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Kåarto
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 Posted - 04/05/2007 : 12:34:23
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Thanks Einar
all help appreciated.
Perhaps Ole went to Kongsberg to work in the silvemines since Kongsberg is mentioned.
It´s a small world, my granfather was born in Sigdal and I have lived in Kongsberg all my life.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 17:10:32
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Could Guttorm Stengrimsen age 15 in 1801 on farm Ejdal be Torkilds father? No records online yet.
Some records are online... 
Torkil Guttormsen
Birth: 12 Sep 1814, Aal, Buskerud
Christening: 25 Sep 1814
Parents: Guttorm Steengrimsen & Barbro Torkilsdr
Torkild Guttormsen (26) & Christie Ellingsdr (40)
Marriage: 05 JAN 1841, Krodsherad, Buskerud
His father: Guttorm Stengrimsen
Her father: Elling Olsen
Birth place for both: Nohre Eie
Torkild Guttormsen (32) & Berith Evensdr (25)
Marriage: 04 MAR 1847, Krodsherad, Buskerud
His father: Guttorm Stengrimsen
Her father: Even Trulsen
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eibache
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 03:42:42
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Once again, I'm in awe. Thanks so much for the information. I'm guessing it's going to take me at least a day to sort thru it all. A couple of questions:
1) What's a cotters place?
2) Any suggestions on the proper way to document the original sources from the parish registers?
3) Any suggestions on a good online map of Norway to use? A lot of my lines are in different counties, and frankly, it's making my head spin.
4) I have one more family grouping. In the US, their names were Ole and Margit (Olson) Stendahlen/Stendalen (I've seen both spellings). I'm pretty sure I found them in the 1865 census on the Steendalen farm:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60811&gardpostnr=29&personpostnr=186&merk=186#ovre
Apparently they emigrated to the US between 1866 and 1870 since they show up in the 1865 Norwegian census and then have another daughter born abt 1870 in Wisconsin, USA according to the 1880 US census.
I think I've found Margit's birth record in Sandsvaer (#43 on the right side):
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051111010255.jpg&siz=full
It looks like her father's name was Ole Knudssen but I can't read the rest of it. Is there a mother listed? Anne something?
Any help with Ole and Margit would be appreciated.
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eibache
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 07:43:15
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The column for Margits parents read "Ole Knudsen Ormetangen og Anne Pedersdatter"
Ole and Margit were married July 15 1849, see #21 here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1126&idx_id=1126&uid=ny&idx_side=-232
Ole was a tenant under the farm Laurvig, he was born at Danemyr in Slemdal and his father was Ole Levorsen. Margit was at Landaasejet when they married but she was born at Ormtangen på Raje--- and her father was Ole Knudsen. |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 15:55:38
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1. Cotter is English word. Start with an English dictionary.
2. Appropriate source citation depends upon the style and thoroughness that you choose. You might consider using the information available with the Digitalarkivet scanned image itself. At the top of the scanned image page is an option "Bildeinformasjon:" [Norwegian version]/"Image Information"[English version] which is by default set to "Ingen" [Norwegian version]/"None" [English version]. Change that and more info is available. The first line "Kildeinformasjon:" [Norwegian version]/"Source information" [English version] is a really nice summary of the source of the information and is nice to have for making detailed source citations, footnotes, etc.
3. Check out the Links available at upper right of this page and also quick scan through earlier threads on these forums might also give you URLs for map pages of a style that you
like.
Be sure to study the "how-to" links recommended. Just in case you missed it -
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 18:03:31
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It´s a small word,
I lived on Ormetangen until I was 7 years old. Ormetangen is a desert farm next to lake Ravalsjø (named after king Ravald from the Saga) in a moutain area named Skrim.
The nearest farm, about 4 miles closer to Kongsberg town, was Olledalen (Ole, next, married the girl on the neighbour farm).
Ole Knudsen Ormetangen, age 33, married Anne Pedersdatter Olledalen, age 24, in Efteløt church oct. 10.1823, couple nr 18
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1125&idx_id=1125&uid=ny&idx_side=-221
Ole Knudsen in 1801 on farm Raje Bøe Eje/Ormetangen age 11, two brothers, Anders age 16 and Lars age 7, father Knud Andersen, farmer, age 58, married 3.time and wife Margit Olsdatter age 41
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=28&filnamn=f10629&gardpostnr=282&merk=282#ovre
Ole Knudesn was son of Knut Andersen Ormetangen b.a.1741-dead 1805 and Margit Olsdatter b.a.1749-dead 1805 (buried twoo weeks after her husband Knut)
Ole Olsen Hagen met on behalf of the children under age, estimated value on the farm was increased from 112 to 200 Rd./Riksdaler, value brutto 485, netto 352 Rdl (Source: Sandsværs Historie b.4 p. 422-423)
Efteløt kirke: http://www.kongsberg.kommune.no/kultur/gater/data/b_eftelot_kirke.htm
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 18:37:22
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Anne Pedersdatter was bap. in Hedensatd church.
26 Sunday after Trinity, Sept. 8. 1799, father Peder Andersen Olledalen (her mother is not mentioned her, her name was Barbara Amundsdatter.)
Godparents: Christian Herbrandsen? Lindaas, pige Ragnild Amundsdatter Olledalen (her mothers sister), Johannes Olsen Lindaaseie, Jon Thordsen Kløvstad, Knud Andersen do.
Right page, "chapter" two starting with =16th Sønd:eft:Trinit.....
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5904&idx_id=5904&uid=ny&idx_side=-30
The family in 1801, Olledalen, one of several "Huusmandsplasser" Cotters places under Lindaas, Anne age 2 had one brother Anders age 12, two sisters, Karen age 10 and Johanne age 4, her father Peder age 36 worked as a farmer and a silverminer in the silvermines in the Saggrenda-Jonsknuten area, and her mother Barbra age 33. (some thousends was employed at the Silver- mine Company, 1624-1957).
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=15&filnamn=f10629&gardpostnr=263&peersonpostnr=2979&mer=2970#ovre
Barbra b. Jan.31. 1768 was daughter of Amund Rolfsen Lindaaseie
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=SVDP1779&gardpostnr=15&merk=15#ovre
Barbaras church record, nr 1, top page,Hed (Hedenstad church) Anund Rolfsen Lindaaseie Dat Barbara......
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8577&idx_id=8577&uid=ny&idx_side=-235
Hedenstad kirke: http://www.kongsberg.kommune.no/kultur/gater/data/b_hedenstad_kirke.htm
Amund Rolfsen Lindaaseie b. 1731 in Rollag parish (about 40 miles north of Kongsberg)-d-1802 in Olledalen, married 1761 in Sandsvær Johanne Olsdatter b.a.1729-d.1799.
Probate register after late Johanne was 231 Rdl netto.
Amund Rolfsen b. 1731 is person nr 2971 in the 1801 census abowe, renter on Olledalen, age 73, "Em. 1 gang"/widower 1 time, "Oph. ved flegførings contrakt", the same as "Føderaadsmand" or "Kaarmann", he had a contract for free food and a room as retired and previous owner og the farm.
Amund Rolfsen was son of Rolf Amundsen Lindaaseie, b. a. 1698 in Rollag parish-d-1782 in Olledalen, married in Rollag church June 9. 1731 Barbra Olsdatter b.A.1702-D.1790.
Rolf and Barbro baught " Olledalsmyrene" myr=bog in 1751 from Herbrand Halstensen for 2 Rdl, part payment a year, in 1783 Olledalen was baught from Lindaas for 120 Rdl.
The farm was also named Rolfsrud after Rolf Amundsen about 1750, rud means to clear land.
Olle means a well/shaft and dalen means walley (Shaft or Well-walley)
Source: Sandsværs Historie b. 6 p. 374-75-76-77.
Rollag stavkirke http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollag_stavkirke
Need some time to sort out the Stendalen track.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/05/2007 : 00:27:18
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Online map
http://kart.finn.no/
Enter "søk etter sted" and write Krøderen, Gol, Ål, Hedenstad (church), Efteløt (church) etc. and press " søk/go.
Dobbelclick with the mouse and navigate in the map, use zoom, change to satelite and watch the places.
"fjern merkelapp fra kartet" remove mark from the map.
To track Ormetangen: write Skrim, zoom out twice and you will see lake Ravalsjø and Ormetangen on west side, nort of the lake.
Follow the road from Ormetangen to the crossroad, meeting a "yellow road" you can watch farm Olledalen ab.100 yds south of the road.
The children can be happy i am not a teacher
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Edited by - Kåarto on 06/05/2007 13:38:58 |
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Kåarto
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Kåarto
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Posted - 18/05/2007 : 21:41:19
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Hi J,
Stendalen in Siljan (Slemdal) in Telemark County.
Margit Olsdr Ormetangen b. 1827 married Ole Olsen Dammyr 1849: Buttom page: Hedensatd church Sunday June 24, Ungk.(Bachelor)Ole Olsen ?? Dammyr: Slemdal 11/9 23 aar, father Ole Levorsen
Pige (Unmarried girl) Margit Olsdr Lindaaseie- Ormetangen paa Raje 22 aar, father Ole Knudsen(Ormetangen). Best men was Anund Olsen Brekke and Ole Anundsen Brekke (father and son?)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1126&idx_id=1126&uid=ny&idx_side=-232
Margit was born July 13. 1827 on Ormetangen, "Fødte kvindekjøn" girls right page, nr 43, parents Ole Knudsen Ormetangen and Anne Pedersdr (Olledalen)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1125&idx_id=1125&uid=ny&idx_side=-104
I don´t have Oles birth record, but his confirmation show he was born Sept 11.1826 on farm Dammyrseie. Parents Ole Levorsen and Martha Hansdatter, pers. nr 17:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1406&idx_id=1406&uid=ny&idx_side=-108
The family on Stendalen 1865, they must have left Sandsvær about -64. Sijan is just across the mountain Skrim, only half a day walking: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60811&gardpostnr=29&merk=29#ovre.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 18/05/2007 23:24:49 |
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