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waukegan
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 Posted - 08/03/2008 : 08:23:54
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Ludvig Larsen b. 1865 in or near Fredrikstad, Norway. Petra Hansen, Bilet b. 1868. Never married, parents of my g.f. Christian Johnseater Larsen b. in 1896, he baptised in the church of Glemmen. g.f. left Norway in 1907 with foster family Schkenness's. Searching for family members in Norway. Petra may not be Norwegian, but Danish or Swedish.
Kind Regards,
KAnnie |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 09:52:25
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Just in case this info is of interest.
Your grandfather Christian Johnsæter was born at the Bilet farm July 31, baptized at home Aug 1 by Madam Emilie Altenborn, which was confirmed in church Aug 23, all 1896.
Christian Johnsæter was born out of wedlock, the father Ludvig Larsen was an editor living in Christiania (Oslo) and he was a married man. His mother Petra Hansen was at the time living (and working?) at the Bilet farm. Withesses at the baptism was shopmanager Christian Nilsen, clerk Christian Hansen, Madam Emilie Altenborn and Mrs Jørgine Nilsen (Christian Nilsens wife).
see #126
Due to the circumstances it is difficult to trace where Christian Johnsæters father and mother moved after his birth.
More info on his foster parents would be beneficial. |
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Edited by - eibache on 08/03/2008 10:26:43 |
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waukegan
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 19:11:13
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Thank you for your kind reply.
Can you tell me where the Bilet farm is (or was) located? Or who the Madam Emilie Altenborn would have been in relation to the circumstances?
Can we locate what or where Ludvig Larsen was an editor?
This was new information for us, and we do thank you!
Hopeful of more.
Regards,
KAnnie |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/03/2008 : 21:48:51
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Use this map
and search (søk) for Bilet, (velg) Bilett (Gårdsbruk), Fredrikstad, Østfold.
So far I have not been able to tell the relationship of Madam Emilie Altenborn to the circumstances nor where Ludvig Larsen was an editor.
What do you know about the foster family Schkenness - not a common name in Norway - what other spellings could be used?
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Edited by - eibache on 08/03/2008 21:55:30 |
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waukegan
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 09/03/2008 : 01:05:16
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I'm thinking the foster family name will be a dead end, in terms of a search. As to my knowledge they had only girls, and immigrated to the USA, as with their foster brother, my g.f. The foster "father" however died in Norway before they came to America.
I will inquire of my mother (Christian's daughter) again, seeing if any info I've missed. Also try to ask what may be left here in USA of the foster family.
Our understanding isn't much, as the foster family gave very little (if any info) on my g.f.'s parents. Very closed up about it. Saying Petra (his mother) didn't want to be identified seemingly.
Would so be interested to locate her family as well, i.e. other children etc. Is this a daunting task??
Much appreciated
Kind regards!
KAnnie |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/03/2008 : 16:06:39
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I have found Christian in the 1900 census, he was living with the fosterfamily, actually a widow and her two daughters. See here
As you will see Schkenness is written Snekkenæs. |
Einar |
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waukegan
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 04:18:26
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 Thanks for your recent info.
I'm hopeful we can trace my gr.g..f. Ludvig Larsen thru his occupation of editor, what do you think?
Possibly in your first post of the baptism, the clerk mentioned, Christian Hansen, may have been Petra's father? Can't see that it makes much difference at this point...just curious what you thought? She is more difficult to navigate her eventual marriage or offspring 
Much appreciation
KAnnie |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 07:44:47
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I have looked for both Petra and Ludvig in the 1900 census - no hits so far - many activities could have taken place in the 4 years since Christians birth - where did they go?
Christian Hansen may of course have been Petra's father, then again naming practice when she was born would indicate her father being Hans. |
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waukegan
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2008 : 08:00:57
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This is so great...we so are appreciative of all your expertise!
Family story does indicate that my gr.g.f. Ludvig Larsen, came to the boat in Fredrikstad to see his son off when he came to America with the foster family. That being 1907. So he couldn't have gone too far, could he? 
Kind regards,
KAnnie |
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waukegan
Junior member
USA
43 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2008 : 22:50:09
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I have pulled up a Ludvig Larsen from Rootsweb.com, however, I don't know if its my gr. g. I.D. # 117045 Correct birth year and location, but doesn't show marriage or children.
What do the words for employment mean; ansatt sagbruk. Or where it says "note" 1 Halden. Flere barn.
Thank you for your help!
Regards,
KAnnie |
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Hopkins
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waukegan
Junior member
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Posted - 11/03/2008 : 01:27:15
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Thanks Hopkins
I've yet to learn what 1 Halden means in english. But I'll keep looking... |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/03/2008 : 07:47:53
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Ludvig Larsen was a common name at the time. There was one in Halden at the 1900 census - he was working at a saw mill, were married and had 6 children all born in Halden (Fredrikshald at that time). The note at Christians baptism saying "editor" coming from Christiania (Oslo) does not seem to fit for Ludvig Larsen living in Halden. see here
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waukegan
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 11/03/2008 : 16:51:56
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Yes, I see how we should think that. However, my g.f. Christian was born in Fredrikstad--how convienent would that have been back in 1995-6 for Ludvig and Petra
And there are no census records for Ludvig in Oslo Can any of the newspapers be checked for his employment there
Guess you wouldn't lie about such things--particularly in church
Wondering how much they didn't want to be tracked.
I noted that Ludvig came to the boat in Fredrikstad when his son, Christian sailed for America. There was no correspondence between my g.f. and his father once he lived here in America.
Just trying to figure this thing out--hopefully to find some distant cousins We plan on visiting in August!
Your info is much appreciated--many thanks!
Kind Regards,
KAnnie
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/03/2008 : 19:04:14
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A Ludvig Larsen born about 1865, married man who lives near Fredrikstad and works as a editor --
How about this one living in Oslo/Kristiania at Hansteens Gade 1 -
Record #20782
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2008 : 22:05:26
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Good search Hopkins, this Ludv. is most likely the father. Since his wife here is 12 years younger than he, she may be his second wife - after divorce from the first one?
In 1875 he was here
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Family of Ludvig Larsen, Petra Hansen, Bilet
