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tmafarrell
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 Posted - 01/04/2010 : 18:00:37
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hello all! i am hoping that someone might be able to help... i have seem to hit a wall, although in the past 2 years i have come quite far (with the help of others)- from knowing almost nothing to finding out the following:
jens samuelsen, born 1837.03.12 in lærdal, sogn og fjordane
-parents: samuel torchelsen (torkelsen) berget & anna roardatter (næset)
-on line 68: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11598&idx_id=11598&uid=ny&idx_side=-23
karen trulsdatter, born 1833.12.24 in modum, buskerud
-parents: truls guldbrandsen & barbro knudsdatter
-on line 28: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1153&idx_id=1153&uid=ny&idx_side=-16
i think they were married in 1860.
they are in the 1865 norwegian census (lines 5-9): http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=52&filnamn=f60301&gardpostnr=2328&personpostnr=52949&merk=52949#ovre
one of their children, caroline, b 1870.08.31, is my gggrandmother, but i cannot find her birth record. i have found one for karoline kirstine, born 1865.08.31.
-the birthdates are SO close (apart from the year), it makes me suspicious, but on her american death certificate, the year of birth is listed as 1870, not 1865.
there is also another missing sibling- ragnhild, born 1871.06. i cannot find anything on her, apart from the emigrant list.
lastly, this family emigrated to the USA on 1871.06.02
-http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=21143&personpostnr=21143#nedre
they are now known in the USA as the BERG family. they emigrated to minnesota, and lived in holden and crookston, mn. jens, karen, caroline and anna moved to chicago, il in the late 1890's.
if anyone has any information or can help, i would be most grateful.
-parents of jens & karen- any further information?
-ragnhild?
-marriage info on jens & karen? |
Hilsen,
Todd |
Edited by - tmafarrell on 01/04/2010 19:26:08 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 19:04:57
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| Ragnild is included in the emigration database. Go to the link you provided above and click on the button labeled Neste (Next). She is the first name on the next display of the continuing database list. |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 19:06:56
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oh! thank you! right before my eyes! :-)
i'll remove that part from my original post- thank you again for that! |
Hilsen,
Todd |
Edited by - tmafarrell on 01/04/2010 19:25:34 |
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eibache
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 20:23:42
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Truls Gulbrandsen and Barbroe Knudsdatter were married in Heggen church July 11 1822, see #29.
If the Caroline Kirstine you have found, b Aug 31 1865, is #275, parents Bryggeriarbeider Jens Samuelsen og hustru Karen Trulsdatter, Krogen 9, this agrees with the 1865 census.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 01/04/2010 21:03:54 |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 20:29:09
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| thank you so much! i NEVER would have found this, because i am not able to read this old style of writing. would it be possible for you to transcribe what is listed for me? |
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eibache
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 21:11:34
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Ragnhild Jensine was born June 13 1869, see #163 family then living in Fredensborgveien 2.
What exactly do you need transcribed? |
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eibache
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 21:20:20
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The emigration record is mistaken regarding Oles age, Ole and Anna were twins!, both born Dec 11 1862, see #19 & 20, family now living in Damstredet. (Why there was a question of Jens last name being Andersen or Samuelsen is a ?)
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 21:21:29
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amazing! what i can't find after 2 years of searching you find in hours! thank you!
oh- the transcriptions... well, if there are any clues that might help me; i am not sure what else is listed, like parents names, addresses, etc. |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 21:24:15
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| yes- i noticed that mistake- anna and ole were twins and listed one as 9 years old and the other as 19 years old on the emigration list. i figured that was just a mistake. a friend had looked at ole and anna's record and pointed out that jens last name was listed as andersen- and that confused me. perhaps a mistake? |
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eibache
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 22:05:36
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Regarding Ole and Annas age the census is not right either. The last name of Andersen may have originated from a Jens Andersen marrying in 1860 sometime.
Truels Guldbrandsen was 22 years old and coming from Dagsrudmoen when he married Barbroe Knudsdatter who was 26 years old coming from Moen.
There is a note added to the marriage record, very poorly written and difficult to transcribe, it looks like they both came from Næs, Hallingdahl. Have not found any evidence so far. |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 01/04/2010 22:27:40 |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 22:14:19
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| no- they are a year off there- that one is harder to explain. i'm confused about the jens andersen marrying in 1860 part, though. |
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eibache
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 22:31:24
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| You should just forget the last name "Andersen" in the bapt record for Ole and Anna, it is wrong. |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 02:44:52
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| oh that's a relief! that really would have confused me, wondering what was going on, if i had the wrong people, etc. thank you! |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 02:57:08
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| oh and thank you for the transcriptions of the marriage record for barbro and truls. that is exactly what i was looking for- notes or hints about where they might have come from. |
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eibache
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 07:29:21
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Jens Samuelsen left Lærdal and went to Christiania Sept 6 1860, see #44.
Brewery worker Jens Samuelsen and Karen Trulsdatter, Neubergløkken were married Oct 18 1861, see No 23.
The attestation says that
he was the son of Samuel Torkildsen and Anne Roarsdatter, Berget, that he was born in Lærdal March 12 and baptized April 2 1837, confirmed Aug 1 1852,
she was the daughter of Truls Gulbrandsen and Barbro Knudsdatter, born on Modum Dec 24 1833, baptized March 2 1834 and confirmed in Aker April 15 1849.
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eibache
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 12:55:07
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I haven't commented on Samuel Torchelsen and Anna Roarsdatter so far. They were not married and Jens was therefore born out of wedlock = "uægte".
Since Jens and Karen called themself Berg in USA may I assume this to have originated from Jens father who was on Berget when Jens was born?
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JENS SAMUELSEN, B 1837 & KAREN TRULSDATTER, B 1833
