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normcook
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New Zealand
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 Posted - 08/01/2013 : 11:21:17
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Hello - My name is Norm Cook and I am trying to resolve the arrival of my forebears to New Zealand. There are indications that my great grandmother. Mina Jansen travelled on the "Shakespeare",under command of Capt H.D.Jorgensen, boarding in Hamburg on the 8th October 1875 and arriving in Wellington, New Zealand on the 24 January 1876.
There does not appear to be any registration of this vessel or it's origin. There is however archival evidence of a new "Shakespeare" an iron barque built in 1876 by R.& J. Evans & Co., Liverpool. Dimensions 191'8" x 19'2" and launched at the Evens shipyard for E.C.Friend & Co., Liverpool. This vessel, on the 24 October 1930, was wrecked at Norrskar on voyage from Pitea with cargo for London.
It appears strange to me that there would be two vessels of the same name on the sea at the same time. Am I wrong in assuming this, or didn't it matter back in 1876 ?
Does anyone have information on the former vessel in particular, as it's dates are close to corresponding to the dates that I have at present.
I have noticed that this forum site has the first "Shakespeare" listed as sailing from Hamburg and arriving in New Zealand on the 22nd February 1876, this is a discrepancy of around four weeks.
Looking forward to any information that folk may have on these vessels.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/01/2013 : 13:16:18
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Info from Evening post New Zealand tells Shakespeare with captain Jørgensen arrived Jan. 24. 1876, see 2. ship from bottom link
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/01/2013 : 13:58:12
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Have you seen this topic?
Mina Jansen is on page 3.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 08/01/2013 14:05:04 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2013 : 14:03:09
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The caveat on the page is this:
"The information listed above is not the complete record of the ship. The information was collected from a multitude of sources, ..."
Don't know specifically which source led to the use of 22 Feb 1876 but I understand that a lot of the arrival data is drawn from newspaper accounts of arrivals and not necessarily arrival data in the local paper to the arrival. So a typo of 3 little letters Feb vs Jan in a paper reporting data from another paper, from another paper and so on, could have led to this. |
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normcook
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New Zealand
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Posted - 09/01/2013 : 04:31:47
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Thank you both for your information and leads, since posting this I went onto the google site and noticed a couple of requests from people wanting information on the same vessel apparently it made to visits to the USA on a regular basis, so I am about to contact them and see if they any leads.
Thanks
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vivi
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Norway
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Posted - 09/01/2013 : 08:46:50
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Hi
Is this the ship you are looking for? (Only in Norwegian):
SHAKESPEARE ex tysk s.n.1853/54Richmond, Maine, USA
Nasjonalitet:
Norsk
Type:
Fullrigger / Bark
Materiale:
Tre
Byggeår:
1853/54
Verft:
Chas Heger
Byggested:
Richmond, Maine, USA
Tonnasje:
648 brt, 613 netto
Mål:
148,8 - 31,0 - 19,9
Ombygginger:
Ombygget 1885. Forandret til bark.
Hjemsted:
Larvik 1877-91 Kristiania 1891- Glemmen, Fredrikstad 1900-13
Eiere:
H. M. Singdahlsen -1885 M. Oppen 1885-89 (1877) L. Hansen 1891, 1897 (A/S Shakespeare) O. A. Johansen 1900-13 (A/S Shakespeare)
Skipsførere:
A. Hansen 1877 Hans Ludv. Meyer S. Andersen 1889- A. Jansen 1897, 1891 Aug. Henriksen 1900-13
Farter:
Trelastfart på Canadas østkyst?Østersjøfart
Endelig skjebne:
Sundsvall - London. Splitved. Havari. Innkom Stavanger, lekk 1913 13/1. Kondemnert 1913 /1.
Andre opplysninger:
Strandet 1908 5/11 på Saltholm på reise Skellefteå - London. Trelast. Refloated 6/11.
I found the above information here. (You have to "click" on: SHAKESPEARE ex tysk s.n.):
http://www.marmuseum.no/no/?module=Search&action=publicSearch&qtype=Articles.Article&qroot=39&templatefolderid=39&onlyPublic=true&lang=no&pagesize=5&_ips_encoding=utf-8&query=Shakespeare |
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normcook
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New Zealand
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Posted - 10/01/2013 : 09:29:05
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| Thank you Vivi for this, you may well have found it. One of the maritime historians here also suggested it may well have been been built and possible registered in the USA., but he wasn't certain and was going to seek additional information from some of his overseas contacts. Will keep you all posted. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/01/2013 : 10:07:11
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There were Jansen onboard Shakespeare on the 1876 journey from Hamburg to New Zealand.
Mina Jansen left Oslo Sept. 22. 1875 dest. Hamburg together with three girls, lastname (Karen Kristine) Olsen, (Hilda Mathilde) Hansen and (Mathilde Amalie) Kleprig (Klepsich)
You will finde the same lastnames in the passenger list for Shakespeare link
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Mike Alexander
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New Zealand
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normcook
Starting member
New Zealand
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Posted - 13/01/2013 : 21:46:15
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Thank you Kaarto and Mike for your information,which I shall add to the compilation. As luck would have I had found reference in NZ archives. What we can accept as fact, with Barbara L's wonderful input, that it was indeed the "Skakespeare", but was Great grandfather, Reinart Gabreilsen Johansen also on that vessel as a crew member ?
My Grandmother, referred to her father as having been a "naughty boy" and jumped ship. This indicates to me that he was a crew member. If so, maybe he signed on in Americia. We have still to follow up on the USA side of the family, which I hope to start on next few days.
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normcook
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New Zealand
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Posted - 13/01/2013 : 22:42:48
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| I find it interesting that we know that this vessel was built around 1852/53 by a Chas Heger, Richmond USA, as a fully rigged vessel but can not find records of the owner or it's early history for 10 years, until it turns up on the register's in 1862. What was it used for in those early years, where did it go ? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/01/2013 : 02:26:20
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Well, there may be source for some information concerning the earlier dates of the ship at www.genealogybank.com. This is a for pay site for the full complete articles but snippet views are what you get for free.
Choose the search options in the newspaper archives rather than the home page search engine. Input Shakespeare for the last name, limit by date 1852-1880 and you will have something like 33000 entries. Then select from the choices of record types from the left hand column for "passenger lists" and the number will come down to about 300 references for vessels of the name Shakespeare.
The earliest two I saw were this one from the San Francisco Evening Journal dated 28 July 1853 which said "Ship Shakespeare, Hayden, Callao, Crosby & Dibbice" Hayden is likely the captain, Callao the destination and the owners Crosby & Dibbice. I don't know if this is the same ship as yours but kind of interesting anyway.
The next early reference I saw was this from the New York Herald-Tribune dated 9 Sept 1856 "... The new clipper ship Shakespeare 1400 tons... is now on the Balance Dock receiving her frist suit of copper..."
I didn't go through all 300 references but you get the idea. And it is possible that there is more than one ship named Shakespeare, certainly there might be a clipper ship or a steamer or bark, different classifications, of the same name. Your ship itself may have had a different name at the beginning than during the 1870s |
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normcook
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New Zealand
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Posted - 14/01/2013 : 05:06:25
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| Thank you for this lead. Since starting this exercise, I have discovered the existence of at least one other "Shakespear"(without an E on the end of the name) and appears to have been constructed for the cargo trade. I believe this particular vessel may have been of steel construction. The photo that is associated with the "Shakespeare" was also attached to this file information. I will contact the Gallery concerned for verification if possible. This appears to be a very interesting link. Thanks again. |
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Mike Alexander
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normcook
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New Zealand
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Posted - 15/01/2013 : 07:38:16
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| Hi Mike - I have sent you a email, I will be away for the next week, following up on the USA side of this puzzle. By chance I had a lead to British Boat Yards , and as a result had sent a email to the Heritage Society in Wales, no response yet. |
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normcook
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New Zealand
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Posted - 25/01/2013 : 05:49:43
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Since starting this quest, I have had much valuable information forwarded to me , and I thank you all for that. Being a newcomer to this type of research, I am amazed at the amount of information that is out there, and the number of very well informed people who are willing to assist.
As to the search for the missing "Sailing Ship Shakespeare" - I believe that we may onto the correct vessel.
The "Sailing Ship CINDERELLA" was a square - rigged, three mastered sailing ship, built of steel in NEWPORT - WALES in 1855.
877 Tons 196.4 feet Length x 32.3 feet Beam x 20.4 feet Depth of Hold.
Port of Registry: 1856/57 - 1866/67 - Newport
Port of Survey ; 1856/57 - 1866/67 - Newport
1858/59 - 1866/67 - London
Owner: Mr Bachelor Master: Capt. Williams
Destined Voyages: 1856/57 - 1857/58 - India
1858/58 - 1859/60 - No information
1860/61 - 1862/63 - India
1862/63 - 1866/67 - Australia
On the 5th June 1867, the "CINDERELLA" was purchased in London by Hamburg shipowner, Mr Robert M. Sloman. On the 14th June 1867, the vessel was registered in Hamburg as the "SHAKESPEARE". This was the second of two vessels, both with the same name, owned by that company. Hamburg authorities calculated the vessel at 876 tons, 59.7 meters Long x 9.6 meters Beam x 6.2 meters Depth of hold.
Masters: 1867 - 1869 H.D.Boysen
1869 - 1876 C.M.D. Jorgensen
1876 - 1877 D.Leese
18?? - 1883 H.Petersen
1883 - ?? N.Maass
1886 - P.W.Tetzen
Voyages undertaken from 1886 : 8th June 1868 - London - Hamburg
1867 - ? New York / Antwerp
1867 / 1868 New York / London
1868 - Quebec / London
1868 - 1870 New York
1871 / 1872 Australia / intermediate ports / Amsterdam
1872 / 1874 Queensland / intermediate Ports / Rangoon
1874 / 1875 Dona Francisca / Rangoon
1875 / 1876 Wellington / Peru
1877 / 1883 Cardiff / intermediate ports / Liverpool in 1881 / intermediate ports / Junin, Ghile
1883 / 1886 Valparaisp / intermediate ports / Antwerp
1886 / ?? Brisbane / intermediate ports / ???
It is recorded that a letter from Mr Sloman to the Hamburg authorities dated the 22nd October 1894, notifying them that the SHAKESPEARE had been condemned at Montevideo and apparently sold to Quebracho of Buenos Aires. ( Lloyd's Register of shipping - annual volumes for 1856 /57 through 1866 / 67)
I am waiting on further research being undertaken for me by mebers of the Newport Historical Society. Their information will posted as soon as I have it .
Cheers - Norm
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