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squicker
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USA
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 Posted - 17/11/2005 : 20:13:56
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| Hello - Looking for information on Ystesund name in Norway and Minnesota. My father was adopted by Knute Ystesund and his wife Maria. Knute's father was Aslak Ystesund and his mother was Dagne Olson Ystesund. Knute had at least two brothers and three sisters. |
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kaare n
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Norway
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/11/2005 : 20:21:20
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Hi,
Knud Aslaksen Ystesund (21), from Fyrrisdal emigrated from Christiania to New York on June 30th, 1902. click here
Together with him on the journey are father Aslak Olsen Ystesund (65), mother Dagny Ystesund (60), and brother(?) Ole A. Ystesund (12,5). They are going to Minnesota.
The family are from Fyresdal in Telemark county.
Here is Knudt in census-1900.
Here is Aslak, Dagny and son Olaf in the same census. Olaf must the the same as Ole in the emigration list.
Jan Peter
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/11/2005 : 21:01:17
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I searched indexes of the US censuses and only three 'Ystesund' families appear in 1920. Heads of household are Knut, Ole, and Targe. All three reside in Minnesota.
Knut Ystesund (Pennington Co., Minnesota) is 39 yrs old, married to Marie/Maria and lists that he/they immigrated in 1902.
Ole Ystesund (Red Lake Co., Minnesota) is 30 yrs old and Targe Ystesund (Houston Co., Minnesota) is 83 yrs old.
I am amazed that Kaare and Jan Peter were able to find the correct area in Norway without any time period or date references in the original query. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2005 : 05:49:16
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This looks to be Aslak & Dagny in the 1865-census: click here
Brattekaas farm, Moland Parish, Telemark:- Ole Larsen (63), widower, born in Seljord parish, Telemark. Must be Aslaks father.
- Aslak Olsen (28), born in Moland, Telemark
- Dagne Knudtsdatter (22), born in Mo, Telemark
- Ole Aslaksen (2), born in Moland, Telemark
Aslak Olsen & Dagne Knudsdr
Marriage: 07 DEC 1862 Fyresdal, Telemark, Norway link
Moland is the municipal centre of Fyresdal muncipality.
Mo is in Tokke muncipality.
Children to Aslak & Dagny:
- Olaf/Ole b. ca 1864
- Knut b. ca 1881
- Olaf/Ole b. ca 1889
Christening records:
Olaf Aslaksen
Birth: 12 May 1863
Christening: 25 May 1863, Fyrisdal, Telemark, Norway link
Sigrid Aslaksdatter
Birth: 04 Aug 1866
Christening: 30 Sep 1866, Fyrisdal, Telemark, Norway link
Margit Aslaksdatter
Birth: 20 Mar 1870
Christening: 26 May 1870, Fyrisdal, Telemark, Norway link
Two possibilities of Margit in census-1900:
Margit Aslaksdatter b.1869 This Margit have a daughter named Dagne! 
Margit Aslaksdatter Gryte b. 1870
This could be Sigrid: click here
Osmund & Margit Kjili looks to be Halvors parents, so a possible clue could be to look for marriage records of one "Halvor Osmundsen" & "Sigrid Aslaksdatter".
Marriage about 1897 in Fyresdal, Telemark...? 
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 19/11/2005 14:11:48 |
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PH
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/10/2007 : 14:09:18
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Hello, We have purchased a Norwegian Mountain Farm (Norsk Fjell Gard) called "Ystesund". It is from around 1730. We think the name means the "Cheese farm in the narrow valley" If anyone has more pics and info please contact us. Have a look on www.conservationcrafts.com for modern info and photos which is being updated for 2008 season. |
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K屧rto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/10/2007 : 21:51:49
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Hi,
todays yste means correctly to "yste" butter or cheese:
The name Ystesund means Yttersund, the outher sound "det ytterste sund" at one of the great lakes in Telemark which tell you about the location of the farm.
K緳e |
Edited by - K屧rto on 02/10/2007 22:00:14 |
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PH
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 00:26:36
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Hello, I have looked in the Nynorsk Ordbok we have and the word "Sund" does means Sound/Strait so assume that the name does mean the cheese farm beside the narrow lake. The lake in front is called Midsund and was used for hundreds of years as a dam for moving trees down in Spring to the local Sagbruk (Sawmill) at Veum. The lake that joins this one is called Sundsvatn.
The name Ystesund is rare in Norway and we have found only this farm with that name. There also seems to be nobody called that surname in Norge.
Interested in the USA/Canada side of the history and pics if possible. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 00:47:32
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Sund means "narrow water" in this context. I assume "straits" would be a proper translation...?
You are right that Yste can be translated into "making cheese" (it's a verb), but in this context yste should be translated into "The utmost".
So Ystesund would be "The utmost straits" in english...
Very nice that you mentioned "Midsund"..., which can be directly translated into "The middle straits". There is farm by that name next to Ystesund. Maybe there was a farm called "The inner straits" there as well earlier...?
The lake is called Sundsvatn. But I guess you know all this..., I see that you are the current owner of Ystesund...
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 07/11/2007 01:02:35 |
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PH
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 12:12:16
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Hei, Thanks for all the help and info! There ia an old remains of Midsund which now belongs to the next place. I can see why it is called a name after the lake area.
The modern name we were told means cheese farm in narrow valley although the valley is open so its interesting to see how the language has altered over time and local understanding. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 12:47:12
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Hi
"Cheese farm in narrow valley" would be totally wrong in this context!
First of all; I'm 100% sure that the people who lived there earlier never thought of the farmname as something to do with cheese...! They might of course have produced cheese there, but so did most of the farms in those days, for own supply.
Yste would be a local dialect variant of the word Ytre, ie. "outer".
And secondly, how can someone translate the second syllable sund into "narrow valley"?
A "sund" is "narrow water", either at the sea close to the mainland, or in connection with a fjord/inlet or a lake, where the water narrow down.
The word sund is never used in connection with a valley.
So I'm quite confident Ystesund should be translated into "The utmost straits" or "The outer strait"...
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 07/11/2007 12:48:55 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 13:18:21
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| May I try to contribute to the translation of Ystesund and Midsund - since the lake is Sunds-vatn would it not be logical that Mid-sund is the farm at the midle of the lake and Yste-Sund is the farm at the outer - or most likely - the east end of the lake? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 13:59:06
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Yste could refer to east, especially since the farm is east of the Middle farm Midtsund, but I'm not confident that the prefix refer to the cardinal direction in this context...
By looking at the "O. Rygh: Norske Gaardnavne", all the farmnames there which starts with Yste*, are explained as "the outer" farm, regardless if the location of the farm is east, west, south or north of the neighboring farm.
Jan Peter |
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PH
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 15:22:24
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Hei again, Thanks for the help with names and history. The lake used to only go as far as Midsund where there was a dam wall across to Donstad. The water then went into a narrow valley river. See the map. Yes Ystesund is on the North east side of Sundsvatn.
Sundsvatn was extended as some time downstream to make the lake in front of Ystesund. This created the Flotningsdam. "Timber Floating Dam" which we think was used until the 1960's
Looking for info on the dam and history with pics if possible. |
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PH
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 15:25:04
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| Is it possible to contact Knut, Ole, Targe Ystesund for my history on the name and this mountain farm (Fjell Gard)? |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 15:43:47
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Originally posted by PH
Is it possible to contact Knut, Ole, Targe Ystesund for my history on the name and this mountain farm (Fjell Gard)?
I doubt strongly that you are able to contact them by "normal means".., they would be quite old today!
Targe Ystesund was born ca. 1837, and would be 170 years today!
His sons(?) Knut Ystesund was born 1881, Ole Ystesund was born 1890.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 07/11/2007 15:44:40 |
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