James N. Sandvigen

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Topic author: dwssnell
Subject: James N. Sandvigen
Posted on: 16/11/2012 09:37:32
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I have been looking in the Norwegian records for birth, confirmation and emigration information on James N. Sandvigen, born 1866 in Norway, and died 1945 in Seattle, WA.
I don't know what the N. stands for. I have found his naturalization record in America, but nothing that matches up in Norway. I have been looking for Jens born 1866, but nothing has really matched up. Any suggestions for finding him in Norway?

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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 16/11/2012 12:04:55
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Info in the naturalization record would be of interest to know.
Sandvigen could be a farmname, found in Rogaland and Vest Agder. As a rural name it exists several places.

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 16/11/2012 13:48:28
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Info varies -

In King Co. WA 1900 - James H. Sanvingen - born Jun 1866, imm. 1888 (middle initial is almost impossible to decipher, might be an N)
King Co. WA 1910 - James Sandevigan - 40 yrs old, imm. 1885
King Co. WA 1920 - James N. Sandvigen - 53 yrs old, imm. 1890
King Co. WA 1930 - James W Sendvigen , 63 yrs old, imm. 1886
King Co. WA 1940 - James N. Sandvigen, 74 yrs old

Two eldest sons born to James and Anna/Annie -- Gilbert T (1893) and Ingvall (1896)

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 16/11/2012 14:12:35
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His middlename is N, LINK

James was not common in Norway, but in 1865 there were 70 James in Norway.

A shot in the dark if he kept the initials.
James N - Jens/Jahn/Johan/John/Jacob/Jeremias N. (N for Nilsen, Narvesen, Nicolaisen??)

Father N. Sandvigen?

Kåre

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/11/2012 15:07:14
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In Nordmændene i Amerika there is a listing of a J.N. Sandvigen, pg 903 of Volume 2:

"Sandvigen, J.N. udv. fra Aadalen 1887, hotelforettning i Seattle, Wash. siden 1892."

Sandvigen, J.N. migrated from Aadalen in 1887, hotel work or proprietor in Seattle, Washington, since 1892.

Is this your guy?

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 16/11/2012 15:44:22
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Hotel work matches what I saw in US censuses.

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 16/11/2012 15:55:00
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Jens Nilsen - born June 1866 Buskerud fylke, Ådal

Buskerud fylke, Ådal, Ministerialbok nr. I 1 (1857-1883), Fødte og døpte 1866, side 51.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5911&idx_id=5911&uid=ny&idx_side=-54
Record #66

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 16/11/2012 16:35:13
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Originally posted by Hopkins

Jens Nilsen - born June 1866 Buskerud fylke, Ådal

Buskerud fylke, Ådal, Ministerialbok nr. I 1 (1857-1883), Fødte og døpte 1866, side 51.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5911&idx_id=5911&uid=ny&idx_side=-54
Record #66

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 16/11/2012 16:59:11
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Bachelor Jens Nilsen b. 1866 em. from Viker sub parish in Ådal Mai 9.1887, right page #6

Kåre

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 16/11/2012 18:31:42
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The Naturalization Record does not have any new information to add. According to the document he made his application to become an American citizen on November 5,, 1888 in the Dakota Territories. His middle initial here is also N.

Selected U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1790-1974
Name: James N Sandvigen
State: Washington
Court Type: Superior Court
Court Location: King County, Washington
Naturalization Record Type: Naturalization Case Files

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 16/11/2012 18:38:30
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Probably the arrival of Jens into the US. The original manifest reads Aadalen.

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Jens Nilsen
Arrival Date: 10 Jun 1887
Birth Date: abt 1867
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Place of Origin: Aadale,Norway
Port of Departure: Christiania, Norway and Christiansand, Norway and Copenhagen, Denmark
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Hekla

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 16/11/2012 18:51:36
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There is a Family Tree on Ancestry.com owned by drewjevans that has this family.


James Nelson Sandvigen
Birth 6/28/1866 in Aadalin Ringerike Norway (Sandvigen Farm)
Death 10/8/1945 in Seattle, King, WA, USA

Father is listed as
Nils Jensen Moen
Birth 3/10/1839 in Norway
Death

Mother is listed as Gunhilda Thorsen

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 16/11/2012 18:58:21
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That's it! Jens Nilsen Sandvigen from Ådal. Thank you so much to all of you that searched ! That's unbelievable, as I was in Ådal. this summer and at the Viker church. The same church where my g. grandmother was baptized and confirmed. Wish I had known it then, I would have tried to find the farm.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 16/11/2012 19:40:25
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Its a small world.
Probably still relatives lives in Ådal.

Gunnhilds sister Tonette age 10 in 1865 on Sandvigen married Fredrik Fredriksen and settled down on Sandviken, 3 children in 1900, her father widower Thor Nilsen b. 1818 lived on the farm as "Kaarmand"

Jens/James Nilsen had a halfbrother with the same name, b. August 14. 1869, both named after their grandfather Jens Nilsen Vikermoen age 66 in 1865, see #54
Jens Nilsen Sandvigens parents never married, his father Nils Jensen Vikermoen married Kari Torkildsdatter b. 1843.
They got a son Jens Nilsen Vikermoen in 1868.

Jens Nilsen married Karoline Andersdatter b. 1869 and takes over Vikermoen, two daughters, Kari and Anne in 1900 and Jens Vikermoens mother Kari Torkildsdatter.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 16/11/2012 20:13:03
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My g. g. grandfather was Elling Fredriksen Ringerud. I visited the Ringerud farm and the Bergsund farm (where my g. grandmother (Anne Ellingsdatter Bergsundeie) was born in 1845. After her father's death she emigrated to America in 1861 with her mother, Ingeri Ostensdatter (second wife of Elling) and her sister Berit, and married my g. grandfather, Elling Pedersen Enger, in Wisconsin. I will have to look up Fredrik Fredriksen. Maybe they were related!

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 17/11/2012 16:12:33
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Originally posted by lyndal40

The Naturalization Record does not have any new information to add. According to the document he made his application to become an American citizen on November 5,, 1888 in the Dakota Territories. His middle initial here is also N.

Selected U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1790-1974
Name: James N Sandvigen
State: Washington
Court Type: Superior Court
Court Location: King County, Washington
Naturalization Record Type: Naturalization Case Files

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 17/11/2012 22:11:19
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Originally posted by Kåarto

Its a small world.
Probably still relatives lives in Ådal.

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Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 17/11/2012 22:39:17
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Thank you so much! Is Vikermoen near the Viker church? I visited Ringerud and Bergsund this summer, and the Viker church.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 17/11/2012 22:54:04
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Vikermoen is ca 200 yds north from Viker Church, across the road and close to lake Sperillen
Enter this map, write Vikermoen, Ringerike and click on Søk.

Good luck.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 17/11/2012 23:08:03
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Thank you JK Marler. I am so happy to have found him. Now I am looking for his wife (they married in 1892 in Seattle). She was Anne Moi (Moe), birth 1870 in Norway, died 1931 Seattle. The 1920 census says she immigrated in 1890, and the 1930 census says 1888, which is when he immigrated. A family tree on ancestry says that she was born 11/29/1870 in Tjomeland, Lyngdal, Moi, Norway near Moi, Norway Lutheran Church. I found a Moi in Rogaland but I didn't find a birth that matched the description in 1870. There is also Lyngdal in Vest-Augder. Her obituary gave her name as Anne Moe Sandvigen. Another mystery! I found an Anna Moe (looks like Moi on the original list) with an arrival date of 3 Aug 1888, but it gives her birth date as "about 1866" which would be 4 years off. That was on the ship Geiser.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 17/11/2012 23:16:10
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Karen Jensdatter Vikermoen b. 1896 married 1915 Ole Pedersen Maribo 1887-1973:
children;
- Elise Karoline 1916-1985 married 1937 Alfinn Andersen Østereng b. 1014, a dau.Karin 1951, recidence Ådal
- Karoline 1919
- Per 1924-1991

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 17/11/2012 23:29:32
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Thank you Kåarto!

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 17/11/2012 23:32:27
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Originally posted by dwssnell

Thank you so much! Is Vikermoen near the Viker church? I visited Ringerud and Bergsund this summer, and the Viker church.

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 17/11/2012 23:45:34
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You are welcome:
Both Moi and Moy are used.
Its written Moi on her Gravestone:

11 Moy farms in Fjære municipality, Aust-Agder county, link

4 Moi farms in Lyngdal and 16 farms in Kvinesdal municipalities in Vest-Agder County
15 Moi farms in Lunde and 2 in Helleland municipalities, Rogaland County.

Total 104 persons living on Moi farms in 1865

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 00:08:46
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I will try them all! Thank you.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 18/11/2012 00:22:23
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There were Moi farms in Qvaas (Kvås) Lyngdal.

Anne Severine (Jansdatter) born in Lyngdal Sept. 29. 1970.
Parents; Jan Gabriel Pedersen and Gunnild Tobiasdatter Lene? #53
Kåre

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/11/2012 00:39:09
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Census-1900 says Annie is born January 1872. I think she is born January 12th, 1871.

#4, Anne
Born 12 Jan 1871
Christening, 09 Mar 1871, Kvås in Lyngdal, Vest-Agder, Norway
Parents: Farmer Christian Gundersen & wife Inger Maria Johannesdatter, Tjomeland

Confirmation record #4, 04 Oct 1885, Kvås in Lyngdal, Vest-Agder, Norway
Anne Kristiansdatter
Born 12 Jan 1871
Christening 09 Mar 1871
Born: Tjomeland
Residence: Moi
Parents: Kristian Gundersen & Inger Maria Johannesdatter Tjomeland (under Moi)

Census-1865

Anne Kristiansen from Kvås parish in Lyngdal, leaving Kristiansand on May 31st, 1889. Destination Iowa.
Could she have arrived New York on the "City of Chicago", June 15th, 1889?

Jan Peter

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 01:14:30
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Wow, that's fantastic! I will look them up. The family tree on ancestry says she was born 11/29/1870. There are other trees with this family, too, but I haven't checked them all yet. This is a new search for me. Also her obituary and gravestone say 1870-1931, so I don't really know. I will have to look up the birth record on Digitalarkivet.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/11/2012 01:23:57
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Originally posted by dwssnell

Wow, that's fantastic! I will look them up. The family tree on ancestry says she was born 11/29/1870. There are other trees with this family, too, but I haven't checked them all yet. This is a new search for me. Also her obituary and gravestone say 1870-1931, so I don't really know. I will have to look up the birth record on Digitalarkivet.

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Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 01:29:42
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J wiborg: I do believe you have the right Anne, being born on Tjomeland and living on Moi. The only discrepancy is the birth year as compared to her obituary but I still believe it is the right one. I have found wrong dates in obituaries before, as the information is given by someone else and is not always accurate.

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 01:32:26
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Yes, thank you. I did click the links and I looked at the records. The ship's logger probably wrote down the name the way he thought it sounded.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/11/2012 01:59:24
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Moi, Anne, Born Jan 12 1871 in Tjomeland, Norway, Died Dec 23 1931 in Seattle, King Co, Washington, USA
http://www.tribalpages.com/family-tree/peelfamily

Jan Peter

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 02:14:43
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Wonderful!! I guess that settles it. the ones you found were the right Anne. That is just fantastic!
Norway Heritage.com is the best website for finding relatives because of people like you and the others that responded to the topic. Love you all!

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/11/2012 02:25:00
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From the tribalpages website, it looks like Anne could have had 2 sisters in Washington, and a brother in Alaska.

Jan Peter

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 02:32:16
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I see that, Johanna, Kristina and Lars. I had heard that she had a sister Christine in Washington.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 18/11/2012 02:53:18
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Might be the marriage of one of the sisters.

Washington, Marriage Records, 1865-2004
Name: Johanna K Moi
Spouse: Gustav Melbye
Marriage Date: 3 May 1892
Marriage Place: Pierce
Reference Number: prcmc-vol-1c_m_00297-DA1

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 18/11/2012 03:22:49
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A possible candidate for one of the brothers. Lars to Louie is a fairly common name change.

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Louis K Moi
[Louis K Mui]
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1930: Juneau, First Judicial District, Alaska Territory
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1903
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophie Moi
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Household Members:
Name Age
Louis K Moi 53
Sophie Moi 43
Julia Moi 11
Marie Moi 10
Gilbert Moi 8

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 04:09:57
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I bet it is. Gilbert is a family name also. James N. Sandvigen and Anna Moi had a son named Gilbert Tobias.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 18/11/2012 10:20:08
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There appear to be at least a couple ofl Lars or Lars K Moi. Here is death record of one who died in Washington state in 1950 b abt 1873:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/3AB2854CE379CE34F5D182A0BF1809E0

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/11/2012 11:48:42
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Children of Christian Gundersen & Inger Marie Johannesdr, Tjomeland under Moi, Kvaas in Lyngdal, Vest-Agder, Norway:
Gunder Christiansen,          birth: 15 Sep 1860, christening: 23 Sep 1860, Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway
Johannes Christiansen,        birth: 17 Nov 1861, christening: 15 Dec 1861, Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway
Tarjer Christiansen,          birth: 09 May 1863, christening: 17 May 1863, Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway
Ingeborg Christiansdtr,       birth: 05 May 1865, christening: 11 Jun 1865, Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway
Johanne Christiansdtr,        birth: 30 Dec 1866, christening: 17 Feb 1867, Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway
Berte Christiansdtr,          birth: 15 Dec 1868, christening: 27 Dec 1868, Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway
Anne Christiansdtr,           birth: 12 Jan 1871, christening: 09 Mar 1871, Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway
Lars Imanuel Christiansen,    birth: 18 Jun 1874, christening: 28 Jun 1874, Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway
Kristine Maria Christiansdtr, birth: 23 May 1876, christening: 05 Jun 1876, Kvaas, Vest-Agder, Norway

Jan Peter

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 18/11/2012 14:43:58
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Christian Gundersen, Tjomeland & Inger Marie Johannesdatter, Barstad were married Sept 10 1860, see #3.

Christian Gundersen was born Sept 21 1825, see #6. His parents were Gunder Knudsen, and Ingeborg Larsdatter, Tjomeland.

Inger Marie Johannesdatter was born May 17 1836, see #8. Her parents were Johannes Hoskuldsen and Targjer Reiersdatter, Barstad.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 18/11/2012 14:48:20
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Originally posted by Kåarto


Gunnhilds sister Tonette age 10 in 1865 on Sandvigen married Fredrik Fredriksen and settled down on Sandviken, 3 children in 1900, her father widower Thor Nilsen b. 1818 lived on the farm as "Kaarmand"
Kåre

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Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 17:21:15
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Thank you. I just looked up the definition of "Kaarmand." I had not seen that term before. "An elderly man that is being supported by an allowance of food and living quarters as a form of pension after he had given the farm to his heir." Correct?

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 17:25:03
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Thank you so much again for all of this new information. I am awed!

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 18/11/2012 18:12:31
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Christian Gundersens parents, Gunder Knudsen, Tjomeland and Ingeborg Larsdatter, Kaaveland were married June 20 1818, see #1 on right page.

Gunder Knudsen, his brother and parents in 1801.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 18/11/2012 18:23:18
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Originally posted by dwssnell

Thank you. I just looked up the definition of "Kaarmand." I had not seen that term before. "An elderly man that is being supported by an allowance of food and living quarters as a form of pension after he had given the farm to his heir." Correct?

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 18/11/2012 18:38:34
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[Tonette Thorsdatter Sandvigen 1856-1937 and Fredrik Fredriksen Gryte 1848-1922 on Bjørnerud with 2 of 6 children in 1910

Children;
1) Anne Marie 1876
2) Gunnhild 1878
3) Fredrik 1884
4) Thorvald 1891
5) Karen Tonette 1893
6) Thea 1896
Kåre

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 18/11/2012 21:41:15
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Originally posted by dwssnell

My g. g. grandfather was Elling Fredriksen Ringerud. I visited the Ringerud farm and the Bergsund farm (where my g. grandmother (Anne Ellingsdatter Bergsundeie) was born in 1845. After her father's death she emigrated to America in 1861 with her mother, Ingeri Ostensdatter (second wife of Elling) and her sister Berit, and married my g. grandfather, Elling Pedersen Enger, in Wisconsin. I will have to look up Fredrik Fredriksen. Maybe they were related!

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Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 18/11/2012 23:42:18
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You are kidding me! That means that the two families were related. It really is a small world!! My g. g. grandfather was Elling Fredrikssen Ringerud, born 1789. His father was Fredrik Olssen Ringerud, born 1742/43 and his father was Ole Fredrikssen Ringerud born 1715/16.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/11/2012 00:13:11
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It´s almost unbelievable.

It correspond with the Elsrud (highly reliable) genealogy "Homes and people in Ådalen", all in Norwegian, sorry, the info is here

It looks like Elsrud do not have a home page.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/11/2012 00:24:31
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Here it is.
Elsrud has a book project for Ådal going on, I am sure you can share information with him, most of the info in English, see here

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/11/2012 10:30:21
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The scanned records for Grythe, Ringerud, Sandvigen reg. Fredrik Fredriksen.
Every Christian ceremony was taken place in Viker (Wiger) church

- Fredrik Fredriksen Grythe born Mai 10. 1848 married Tonette Thorsdatter Sandvigen Mai 19. 1876 #9
Fredriks father; Fredrik Olsen Grythe.

- Fredrik Fredriksen born on Grythe Mai 10. 1848 to Fredrik Olsen and Gunnild Olsdatter Grythe, last bap. right page #32

- Fredrik Olsen Ringerud and Gunnild Olsdatter Elsrud married March 16. 1839, couple #3

- Fredrik Olsen born on Ringerud Oct. 4. 1815 to Ole Ringerud and Maria Christiansdatter, left page #15

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 19/11/2012 17:34:26
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Ole Fredriksen Ringerud, married to Maria Christiansdatter, was the oldest brother of my g. g. grandfather Elling Fredriksen Ringerud, don't have his exact birthdate. He first married Berit Pedersdatter who drowned in the Grythe River in 1837. He secondly married my g. g. grandmother, widow Ingrid Ostensedatter, on 20 March 1842. She was born in 1808, confirmed at Viker, previously married to soldier Asle Clemmetsen and had Christian and Gunhild. With Elling Fredriksen she had two daughters, Berit, born 1842, and Anne, born 1845. Elling died in 1861 and Ingrid and her two daughters emigrated to America. Anne married my Elling Pedersen Enger of Eggedal in Wisconsin, 1865. That's how I got here!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/11/2012 17:42:11
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Elling Fredriksen was christened Mai. 30. 1790
Elling Friksen, parents; Frich Ringerud and Giertrud Knudsdatter.

Fredrik Olsen Ringerud bap. Jan. 27. 1743, parents; Ole Fredriksen and Mari Thorsdatter.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 19/11/2012 18:06:00
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According to my records the Ole Fredriksen married to Maria Christiansdatter was age 29 in 1801 and was baptized 14 June 1772. (See Digitalarkivet 1801 census for 0613 Norderhaug living on Ringerud). His father, Fredrik Olsen Ringerud was baptized 27 January 1743. His father Ole Fredriksen was baptized 15 Jan 1716 and buried 29 June 1755. My g. g. grandfather Elling Fredriksen was age 12 in 1801 which would have made his birth in 1789. His older brother Ole Fredriksen was the farmer. Fredrik Olsen Ringerud died in 1799 so Ole had taken over the farm by 1801.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/11/2012 18:33:02
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Originally posted by Kåarto

Elling Fredriksen was christened Mai. 30. 1790
Elling Friksen, parents; Frich Ringerud and Giertrud Knudsdatter.

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Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 19/11/2012 18:39:57
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Thank you! I have been looking for his birth and just knew "about 1789". I just saw the message that Norway Heritage is going to be discontinued. That's awful!!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/11/2012 20:05:45
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[i] I just saw the message that Norway Heritage is going to be discontinued. That's awful!!

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Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 19/11/2012 22:15:50
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This is the best Norwegian genealogy site on the web next tot he digital archives.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/11/2012 23:38:07
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I believe that hundreds have been helped here.
As a volunteer it has given a lot back in return of gratitude from those who have been helped.
We can only hope there is a solution so that Norway Heritage may continue.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 19/11/2012 23:54:36
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I certainly hope so. I would be willing to contribute something each month. I can't do a lot, but if enough people would do it--maybe by pledge or whatever--it could work. I have contributed on an irregular basis before, but not regularly. I just don't think about it until I need it!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 20/11/2012 00:00:03
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A last posting reg. Jens Nilsen Sandvigen.
His confirmation in Viker church July 17. 1881.
His grades;
Reading 3
Explonation 2 1/2
Bible history 3
Diligence 3-
Ability 2 1/2
No info on where he lived, most likely Sandvigen, seems like he was born on Vikermoen. Vaccinated July 17. 1867.
1. page #7

Still missing when his mother Gunnild Thorsdatter Sandvigen died.
That could be the main reason for his emigration in 1887.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 20/11/2012 00:31:45
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Add. info.
Grythe was a subfarm under Ringerud, separated 1838. Owner was Ole Fredriksen Ringerud.
His son Fredrik (Frek) takes over Grythe 1839. When Fredrik died 1884 his wife Gunnild Olsdatter owned the farm in ca 3-4 years before she split Grythe in two equal parts, daughter Gunhild got the southern part and the son Christian got the northern part.
Bjørnerud owned by a son Fredrik Fredriksen and Tonette Thorsdatter Sandvigen in 1900 was first a sub farm under Grythe.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 20/11/2012 00:46:39
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Thank you! This summer we had a nice visit with the wife of Ole Olsen Ringerud. Inger Lise Grimsrud. He was on the mountain and she was taking care of 7500 hens. They sell eggs all over the area. They are now the 11th generation of the same family on Ringerud, and the 12th, their son Ole Olsen Ringerud, will take it over next. She brought out her family papers, and also showed us the rock where the Dog King Ring was tied! It is such a beautiful farm, right on the banks of Lake Sperillen.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 20/11/2012 12:41:08
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You are welcome.
It must have been very special to walk on your forefathers land when you live so fare away.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 20/11/2012 16:19:48
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Yes, a great thrill. I still have farms to find the next time, such as Saeterbakken and Nordhagen in Ringsaker. Last summer I also visited Torgersrud and Skogen in East Gausdal and the Faaberg Church. Thank you so much for all of your help.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 20/11/2012 22:23:49
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Don´t forget the new farms in Ådal, you seems to be related to the "whole Ådal"

We visited Gausdal in August with family from Wisconsin looking for farm Berge and others and also visited the church and the cemetery and noticed that the Pillory "Gapestokken" still stood at the usual place at the entry ment for punishing people for minor offences in the old days forbidden by law on Mai 17. 1848.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 27/11/2012 20:58:28
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Testing since it has been quiet here for some days

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 27/11/2012 22:00:58
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Thanks! I've been working on Christmas stuff. Now I am starting on my Hedmark family which I have some questions about. I have the bygdebøk for Brøttum which tells me that Ole Engebretsen Sæterbakken was born in 1795, but can't find him in the birth records. I will look up the information tonight and write back! His daughter, Anne Olsdatter Sæterbakken is one of my g. g. grandmothers.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 27/11/2012 23:43:57
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Hi.
Sorry, I didn´t ment you.

It has been quiet on this forum the last days so I was testing to see if it worked.
It did.

You are welcome to write back when you are ready for it.

Perhaps Ole Engebretsen/Embretsen was born on Kamperud in Nes/Næss parish, Ringsaker (Brøttum) Hedmark, bap. Jan 31. 1796 to Embret/Engebret Andersen and Marthe Christophersdatter.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 28/11/2012 00:00:30
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Sæterbakken is listed as 421.2 (Sæterbakken Østre #421.2 in the new Brottum book). Ole Engebretsen Sæterbakken was born 1795, the son of Engebret Amundsen Moenbakken (1754-1821), bygsler, lagrettesmann, tømmersmann and Anne Syversdatter (1770-1833).
My g. g. grandmother was their daughter Anne, born 1832, married Christian Larsen Gjeitrud, born 1835, and they emigrated to America in 1871.
I have been looking for Ole Engebretsen's birth in Ringsaker Parish because the 1801 census shows them in Ringsaker on the farm Sætherbachen. He married first Berthe Evendtr. Berg and second Marthe Nielsdatter. He had an Anne with each wife, but the first one died at age 6. I looked through the birth records for 1795 several times but never found his birth. Those old records are very difficult to read, especially when you don't read Norwegian well.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 28/11/2012 10:42:38
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Record is next to the last one on left page - baptized Nov 1 1795, fathers name Embret = Engebreth.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 28/11/2012 14:23:46
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Sæterbakken on this map, and Nordhagen here.

Both farms on the same link.

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 28/11/2012 14:32:44
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Thank you! There it is. I looked before and I saw several Embrets but I did not know that was the same as Engebret. I guess I should change the title of this topic to Hedmarken! Now from reading further in the bygdebok I have found that the Marthe Nielsdatter (1802-1886), Ole's mother, was from the farm Avskakalia midtre, so that is another farm to see! Her parents were Niels Nielsen Avskakelien, gardbruker og soldat. It says Niels was married in 1794 to Kari Mortensdatter Hovemoen, 1770-1855, sister of Lars Mortensen of Avskakalia Nordre. Niels Nielsen's father was Niels Jensen Kloven/Ore/Avskakelien, soldat from Kloven. This is exciting! I bought these books this summer and am just getting into them. I am sure I will have many more questions.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 28/11/2012 14:43:31
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Ole Engebretsen, Sætherbachen
1st spouse: Berte Evensdr (died Dec 6 1822) -
marriage date: 22 Oct 1819
Ringsaker, Hedmark
Child:
name: Anne Olesdatter
birth date: 04 Apr 1820
baptism/christening date: 16 Apr 1820
Ringsaker, Hedmark

2nd spouse: Marthe Nielsdr
marriage date: 27 Oct 1823
Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway

Children:
name: Christian Olesen
birth date: 29 Mar 1827
baptism/christening date: 01 Apr 1827
died 1918
Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway

name: Borre Olesen
birth date: 15 Sep 1829
baptism/christening date: 20 Sep 1829
Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway

name: Anne Olesdatter
birth date: 08 May 1832
baptism/christening date: 18 May 1832
Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway

name: Kari Olesdatter
birth date: 17 Febr 1835
baptism/christening date: 01 Mar 1835
Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 28/11/2012 15:00:52
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Afskaakelien is in Faaberg, Oppland.
Marthe was born April 18 1802.
Parents and siblings in 1801.

I believe the name today is Avskåkålia.

Hovemoen and Avskåkålia on the same map.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 28/11/2012 15:12:41
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Ringsaker 1840, Ole Engebretsen sold a small part in Sæterbakken to Ole Johnsen, owner of Sæterbakengen.

Title (Property) dated June 2. and June 3. 1840 from Ole Engebretsen to Ole Johnsen for 10 Riksdaler.
See on top right page #1Ved#2 Skjøde

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 28/11/2012 18:18:35
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Thank you!

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 28/11/2012 18:37:59
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Thank you again! Wow, I will have to stay in Norway for a long time to see all of these farms! I have a lot of updating to do on my family history notebooks, too. I won't hit you with any more questions today, but I still have lots!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 28/11/2012 22:47:15
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I am attaching this before I close the PC.

Diff. to translate these old Norwegian words.
A brief summary after my best ability if the translater is cooperating

Matrikkelnr.on Sæterbakken acc. to the 1400s-1838 "matrikkel" was 375
Matrikkelnr on Sæterbakken acc. to the 1838-1886 "matrikkel" was 72

"Gårdsmatrikkel" 1838 for Sæterbakken, Brøttum.
"Matrikkelskyld" or "skyld" was a system to calculate the tax on the farm after a fixed percentage of the annual return on the farm, here estimated to one Daler an four Ort, ca 1.8 Daler.

What is interesting is that Sæterbakken had two owners in 1838, Ole Engebrektsen and Ole Johnsen, link

Within 1865 Ole Engebrektsen and Marte Nilsdatter had sold Sæterbakken and recieved now as former owners "Føderaad" secured by a legal right on free supplies on the farm as long as they lived.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 29/11/2012 14:53:45
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Marthe Nilsdatter came to Sæterbakken 1823, same year as she married Ole Engebrektsen Sæterbakken.
- Marthe Nilsdatter Sæterbakken born April 18. 1802 from Afskakelien, Faaberg, last record right page #204

Add. info.
Ole Engebrektsen´s sister Marthe Engebrektsdatter b. Sept. 29. 1807 married to Johannes Olsen left Sæterbakken for Sollien in Faaberg Sept. 21. 1832, right page #43-44

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 29/11/2012 18:30:41
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I have never seen that register before, and I can't find some of the words in my dictionary, but I gather that it means moving from one parish or community to another?? She moved to Saeterbakken from Avskakalien in 1823. Born 18-4-1802 and confirmed in Lillehammer 1815? Can you translate the page headings for me? Tilgange Lister? (a register of incoming people?) . Thank you again!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 29/11/2012 18:39:56
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Hi, you are right.
Very old words, do not exist today, that´s why a modern dictionary can´t translate it.

"Tilgangslister" is another word for "Innflyttede", moving into a parish, incoming people.
More common is "innflyttede" incoming

The opposite is "Avgangslister", leaving a parish
More common is "utvandrede" leaving the parish, emigration.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 29/11/2012 19:06:37
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Yes, I have used those registers in the later records to find emigrants to America. I can't believe how much we can learn about these people from so long ago. I am so glad my ancestors were Norwegian!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 29/11/2012 19:17:53
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The Norwegian records are very good and free for everyone to investigate.
Within a few years the probateregisters will (hopefully) be online, still there are millions of records in the archives, based on volunteers to get it published online.

I belive Marthe was confirmated in Faaberg, the record is under Lillehammer.
3. column 4. from bottom;
Marthe Nilsdr Afskakelien, no grades given, see here

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 29/11/2012 23:41:25
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Avskåkelien (name various) is named after lake Avskoken, see map on page 5.
The first settler on Afskåklien, called Askoken, was Johannes Lillehammer in 1629-30.
The farm was a subfarm until 1793.

- In 1757 the farm was called Avskaakelien when a girl Marit Evensdatter was bap. at home.

- 1767 a girl Anne was bap. at home, parents was your ancestors in the 1801 census on page 5, Nils Jensen and Kjersti/Kirsti Hansdatter, 1770 a son Nils (Nilsen) born and a daughter Martha born 1776.

- 1793 Nils Nilsen b. 1770 bought the farm for 195 Daler.
- 1795 Nils Nilsen married Kari Mortensdatter and takes over the farm against "Føderaad" (Free supplies) for the parents.

Nils Nilsen died 1810 within 1809, probate register, not online, tells the net fortune was 160 Daler, 3 children alive, Ole, Kari and your Marthe.

1820 Afskaklien was two farms, Northern and Southern, your family lived on S. Afskaklien.

2 years later Ole Nilsen Afskaklien married Ragnhild, a son Kristian b. July 17. 1822.

1939 Afskaklien G.nr 47 were 7 small farms.

Info is a summary of page one here, no info on your family on this farm after 1822.

Source; Fåberg and Lillehammer history society.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 30/11/2012 02:47:08
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Thank you very much. What a great summary. I will put it in my book after I translate it. In the new Brøttum bind 11 (2011) this branch of the family is listed under 47.2 Avskåkålien midtre to 1998. They also list 47.1 Avsk. nørdre; 47.2a Kallykkjen/Snurruhaugen to 1900; 47.3 Avsk. søndre to 1981; 47.6 Ivinhullet to 1925; 47.9 Avsk. midtre tun to 1998.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/11/2012 15:58:00
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The main number was Avs. 47, and as more bought land of the main farm and uesd their own name the numbers were as you described 47.- 47.1 - 47.1a - 47.2 etc.
These farms was very small, up to "10 mål" 2,5 acres, perhaps just enough to feed a cow, some pigs, goats and cheeps and had other work in addition.
47. 1a means it was farm nr 47.1 who gave land to this farm.

These farms are probably only used for vaccation today.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 30/11/2012 17:55:14
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It is amazing how they could survive on a farm that small, especially with the large families most people had back then. It really explains why so many decided to emigrate to a place where they could get 160 acres from the government. However a lot of the immigrants had a very hard life here also. The first time I went to Norway I was so overwhelmed by the beauty everywhere that I couldn't understand why anyone would ever leave there. I still feel like that each time I go, but I can understand why they left.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/11/2012 19:58:45
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In 1865 S. Avskåkålien was on total 280 acres including pastureland, 7 acres was of good soil and the farm could feed 12 persons, 2 horses, 7 big cattle, 10 cheeps and a pig, so 1/2 barrel of barley, 2 2/3 of mixed korn and 3 barrels of potatoes (8-10 in return?) fishing, hunting and handicraft in addition.
This was a good farm to grew up on.

One reason for the large em. to America (50% of the population) was the vaccination project started ca 1790 and within 2 generations the population doubled but the number of farms did not increase in the same number, it bacame crowdy, many starved, espesially the cottagers and leasholders.

The reason I changed the year Nils Nilsen died from 1810 (1810 was the probate register) to before 1809 is becaus the widow Kari Mortensdatter married Gunner Halvorsen Avelsgaarden on July 14. 1809, angaged Mai 11.
See bottom left column here Bestmen: Lars Suttestad and Peder Nyehuus.

His father Nils Jensen Avskåkålien died as widower Feb. 17. 1814, age 81.

Kåre

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 30/11/2012 20:12:41
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Thank you for all the good information. Did you ever read "Giants in the Earth" by Ole Rolvaag? It takes place near where I grew up (Worthington, MN near Sioux Falls, SD) and is a good example of what the immigrants had to contend with in prairie country USA, not at all what they were used to in Norway. I would call it my all-time favorite book. I am starting anew topic later today from the same area, but now I have to go out. This will be Christian Larsen Gjedrud, my g. g. grandfather, who was baptized at Faaberg 1835. His father is the problem. On the birth record he is just listed as "Lars Bruget" from Ringsaker, and that's all I now about him. His mother was from Gjeitrud.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/11/2012 21:53:43
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I have read one of Ole Rølvågs books many years ago but not "Giants of the earth" about the Norwegian settlers in Dakota.
He was born 1876 on the island Dønna in Nordland county almost neighbor to where my grandfather was born 1897, Ole Rølvåg emigrated 1896.
1906 he was proffesor at St. Olavs College Minnesota.

A great person.

Kåre.

Reply author: dwssnell
Replied on: 30/11/2012 22:16:48
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Yes, and his brother was governor of Minnesota 1963-1967. A memorial to him in Sioux Falls, SD at Augustana College has the Berdahl-Rolvaag house (Berdahl was his wife's name) and Ole Rolvaag's writing cabin. The house, which evolved from an original "soddie" was moved there from Garretson, SD. The Berdahl's son James and Ole Rolvaaag were both students at Augustana Academy at one time. The writing cabin was moved there from northern Minnesota in 2001 to what they call the Augustana Heritage Park. "Giants in the Earth" was written there in September and October 1923. It was originally in Norwegian and then translated to English.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/11/2012 23:30:05
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Now i understand your relationship to the N. Avskåkålien better after reading your posting twice, it was the Morten/Mortensen family on the Nortern Avskåkålilen.
Lars Mortensen married to Sønnev Olsdatter was your Kari´s brother..

Kåre

Reply author: JessieFraser
Replied on: 21/02/2013 01:55:15
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James Nelson Sanvigen is my Grandfather.
Born- June 28, 1866 in Aadalin (or Adalin) Ringerike, Norway on Sandvigen farm.
Baptized- Aug. 17, 1866 at Viker Lutheran Church, Adalan Norway.
Married- May 21, 1892 at Luthern Church- Seattle, WA. USA Anne Moi.
Died- October 8, 1945 Seattle, WA. Mount Pleasant Cemetery, Queen Anne Hill, Seattle WA. Lot 44 Section 8
Children-Gilbert Tobias, Ingval Albert, Delma Alvera, Emma, Phillip Howard, Alex James Father- Nils Jensen Moen or Wigermoen
Mother- Gunhilda Thorsen Sandvigen

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 21/02/2013 11:57:03
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A small correction for Aadalin/Adalin since you do not use the letter Å, the correct name is Ådalen or Ådal

Kåre

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