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dtang
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 Posted - 26/07/2013 : 18:16:27
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Looking for info on departure(Norway), arrival (NYC) and ship for my grandfather, Jens O (Olsen?) Tang. He was born 28 Apr1862 in Hafslo Co,Norway and emigrated on/about Mar 1882. He eventually settled in Clay Co, Minnesota. He had three sisters who may have come at same time or later; (1) Anna, (2) Sophie,(3) Mary (not sure of exact names).
Jens parents could be Ole Jensen Tang Smedegaard (father) and Anna Olsdatter Tang (mother).
Thanks.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/07/2013 : 18:38:33
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- Jens Olsen Tang b. 1862, dep. Bergen March 10. 1882, Alan line
- Synneve Olsdatter Tang dep. Bergen 1882 with Jens.
- Anne Olsdatter Tang b. 1865, dep. Bergen Mai 8. 1884, American line
- Sofie Olsdatter Tang b. 1863 dep. Bergen March 22. 1895, Cunard Line
The 3/4? sister was Britha b. 1868, no em. rec. found on her.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 26/07/2013 18:51:15 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/07/2013 : 18:42:39
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I believe Tang was Tangstræ,
The father Ole Jensen Smedegaard, Cottager and tree shoe-maker and family on Tangstræ 1875
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Edited by - Kåarto on 26/07/2013 18:53:51 |
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eibache
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Posted - 26/07/2013 : 21:10:45
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Jens parents was Ole Jensen and Anna Olsdatter, Alme, see bapt record #37.
The parents were married May 13 1856, see #3, Ole Jensen was born at Løengen or Smedegaard, his father was Jens Olsen. Anna Olsdatter was born at a place under Tang and her father was Ole Olsen.
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Edited by - eibache on 27/07/2013 20:38:15 |
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dtang
Junior member
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Posted - 26/07/2013 : 22:19:30
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Thanks!!! It will take me some time to follow up on this quick and valuable info. I don't read Norwegian so takes me awhile to translate to get basic info. I'm sure I will have more questions.
1. I received error messages when I attempted to open link #37 (bapt record).
2.. Am I correct that "born at a place under Smedegaarg (Tang, Tangstrae)" means "on the farm named" Smedegaard (Tang, Tangstrae)? Does the name "Ole Jensen Smedegaard" means Ole son of Jens born on the farm name Smedegaard (at Løengen)?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/07/2013 : 23:41:17
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Einar will fix the link to #37.
Tang was a abbr. for Tangtræ 1875, probably called Tang in the every day speech.
In 1910 the farm was called Tang.
Jens mother Anne Olsdatter occ. "Husmandskone" Cottager-wife, lived there as widow with her daughter Britha born 1866, she helped her mother in the house.
Ole Jensen (the father) was born on Løengen "el" or? Smedegaard.
Hmmmmm, it seems like he or the priest was not sure on which farm he was born, but used as name Ole Jensen Smedegaard, the mother Anne Olsdatter was from Tang and in 1910 she was named Anne Olsdatter Tang.
Ole Jensen and Anna Olsdatter was on Smedegaard with 4 children 1865
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Edited by - Kåarto on 27/07/2013 00:46:02 |
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eibache
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 20:36:20
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Link #37 is now corrected.
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Edited by - eibache on 27/07/2013 20:36:51 |
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dtang
Junior member
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Posted - 30/07/2013 : 21:24:56
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Einar- I was able to open #37...thanks.
1. Is #37 a birth or bapt record? You referred to it as a bapt record, but the only date shown is 28 Apr 1862 which is the date of birth for Jens Tang.
2. Is there a source that gives the translation (English) for the headings that appear in the various types of church records? I am having a hard time reading/translating some.
3. I cannot make out the exact names of persons listed. Parents godparents,,? Can you help translate for me.
4. As I understand it, the church records would be maintained in a "main parish" which would be "Hafslo" . Is there is also a "local parish" (actual church) and are these located in specific towns/communities? I'm not sure I'm asking this correctly.
5. Was the "Tang" farm (#55) a "main farm" (matrikkelgader), a subdivision (bruk), or a "cotter"? The Census (1865,1910) seems to indicate they were the owner?
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eibache
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Posted - 30/07/2013 : 22:10:25
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1. In this case the baptismal record gives both the date for birth, 28 April and the date for baptism in the church, here "do." meaning same date as the record above being 4 Mai in Hafslo Church.
2. You may find this useful, link.
3. Parents Cottager Ole Jensen and wife Anna Olsdatter at Alme.
Godparents: Bachelor Johannes Hermundsen, wife Christiane Jensdatter, Alme, maiden Marie Hermundsdatter, Lomheim, Peder Anderen, Alme, bachelor Lars Olsen, Tang.
4. In the churchbooks for Hafslo local parish church is indicated together with the baptism date, example H (Hafslo), U (Urnes), F (Fet).
5. I don't have any general answer to this question, sorry.
Info in censuses and churchbooks could be used in each case.
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dtang
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 15:36:26
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Einar
The link is very helpful and , and thanks for translating the names!
Under the date 4 May (4 Mai) in entry No. 36 there are two letters . The 1st is an H (Hafslo), but don't understand the second. The second letter seems to be be the same for all bapt dates . Does this stand for "parish?' H(Hafslo) Parish, F(Fet) Parish, U(Urnes) Parish?
No need to apologize for my Tang farm question. Getting 4/5 is a pretty good batting average.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 19:34:13
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Iver Nielsen´s Tang was a main farm, the other tang farms were cottagers.
Difficult words to translate.
Matrikkel is another word for Farm register (Cadastre) and "Skylda" (Value) accounting for 1/6 of the farm`s annual return formed the basis for purchase and sale of a farm or by inheritance and formed the basis for taxation.
Until 1838 the value was estimated in hides, calfskin, grain, butter etc.
One hide was valued to 4 Daler.
One Laup buttter, 15,4 Kg was valued to 3 Daler.
Ca 7 Kg grain was valued 3 Daler
Some cultivars varying from district to district, and varied over the centuries.
This Daler was named Skylddaler. One Skylddaler was 5 Ort and one Ort was 24 Shilling.
Fantastic nice handwriting.
Matrikkel 1838 for Hafslo.
Northern Bergenhuus county, Sogn´s Bailiff district, Solvorn (in Luster municipality) juridical district, Hafslo "Præstegjeld" Parish.
Tang is farm nr 22....36 (Old Matrikkel nr) Tang......51 (new Matrikkel nr.) Owner/User Iver Nielsen....... - 1 2 (old measurement where the value was estimated in "Smør" Butter..... (New value in Daler, Ort and Shilling) 6 Daler 4 Ort and 1 Shilling)...(Sum) 6 Daler 4 Ort and 1 Shilling
Iver Nielsen Tang also farmed nr 9; Ugulsvik (Veitastrond subparish, Hafslo)
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jwiborg
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 19:47:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
Fantastic nice handwriting.
Matrikkel 1838 for Hafslo.
Kåre
This is not handwriting, but printed letters. 
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Kåarto
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 20:25:25
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
Fantastic nice handwriting.
Matrikkel 1838 for Hafslo.
Kåre
This is not handwriting, but printed letters.
Jan Peter
Really, that explain the nice letters
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dtang
Junior member
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Posted - 31/07/2013 : 23:38:09
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All,
These exchanges (and links) have been provided a wealth of info to help me "fill in the gaps" in my Norwegian heritage. I feel comfortable attempting to find and decipher church and census records. I cannot thank you all enough for your efforts and time. I hope my questions do not become burdensome.
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dtang
Junior member
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Posted - 01/08/2013 : 00:29:39
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Kåre (all),
Kåre,
1. Were "cottagers" considered "tenet" farmers (renters from main farm) or worked for (and paid by ) the main farm , but given (rented) a house (cottage) ?
2. Could more than one Tang family be on same Tang (cottager) farm or farms? For example, could Jens, g parents (paternal or maternal), uncles, etc. be living on the same farm (Tang).
The 1865 census shows only 6 people. In other words, how would you know there were more than one direct descendents (gg parents, ..) living on the main Tang farm (s) or how to find where they were originally from (county, municipality, parish, farm)? I believe I have found a number of names "Tang" in the 1801 (1838?) census.
Doug
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Hopkins
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