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twgerber
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 Posted - 17/01/2007 : 04:28:21
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Looking for information on Betsy Olson born Norway on either 2 Feb 1865 or 1 Feb 1866 based on her US death or marriage record depending on what you want to believe
I have uploaded two images (500K each) to my web site that might help:
Marriage 1893 Image:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gerber/MarriageObertBessie1893.jpg
Ole Sorenson, age 33, son of Soren Paulson and Kari Kristofferson to Bessie Olson, age 30, daughter of Ole Kristianson and Bea???? Olson. Witnesses Anna Erikson and Soren Sorenson.
Is it normal for a daughter to use her mothers last name?
Other church record 1894 Image: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gerber/ObertBessie1894.jpg
Not sure what type of record this is. I forgot to photograph the page heading. This is interesting because it gives their place of origin in Norway!
Could use your help translating this one!
Ole Sorenson, born 21 Jan 1860, Norde Ordalen konf. (konfirmed?) Past (pastor) ???
Betsy Olsen, born Feb 1 1866 (note I also have Feb 2, 1865), Vordalen, conf. by Past. Smidt(?) ??.
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kaare n
Medium member
Norway
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Posted - 17/01/2007 : 16:03:48
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I found one possible Betsy in census 1865 but wrong birth year, but the name on her father and mother is right.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0402&kenr=0045&bnr=0047&lnr=000
Maybe the first Betsy died and they got one child in 1865 or 1866. And then it was sometimes tradition to name the new child the same as the dead one.
Is it normal for a daughter to use her mother’s last name?
No, but sometimes the mother’s last name was the same as the daughter’s name.
It means that she was a daughter of a man called Ole.
Normally in those times it would be written Olsdatter, and that would be easier to be just Olsen.
Kåre
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/01/2007 : 21:10:25
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Ole Sørensen
Christening: 19 FEB 1860, Nord Odal, Hedmark, Norway
Parents: Søren Paulsen & Kari Christophersdr
Here is Ole on the Dammen farm in Nordre Odalen, Hedmark, in census-1865.
Betsy Olson's hometown looks to be Verdal, Nord Trøndelag or Vardal, Oppland, but I couldn't find any good match, allthough both parishes have online birthrecords for this period... 
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/01/2007 23:06:05 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/01/2007 : 22:00:27
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Could it be this girl?
Ida Bergitte Olsen
Birth: 18 FEB 1864
Christening: 13 MAR 1864, Vardal, Oppland, Norway
Parents: Olaus Christiansen & Beatha Olsdr
Bessie's marriage record dated 15 JUL 1893, Trinity Lutheran Church, La Crosse, La Crosse, Wisconsin.
The Vardal family in census 1865: click here
Ida Bergitte's brother Martin Brækken is running the Brækken farm in Vardal, Oppland in 1900.
Their mother Beate Olsdatter is living on the property. Beate Olsdatter is the registered owner in 1886, so husband Olaus/Ole Christiansen must have died 1866-1886
A possibility among emigrants from Kristiania/Oslo 1871-1930:
27-Oct-1882, Bergitte Olson (18) from Vardal, to Cashton [Cashton, Wis?]
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/01/2007 22:48:33 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/01/2007 : 23:20:27
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quote:
Originally posted by twgerber
Is it normal for a daughter to use her mothers last name?
She does not use her mother's last name. Bessie has her lastname from her father... she is Ole's daughter... thus a lastname of Olsdr, Olsdatter, Olsen.
By the way, could her birthdate from the marriage record read Feb 18, 64? 
She can not be born in 1866, because she's 30 years old in 1893, at the marriage. Thus born 1863 +/-1.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/01/2007 23:21:16 |
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twgerber
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Posted - 18/01/2007 : 04:26:27
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I suppose it could be 1864 but the "4" doesn't look like any other 4's on that image. Of course her husband's year of birth looks more like 1850 than 1860 so it could just be poorly written.
Her death certificate gives her age as 2 Feb 1865 so I was questioning the year anyway.
1900 census gives her age as 34 (~1866) immigration 1891
1910 gives her age as 45 (~1865) immigration 1888
1920 gives her age as 56 (~1864) immigration 1888
1930 gives her age as 66 immigration 1890
I think the image definitely shows it as "1 Feb" as the day of the month is written first for her husband and the other entries give the day of the month first too so that seems to be consistent. That doesn't mean you aren't right though just that the US records don't match up - which isn't always unusual.
Basically the year of immigration is not consistent enough to count on either.
I'll keep looking into it. I'm trying to find if other family members came with her or not.
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Edited by - twgerber on 18/01/2007 04:50:39 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/01/2007 : 08:07:22
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Hmmm... I still have some faith in this Ida Bergitte, but the immigration year doesn't fit... It was the closest match of the parents, and also the place Vardal looks to fit....
Witness Søren Sørensen at their wedding is Ole's younger brother.
This looks to be Søren (christened 26 DEC 1862) and sister Marthea (b. 08 JAN 1854) emigrating to La Crosse in 1884.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/01/2007 : 08:25:32
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Here is Ole Sørensen (22) emigrating to La Crosse on 21-Apr-1882.
How does his immigration year fit with the census'es?
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twgerber
Starting member
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Posted - 18/01/2007 : 14:29:54
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I agree she's a very very strong candidate.
Ole's year of immigration is all over the board on the census's. Soren's is dead on and consistent on all the census's.
And where can I find translations of the column headings?
I didn't know there was emigration records on that site! Thanks for the links! |
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Jo Anne Sadler
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Betsy Olson - born Norway
