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SandraSeverson
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 Posted - 06/10/2013 : 23:34:52
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In the 1801 census Jacob Pedersen is listed as being 11 years old. His parents are Peder Andersen and Ingeborg Stenersdtr. The gard/hus is Kiendalen. I think I found his birth record but not sure of the date. I think the actual birth date is 10 Jan 1790 which agrees with the census.
Source information: Telemark county, Eidanger, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1764-1814), Birth and baptism records 1790, page 62.
I found a death record on FindAGrave which lists his birth on gravestone as 1789. He died in Scandinavia, Waupaca, WIsconsin. The name on the stone is Jacob Pedersen KjendalIn. Am I incorrect on his birth date? The years don't match. The last name on stone is very close to gard/hus name so I am thinking that They are the same person.
Thanks for any help I may get.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/10/2013 : 23:37:38
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Jacob Pedersen Kjendalen @ solumslekt.org
10 Jan 1790 is the christening date, so he is prob. born in Autumn 1789.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 06/10/2013 23:41:27 |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 06/10/2013 : 23:51:22
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| Jan - thank you. That was a quick response. So I must have the correct person's death here in Wisconsin. Now I will look for when he came to USA. I will be in Waupaca, WI next week and will stop at Scandinavia Lutheran Church to see what else I can find out about him. Thanks again. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 00:10:15
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Have you seen this?
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 00:12:17
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| I must correct something. I meant Jacob Pedersen not Jacobsen Pedersen in the re: line but I don't know how to correct that. |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 00:25:45
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Jan, I have not seen that. That should certainly help me tracing this branch of the family.
Thanks for the link.
Jacob Pedersen Kiendalen is my husbands 3x great grandfather so this is exciting information for me. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 00:58:48
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Here are some farm history from eidangerslekt.org
It says Jacob was married twice, and died 1869 on the Kjendalen farm.... I did a quick look in the church record, but couldn't see his burial. Can't find in him in census-1865 either.
"III. Jacob Pedersen, f. 1790 på Ødegården i Eidanger, døpt 10.01.1790 i Eidanger kirke, konfirmert 12.10.1806 i Eidanger kirke, d. 1869 på Kjendalen i Eidanger."
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 02:09:59
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| Jan, the information I have is that Jacob Pedersen migrated to the USA between 1850 and 1854 to Scandinavia, WI. This is from a family tree that was done in 1972 by another member of my husbands family. He married Kari Olsdatter and one of their children was Martha Maria Jacobsdatter, born 21 Mar 1824 in Norway. I hope I am following the right Jacob Pedersen Kjendalen. I need to find out if Jacob did migrate to the U.S. I will go to the Scandinavia Cemetery and the Scandinavia Lutheran Church to see what I can find out. Could it be possible that 2 men with the same name were born and died at the same time and one died in Norway and one in Wisconsin? What would the chances of that be? Hope I can solve this one. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 16:14:04
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The source on the family tree for Jacob's place of death is Bygdebok for Eidanger (see notes on the tree) and the original should be checked. Maybe the family tree is mistaken about him dying in Norway as the same person appears to be buried in Wisconsin. (Jacob Pedersen Kjendalen 1789-1869.)
A reference to Jacob Peterson Kjendalen here ("Two Men of Old Waupaca" by Malcolm Rosholt):
"On July 7, 1854, [97] he bought 7 cents’ worth of fishing line, and the next day he sold Knoph 6 pounds of pickerel for 24 cents. Jacob Peterson Kjendalen, who lived north of Silver Lake, may have heard about Reine’s luck. On July 14 he came in for 2 cents’ worth of fishhooks."
http://www.naha.stolaf.edu/pubs/nas/volume22/vol22_3.html
Scandinavia is located on the west side of Silver Lake in Waupaca County:
http://www.lakeplace.com/lakefinder/wi/waupaca/silver/198900
Another mention of Jacob Kjendalen in the Rosholt article: "In June 1854, Jacob Kjendalen rented the horse and buggy for two persons for a trip to Stevens Point, about twenty miles from Scandinavia."
Would be nice to find him in census to confirm that this Jacob was born circa 1790. The name "Kjendalen" does not show up in the 1860 US census and no "Jacob" or "Jakob" born ca 1790 in Norway shows up in Waupaca County that year [in Ancestry.com databases]. "Sorn" Jacobsen b 1829 and Ole Jacobsen b 1820 appear and other Jacobsens as well.
Church or cemetery records may tell if this "burial" is a memorial only (a cenotaph) and not a burial place. Find a Grave describes the marker as "a new stone" so it is conceivable.
Ample evidence in the US census and in the burials at Scandinavia Cemetery and in other sources show Jacob's children Ole, Anders, and Søren. For example, another article on the NAHA site Søren Kjendalen is mentioned as being in Scandinavia, Waupaca, Wisconsin. The same Jacob Pedersen Kjendalen under discussion had a son Søren. In records of land ownership in the county, Søren Kjendalen might be the person indexed as "S J Kjendahlen."
Could this be Ole immigrating?
1852
Name: Ole Jacobsen Kjeldalen
Sex: m
Remarks: Residence Eidanger
Passenger on: Ship Bolivar 1852, from Porsgrunn June 19 to Quebec Aug. 6
Source: Newspaper Correspondenten September 15, 1852 - Transcribed by Trond Austheim & Børge Solem - 2001
The children's births as noted on their tombstones can be checked with births in Norway to confirm its the same family in Scandinavia, Wisconsin. From Find-a-Grave:
Ole Jacobson Kjendalen b 1820
Anders Jacobson Kjendalen b Dec. 4, 1827
Søren Jacobson Kjendalen b Feb. 2, 1831
An alternate memorial on Find-a-Grave for Anders lists him as Anders Jacobson (b Dec 4 1827). He served in the Civil War.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=38303897&PIpi=46864517
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Edited by - JaneC on 08/10/2013 17:39:06 |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 18:14:34
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Jane- thank you for all the work you have done on this. I thought the grave marker was different from others I have seen. On Thursday I am going to spend the day in Waupaca at the court house and at the Scandinavia Lutheran Church. If I still have time I will go to the Scandinavian Cemetery. I have been to the church and cemetery before but for a different group of relatives. I didn't know anything about Jacob Pedersen at that time. Jan Peter has done some looking into this also. He couldn't find the death of Jacob and also Jacob was not in the 1865 census. Hopefully my trip will help in solving this one.
Again, thanks to both you and Jan Peter for looking into this. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 18:53:00
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You are welcome. We'll be interested to hear what you discoveer.
Below is a link with a mention of Jacob in a history of Scandinavia, Wisconsin:
"Jacob Pederson Kjendalen from Eidanger (1790-1869) & w Kari. They had three sons, Soren, married to Anne Juv (1835-84); Anders (1827-75) & w Anne Olstad; & Ola & w Lena -- they had three daughters." At least two daughters of Jacob also lived in Scandinavia and are mentioned separately - Ragnild Marie (m. Hans Andersen Tveitan) and Martne Marie (m. Christian Olsen Oksum).
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INDIAN LAND By Thor Helgeson 1842-1928, Iola, Wisconsin
http://www.mainstreet-marketplace.com/Indianland.htm
An index of names, including Kjendalen, from "From The Indian Land " by Malcolm Rosholt
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wispags/resources/data-indianland.html
I think Jacob is Jacob Person Kjendalen on the above list.
It certainly seems as if "your" Jacob and wife Kari/Karen ("Anne Karen" on the tombstone inscription) lived in Scandinavia. They could have returned to Norway, but that seems unlikely since so many of their children lived in Scandinavia.
Good luck! 
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Edited by - JaneC on 07/10/2013 21:34:28 |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 20:48:29
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| I will be sure to post the results of my trip to Scandinavia, Wisconsin. I hope this sheds some light on the subject of Jacob Pedersen Kjendalen . Thanks again to both you and Jan Peter. |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 07/10/2013 : 22:02:41
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Jane, take a look at this record. Do you think this might be migration record of this family? Source information: Telemark county, Eidanger in Eidanger, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1831-1858), Migration records 1853, page 326.
Marthe Maria Jacobsdatter is the daughter of Jacob Pederson Kjendalen according to what I have in my tree. Her mother is Karen(Kari) Olsdatter. The first person listed for 1852 for America appears to have the name Kjendalen. It appears that there might be some of the other names also, such as Soren and Anders. I am not sure of reading the names correctly. If you get a chance see what you think. Thanks |
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JaneC
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 00:27:50
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Hi - Sandra would you post the link? Thanks!
Okay - I'm back. I think I'm looking at the same record you mean. I have a hard time reading the old script.
Hold on...think I see them...
June 1852. Bound for America.
Maren Berthea age 37
Marthe Marie age 28
Ragnhild age 18
Anders age 25 - f. 4/12 27 (born 04 December 1827)
Søren age 21 - f 4/2 31 (born 04 February 1831)
And yes those are names of Jacob Pedersen Kjendalen children. - and yes the ages are correct - and that is the birth date for Anders as listed on the Find a Grave memorial in Wisconsin, and the birth date for Søren is very close.
They are listed together (the word "og" - which means "and" - links them) and noted as the family of the couple above them on the list:
Jacob Olsen (?) Kjendalen age 63 - making him born ca 1789
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Karen Olsdatter age 60 - making her born ca 1792, which is correct for Karen Olsdatter Oklungen.
This must be the family - despite the name "Olsen" for Jacob (or maybe I am misreading that, although I don't think I am)
Good lord - now I see Ole Jacobsen and wife Lena and four children above on the list, also noted as being of the same family ("af Jacob Olsen Kjendalen and ... Karen Olsdatter")
Ole Jacobsen age 32 - born about 1820
Lena Olsdatter age 32 - born about 1820
Karen Marie age 10
Ina Olea age 7
Jacob age 5
Ole Petter age 3
Yes, those are the oldest children (correct names and ages) of "your" Ole Jacobsen Kjendalen, who was born ca 1820, and his wife Oline "Lena" Olsdatter, who was born ca 1821.
WOO HOO! 
(and the possible emigration newspaper article I posted for Ole was also June 1852) |
Edited by - JaneC on 08/10/2013 01:57:46 |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 01:18:04
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| Jane - Yeah!!! I will still go to Waupaca and Scandinavia. I love doing the research. As for posting the link, I don't know how to do that. I would be easier for people to see what I am looking at. Thank you so much for your help. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 03:16:44
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Good to hear, Sandra. Maybe you can even find the Kjendalen home site....
The emigration record you found would be the family registering to leave their home parish. We know they were on the ship Bolivar that departed from Porsgrunn 19 June 1852 and arrived Quebec 06 August, because Ole's name appeared in the index to a newspaper article about that arrival (posted above).
Apparently the article was a letter sent to the Skien newspaper "Correspondenten" and printed September 1852. The letter praised the Bolivar and her captain (the Bolivar was a brand new ship, so probably it was good idea to advertise its charms). The letter was signed by a number of passengers, including - wait for it - "Jacob Peersen Kjeldalen and Ole Jacobsen Kjeldalen from Eidanger" !
And here's a link that tells about that specific voyage, about the well-equipped Bolivar and her likable captain, and about the safe arrival of all in the New World:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wijuneau/ejohnson/pafn08.htm
And now I see a transcription of this letter and an accompanying image are posted on this website:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=boliv
You might want to take another look at the handwriting in that emigration registration. Jacob Olsen (?) Kjendalen might be Jacob Person Kjendalen.
From the accounts in the histories of Waupaca county, it seems Jacob Pedersen Kjendalen headed to Scandinavia, Wisconsin, perhaps immediately but at least by spring 1854. This link maybe shows him as "Jacob Pedersen ?????" in the 1855 Wisconsin state census:
http://www.wigenweb.org/waupaca/Census/1855/1855Scan.htm
The 1865 Wisconsin state census for Waupaca county was destroyed by fire.
This person may be your husband's cousin, as she is probably a descendant of Anders Jacobsen Kjendalen ( she has only a very few memorials on Find-a-Grave, including the one for Anders that is named "Andrew Jacobson" born 04 Dec 1827, died 04 Oct 1875, buried in Scandinavia Cemetery):
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=47369622
Just as for Anders/Andrew, Soren also has two memorials on Find-a-grave. One lists him as Soren Jacobson Kjendalen, the other simply as Soren Jacobson. Same person, in Scandinavia Cemetery.
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