari for any of the names. Thanks for your help anyways! Kari was born in 1840 and Ingeborg was born in 1843.
Reply author: Lislcat
Replied on: 27/08/2007 16:25:16
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That's okay, I just read that wrong.
Here's the 1885 Minnesota Census for Brandon, Douglas County, Minnesota.
They are listed as Flynn, so let me know if these are the right people.
Flynn, Lars, 52 years, born Norway
Flynn, Kari, 45 years, born Norway
Wanda
Reply author: Lislcat
Replied on: 27/08/2007 16:29:55
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1895 Minnesota State Census for Brandon, Douglas County, Minnesota
Flyum, Lars E., 62, born Norway, resident of the state for 24 years and lived in that enumeration district for 12 years.
Flyum, Kari E., 44, born Norway
Wanda
Reply author: Lislcat
Replied on: 27/08/2007 16:36:55
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1900 US Census - Brandon, Douglas County, Minnesota
Flyum, Lars E., Head, birthdate August 1833, 66 years (?), married 25 years, no children, born Norway, immigrated in 1872, 28 years in the US, farmer
Flyum, Carrie, wife, birthdate February 1844, 56 years, married 25 years, no children, born Norway, immigrated in 1868, 32 years in the US
Wanda
Reply author: Lislcat
Replied on: 27/08/2007 16:43:19
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1910 US Census - Brandon, Douglas County, Minnesota
Now I see why I got the wrong Lars the first time. They have his last name listed wrong in the index for each year on Ancestry, plus they also have Kari's age wrong on this census.
Flyum, Lars E., Head, 76 years, married 35 years, no children, born Norway, immigrated in 1871, naturalized, farmer on a general farm
Flyum, Kari, wife, 70 years, married 35 years, no children, born Norway, immigrated in 1865
Wanda
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 01/10/2007 23:00:32
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I found where Lars and Kari are buried! They are buried in the Brandon Cemetery. Lars lived from 1834-1918 and Karie lived from 1840-1922. I would still like to try and figure out what happened to Kari's sister Ingeborg after she came to America. All I know is that she married someone with the surname Kraggerud from the same part of Norway she came from. Are there any Kraggerud farms near the Melaas farm in Norway?
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 01/10/2007 23:12:43
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Hi,
Kraggerud is in Lunner and Jevnaker parish in Oppland county
Kåre
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 01/10/2007 23:27:10
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Is there just one Kraggerud farm? Is it possible to find out if any of the family members from this farm left for America and when? For that matter is it possible to find out when Ingeborg would have left for America? Her parents were Ole Hansen Melaas 1801-1865, and her mother was Marte Olsdatter Hval 1811-1855. Ingeborg was born in 1843.
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 01/10/2007 23:53:22
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Ingeborg Olsdr age 24, her father widower Ole Hansen Melaas and 4 siblings on Melaas in 1865
Any emigration from Melaas was likely later than 1865.
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 02/10/2007 00:26:47
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I am not sure, but it looks like:
Pigen(Unmarried girl) Ingeborg Olsdr Melaas, emigration records April 15. 1867, Lunner and Jevnaker #71
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 02/10/2007 00:43:54
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Three members from Kragerud (Kraggerud-Kræggeru) emigrated 1875 via Oslo: Widow Kari Amundsdr and her daughters Mari and Ingeborg. Dest. Cresco Iowa.
They knew where to go, the tickets were paid for on ship Hero
There were 3 farms named Kragerud and 4 containing Kragerud, as Kragerud Møllerstuen(Millers cabin ), Kragerud Ødegården (desert farm), Kragerudbrenna and Kragerudhagen in Jevnaker 1865.
The origin of Kragge is a low crooked tree and Rud means Rydning, to clear the land.
If the land was cleared by fire the farm was named Brenna as Kraggerudbrennna (brenne means to burn)
Kåre
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 11/09/2012 02:14:27
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Going back to the Kraggerud question. I found an Amund L. Kragerud who emigrated from Jevnaker Parish, Hadeland in 1867. I would appreciate help finding hi emigration record. His son Lars Kragerud possibly wa the Kraggerud my g-g-grandmother's sister Ingeborg married.
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 11/06/2013 00:49:35
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I am sorry to resurrect this thread from the dead, but I have found some further information.
I found the following information: "Ole Nilson Kragerø. He left lower Telemark, Norway, in the spring of 1866 and came to Winneshiek Co., Iowa, where he lived for 6 years. Afterwards he went to Jackson Co., Iowa, where he remained for about 4 years. In the summer of 1877 he left Iowa and came here, where he took a 1/4 section of land in the town of Fossum, where he still lives. His first wife was Ingeborg Melaas. She died December 1886 and is buried at Wild Rice Cemetery. In the summer or fall of 1889 he remarried to the widow Mrs. Anne Kaardahl, who a few years before had moved here to the settlement from Dakota. With his first wife he had 6 children, 4 boys and 2 girls, who are all at home. With his second wife he has one child."
Could this Ingeborg be the one that I am looking for information on? Kragerø could possibly be a different spelling for Kraggerud. Wild Rice Cemetary is relatively close to where other relatives with the Melaas name lived in the early part of the 20th century.
I would also like to try and find the children of this Ole and Ingeborg.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/06/2013 03:03:58
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This may provide some information on an Ingeborg married ot Ole Nison.
1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Ingebor Nilson
Age in 1870: 26
Birth Year: abt 1844
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Springfield, Winneshiek, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Ossian
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
O P Nilson 26
Ingebor Nilson 26
Nils O Nilson 1/12
Abraham Nilson 16
Kari Olson 28
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/06/2013 03:06:28
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As wel as this informaion that pops up during the search.
1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Ingeborg Nelson
Age: 35
Birth Year: abt 1845
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Fossum, Polk, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: O.P. Nelson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors:
Occupation: Keeping House
Household Members:
Name Age
O.P. Nelson 36
Ingeborg Nelson 35
Nels Nelson 10
Matha Nelson 8
Hans Nelson 6
Tilda Nelson 3
Adolph Nelson 6m
R.B. Johnson 32
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/06/2013 03:09:17
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And this information seems to fit your question. I skimmed youir 5 pages of questions and answers on this post so I hope some of this informaltion fits youir ingeborg.
Web: Minnesota, Find A Grave Index, 1800-2012
Name: Ingeborg Melaas Kragero
Birth Date: 5 May 1843
Age at Death: 43
Death Date: Dec 1886
Burial Place: Twin Valley, Norman County, Minnesota, USA
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/06/2013 03:12:10
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All of this informaltion seems to fit youir search, so I hope it helps.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=KRA&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=25&GScntry=4&GSsr=841&GRid=71197798&
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/06/2013 03:17:29
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The grave photo above shows five chidren, however this Family Tree on Ancestry.com shows eight chidren for these two people.
Ingeborg Melaas
Birth 5 May 1843 in Jevnaker, Oppland, NORWAY
Death 27 Dec 1886 in Fossum, Minnesota, USA
Ole Peter Nilson Kragerø
Birth 4 December 1844 in Bamble Herad Telemark County, Norway
Death 21 July 1929 in Twin Valley,Norman,MN
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 12/06/2013 04:55:33
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Wow, you put lots of time into this research! Thank you SO much for your help!
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/06/2013 16:14:44
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If one can beleive the Ancestry.com Family Tree birth date for Ingeborg, this is likely her. Father is Ole Hansen Melaas and mother Marte Olsdatter. See #23 in the girls section.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8966&idx_id=8966&uid=ny&idx_side=-25
Going back and reading the first few pages of this post, this matches up well with the information provided to you by Jan Peter on page one And from Kåre on page three. I think if you sort through all the information on these five pages again you might find everything you need is already there.
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 27/01/2014 05:59:05
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Is there a way to find out the date that Martha Ensrud's mother Karen Melaas Ensrud died? According to a letter my great grandmother wrote in 1955 her mother died before her sixth birthday in 1889.
So she must have died between Ingeborg's birth on Feb. 28, 1889 and Sept. 5, 1889.
Reply author: TLarson
Replied on: 27/01/2014 06:03:58
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According to a letter I have that was written Sept. 22, 1889 it lists Karen Ensrud af gik ved Doden den 18 August. I would really appreciate help looking this up in the church records to confirm and possibly find out her cause of death.
Thank you in advance!
Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 27/01/2014 09:58:04
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The record is #28.
It says she died Aug 11 and the cause of her dath was "Tæring and Saar i Munnen" - tuberculosis and ulcers in the mouth.
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