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sandyoc
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 Posted - 02/05/2008 : 01:00:12
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| Was any record kept of the people who returned to Norway to live. My grandfather left Norway in 1891 and lived in the USA until at least 1904. Sometime between 1904 and 1908 he returned to Norway. Are there any incoming records? thanks |
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Lester Hanson
Advanced member
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 01:27:20
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Ancestry.com a subscription service, has a file for US Passports issued from 1795-1925. The US government under NARA should also have these records, but they won't be on line.
Les
PS: Didn't see your previous post for Melkor Guerenus Andersen Oien. A quick search of Melkor, Andersen, and Oien, didn't make any good hits. What was the name he used in the US?
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sandyoc
Starting member
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 02:02:56
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Hi there,
Thanks for your rspeedy reply.
This was his name when he entered the US with in Decl 1891. I think (but not 100% sure) that he changed his name to Mike Anderson (Andersen) and ende up living in North Dakota. I does not appear that he ever applied for a passport under that name. Any ideas?? |
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Lester Hanson
Advanced member
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 04:21:29
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With so little information given, I am curious why you need the emigration date back to Norway. He probably returned to his homeplace, don't you think? Do you know which county or city he lived at, in North Dakota. If you have his birth date, that would be helpful. He must have immigrated here with a wife, or got married in the US. I'm sorry if these are personal questions.
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 04:35:56
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There is a posting on Ancestry regarding Melkor Click Here Since that post indicates that he returned to Canada after marrying in Norway, the record of his return is on the Digitalarkivet emigrants from Oslo Click Here
Here he is in the 1875 census for Rendal Click Here
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sandyoc
Starting member
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 06:45:46
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I am trying to determine if the Mike Anderson from Pierce County, North Dakota is the same person as Melkor G. A. Oien who was born in Ytre Rendal, Norway on Sept 28, 1872. Melkor Guerenus Andersen Oien arrived to New York City on the City of Chester ship on Dec 20 or 21, 1891. From that point on, I cannot find any records of Melkor in America, yet I know that he was in America for a minimum of 14 years, and also that he naturalized sometime prior to his return to Norway. It was known that he lived in North Dakota. Melkor went by both names, Mike and Melkor. Melkor married in Norway in 1908.
There is a Mike Anderson in Pierce County, North Dakota in the 1900 census. This same Mike Anderson was in Aitkin County, Minnesota in 1894 when he filled out his Declaration of Intention. He later moved to Pierce County, ND. According to the 1900 Census, Mike Anderson was born in Norway in Sept 1872 and arrived to the US in 1892 (Dec 1891 is very close to 1892). I have not been able to find anyone named Mike Anderson in the birth records in Norway - I doubt that Mike was a Norwegian name.
Mike Anderson was a boarder on the farm in Pierce County of Halvor N. Wold who apprently came to the USA in 1888 although I have not been able to locate his entry to America nor his exit from Norway. I would like to find out more about Halvor Vold as maybe it will lead me to further information about Mike Anderson. If I find out more about Mike Anderson, maybe I can figure out if he was indeed the same person as Melkor (Mike) Anderson Oien/Oyen,my grandfather.
In 1904, this same Mike Anderson obtained homestead land in Pierce County.
If anyone has any ideas whatsoever, please get back to me. No lead is too small. Thanks
If anyone has any ideas on what I should look at to see if I can figure out if Melkor G. Anderson Oien and Mike Anderson are the same person, I would really appreciate any suggestions. Thanks |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 15:23:40
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You've seen the Declaration of Intention in the naturalization process? It contained no clues? Were the final papers of naturalization also carefully studied?
Have you found the local church records where Mike Anderson was member? (Minnesota AND various locations in ND) Was there notation of his original Norwegian name and/or parish of baptism or confirmation?
Have you searched all the various papers that were filed concerning the homestead?? Were there more records created when he sold his land prior to leaving the US?
Have you looked for any information which may have published about him in local small-town ND newspapers? |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/05/2008 : 21:37:29
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Not easy to find him between 1904-08 in Norway so I bring up some more records.
It looks like the name Øien is coming from Hodalsøien in Tolga parish.
Melkor Gurenus was born in Nedre Rendalen Sept 28. 1872, his father was Anders Øien #27
The same Melkor Gurenus on Norseth in 1875
The weddig record for June 6. 1865 show his father was from Hodalsøien in Tolga parish in Hedmark county, #6
He left Norway (Oslo) July 10. 1910 as Melkior Andersen Øien, married to Bertine and one son Bjarne born Mai 5. 1908, place of living: America, dest Canada.
Perhaps ha stayed in Tolga on Øien betwen 1904-10, the name seems like a thread worth to follow.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 02/05/2008 21:51:43 |
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sandyoc
Starting member
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 00:04:20
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HI Kare,
Thanks for all this. You car correct on Hodalsoien in Togla parish. I think that is where the family got the name Oien/Oyen. I had not seen #27 before; I always thought that Melkor's father's name was Anders Andersen? I cannot read Norwegian so I cannot read what is there unfortunately.
I knew that he left Norway again for Canada in 1910. From documents in Canada, I found that he was an American citizen living last in the USA in North Dakota. I think that he left the USA sometime after 1904 but more probably around 1906. He was married to Bertine/Berntine Bolstad in 1908. I believe this was at the Bolstand Sondre farm in Ovre Rendal. There is also a record of the marriage between Melkor and Berntine Bolstand in 1908 which I have previously seen but do not seem to be able to find right now.
I found Melkor Andersen Oien on exit records for Norway in 1891, and then I found him listed on the City of Chester ship out of Liverpool which arrived in New York on Dec 20, 1891. I had to look through the records name by name as it does not seem to be transcribed onto the online records for that ship. On the birh record of Bjarne, my father, it lists Melkor as a farmer from America.
Do you know if there are any records kept in Norway for those who returned? If there are records, I would like to see if either Melkor Anderson Oien and/or Mike Anderson are on these records. |
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sandyoc
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 00:35:02
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Hi there,
Thanks - I think you made really good suggestions that I need to follow up on, but I really do not know how to check local church records for Mike Anderson both in Minnesota and North Dakota. Do you have any idea?
Regarding the homestead records, I got what I could from NARA. That is what made me believe that Mike Anderson is the same person as Melkor Anderson Oien. Mike acquired the homestead land in 1904 and he was single. In 1908, he sold the lands and he was married to a Berntine Anderson and my grandmother was Bertine Bolstad who became Bertine Anderson Oien/Oyen. The signatures on the certs look all the same so I do not belive that it was them who really signed the papers. It says on the document where the land was sold that it was free of all encumbrances except mortgage now of record drawing 10% inerest which second party assumes with ineterest from the date of Nove 1, 1908. I wonder if there is any record of these payments or anything to do with the land sale?? Do you know where there might be further land record information?
I have not checked out North Dakota newspapers - again, I did not know how to do that but it sounds like an excellend idea.
Another thing that makes me think that Melkor and Mike are the same person is that I have found pictures (of unknow men) and the pictures were taked at photographers in Rugby, ND and also Grand Forks, ND.
So, that is about it for right now. Hope to hear back from anyone who has any ideas. Thanks.
Sandy
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Originally posted by Hopkins
You've seen the Declaration of Intention in the naturalization process? It contained no clues? Were the final papers of naturalization also carefully studied?
Have you found the local church records where Mike Anderson was member? (Minnesota AND various locations in ND) Was there notation of his original Norwegian name and/or parish of baptism or confirmation?
Have you searched all the various papers that were filed concerning the homestead?? Were there more records created when he sold his land prior to leaving the US?
Have you looked for any information which may have published about him in local small-town ND newspapers?
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/05/2008 : 01:20:40
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The only place to look to my knowledge for people who settled down in a parish are the church books and the migration records.
Then the guidance (not easy to explain in a foreigh languide)
Take a look topmost of the page, usually left page for immigrants "Innflyttede" or "Tilgang" and
emigration is usually right page for "Udflyttede" or "Afgang".
The church book for Melkor Gurenus show his father as Anders Øien (born 1825) and his mother as Gjertru Gjermundsdatter (born 1836) and they married in -65
The same names for the 1875 census, Melkor had three brothers. Ole Johansen as "inderst", renter and likly a relative, occ: "Snedker" Carpenter.
Also Anders Andersen was a carpenter "Tømmermand"
The wedding for June 6. 1865 :
"Ungkarl og Gaarsmandssøn" Bachelor and farmers son Anders Andersen Hodalsøien in Tolgen and maid Gjertu Gjermundsdatter nedre (lower) Bakken, Undset.
4. Columm: he was bor in Tolgen (Tolga) and she was born in Rendalen.
5. column: he was 39 and she was 29 years old.
6. and 7. column show the fathers names: his father was Anders Andersen Hodalsøien and her father was Gjermund Gjermundsen Bergset.
8. column: Best men. Simon Andersen Øien and Peder Johansen Fonaas
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Edited by - Kåarto on 03/05/2008 01:35:20 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 05:25:24
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North Dakota newspapers on microfilm may be loaned from the State Historical Society
http://www.nd.gov/hist/newshome.htm
American Lutheran Church registers were microfilmed in the 1970s (includes most of the old Norwegian Lutheran churches) and are available for loan from ELCA. Ewrite to archives staff to find which church's record they might have for your area/ time period.
www.elca.org
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sandyoc
Starting member
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 06:49:40
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Kare,
Thanks so much for translating this all for me. I really appreciate your help. I am sorry to be so slow to thank you but I have been away until today.
Sandy
quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
The only place to look to my knowledge for people who settled down in a parish are the church books and the migration records.
Then the guidance (not easy to explain in a foreigh languide)
Take a look topmost of the page, usually left page for immigrants "Innflyttede" or "Tilgang" and
emigration is usually right page for "Udflyttede" or "Afgang".
The church book for Melkor Gurenus show his father as Anders Øien (born 1825) and his mother as Gjertru Gjermundsdatter (born 1836) and they married in -65
The same names for the 1875 census, Melkor had three brothers. Ole Johansen as "inderst", renter and likly a relative, occ: "Snedker" Carpenter.
Also Anders Andersen was a carpenter "Tømmermand"
The wedding for June 6. 1865 :
"Ungkarl og Gaarsmandssøn" Bachelor and farmers son Anders Andersen Hodalsøien in Tolgen and maid Gjertu Gjermundsdatter nedre (lower) Bakken, Undset.
4. Columm: he was bor in Tolgen (Tolga) and she was born in Rendalen.
5. column: he was 39 and she was 29 years old.
6. and 7. column show the fathers names: his father was Anders Andersen Hodalsøien and her father was Gjermund Gjermundsen Bergset.
8. column: Best men. Simon Andersen Øien and Peder Johansen Fonaas
Kåre
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sandyoc
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 07:51:56
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Hello Kare,
Sorry for being so slow to respond to you. I have been away. Thank you so much for translating this all for me into English. I very much appreciate your help. I know that Melkor Anderson Oien and Bertine Bolstad married in Ovre Rendal (I think) in 1908 and also my father Bjarne Oien was born on May 8, 1908. He was born at the Bolstad Sondre farm. I am hoping that these records may say something about where Melkor is from. Do you know how I would search this?
Also you mentioned migration records - do you have any idea how to find these?
Thanks,
Sandy
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Originally posted by Kåarto
The only place to look to my knowledge for people who settled down in a parish are the church books and the migration records.
Then the guidance (not easy to explain in a foreigh languide)
Take a look topmost of the page, usually left page for immigrants "Innflyttede" or "Tilgang" and
emigration is usually right page for "Udflyttede" or "Afgang".
The church book for Melkor Gurenus show his father as Anders Øien (born 1825) and his mother as Gjertru Gjermundsdatter (born 1836) and they married in -65
The same names for the 1875 census, Melkor had three brothers. Ole Johansen as "inderst", renter and likly a relative, occ: "Snedker" Carpenter.
Also Anders Andersen was a carpenter "Tømmermand"
The wedding for June 6. 1865 :
"Ungkarl og Gaarsmandssøn" Bachelor and farmers son Anders Andersen Hodalsøien in Tolgen and maid Gjertu Gjermundsdatter nedre (lower) Bakken, Undset.
4. Columm: he was bor in Tolgen (Tolga) and she was born in Rendalen.
5. column: he was 39 and she was 29 years old.
6. and 7. column show the fathers names: his father was Anders Andersen Hodalsøien and her father was Gjermund Gjermundsen Bergset.
8. column: Best men. Simon Andersen Øien and Peder Johansen Fonaas
Kåre
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 09:25:18
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Don´t be sorry for that.
It would likely be possible to find these records, I just wanted you to see this first.
Anders Andersen was born on Hodalsøien in Tolga Oct. 1. 1825 and bap. in Tolga church Oct. 21.
Parents: Anders Larsen and Magrete Simonsdatter Hodalsøien #27
Søndre Bolstad is Øvre (Upper) Rendalen, but the church records seems for one reason to end 1904.
Then we have th "Bygdebok" for Øvre Rendal, two volumes.
The last edition is from 1989.
If someone could make a look up the key is most likely there.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 09/05/2008 20:00:41 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/05/2008 : 10:16:24
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This looks promising, Søndre Bolstad was Søndre Balstad in 1900.
It you click on the Hammer in Balstad søndre new information has apperared Digitalarkivet: David Oyen (Øien) suggest: Bolstad Søndre.
Beritine Bolstad/Balstad born 1882 was daughter of Bernt Balstad and Anne O. (Olsdatter) Balstad, she worked as "budeie" milkmaid
Bertine had two brothers, Bernt and Baard Syverin and two sisters, Alma and Synøve (Øien) married to Simon Øien. Albertine and Albert Øien was their Children.
Widower Ole O. (Olsen) Brænden born 1818 was Anne Bolstads father.
Anne Midtskogen, unmarried, was a servent and Olaug Midtskogen born Mai 5.1900 (250500) was a foster child.
Bertines (Berntsdatter) Bolstads confirmation record from April 17 1898 in Øvre Rendalen church tells she was born on Haarseth, down page #1
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Edited by - Kåarto on 09/05/2008 19:23:25 |
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Passenger Lists for those returning to Norway??
