Looking for Simen Johannesen Aaseng born 1868
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Topic author: JeanFlor
Subject: Looking for Simen Johannesen Aaseng born 1868
Posted on: 29/05/2015 04:52:27
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My biggest brickwall - Researchers on DIS-Norge have tried to solve this mystery with no results. I've found the researchers on this site so helpful I thought maybe someone new might pick up on what others have not been able to find. I (and several people in the U.S.) are trying to find out who Simen Aaseng was in the following birth record of Julia Simensdatter (#20) born 29 Jun 1890. Julia immigrated to the U.S. & married. Julia's daughter just died last year at the age of 95. I would love if someone could help her granddaughter (I'm related) solve this 'history mystery'. Thank you for your time.
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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/05/2015 04:59:50
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Not sure which parish registers you may have looked already. Here is a possible:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052080000762
Simen Peter Johnson Moen #10
Source information: Hedmark county, Tylldal in Tynset, Parish register copy nr. 4 (1814-1879), Birth and baptism records 1864, page 186-187.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9213&idx_id=9213&uid=ny&idx_side=-91
His confirmation #2:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tylldal in Tynset, Parish register copy nr. 4 (1814-1879), Confirmation records 1879, page 554-555.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9213&idx_id=9213&uid=ny&idx_side=-234
In Julia's baptismal record there are a couple of Aaseng mentions besides Simen's. In the faddernes there are Hans Halvorson Aaseng and Knut A. Aaseng.
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 29/05/2015 08:13:12
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This seems to be the best possibility I've seen. I wish I could find him in the 1900 Census. Possibly he emigrated or died? I just can't figure it out. Tynset isn't that far from Tolga tho (birth record say he was from Tolgen).
Someone suggested that as he is listed on the birth record as a "bachelor farmhand" that perhaps he wasn't related to anyone - just living at farm Aaseng.
I think I found both of the other Aasengs listed as witnesses - Hans Halvorsen Aaseng & wife Ingeborg:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037071000096
Knut A. Aaseng:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037071000091
Maybe the puzzle will come together yet. Thx!
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Not sure which parish registers you may have looked already. Here is a possible:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052080000762
Simen Peter Johnson Moen #10
Source information: Hedmark county, Tylldal in Tynset, Parish register copy nr. 4 (1814-1879), Birth and baptism records 1864, page 186-187.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9213&idx_id=9213&uid=ny&idx_side=-91
His confirmation #2:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tylldal in Tynset, Parish register copy nr. 4 (1814-1879), Confirmation records 1879, page 554-555.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9213&idx_id=9213&uid=ny&idx_side=-234
In Julia's baptismal record there are a couple of Aaseng mentions besides Simen's. In the faddernes there are Hans Halvorson Aaseng and Knut A. Aaseng.
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/05/2015 13:22:46
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Here is the list of Sim* Jo* born in 1868 from the search engine at digitalarkivet. Appear to be none born in Tolga nor Tynset: The onl
y one which can be eliminated is Simen Johannesen Lindsetmoen:
Simen Johansen Hagen 07.11.1868 Vang hf g Maskinist og arbeider (ved damptærskemaskine) Vang: Høiby 01.12.1910 Folketelling 1910 for 0414 Vang herred
#6 Simen Johansen
Source information: Hedmark county, Vang in Vang, Parish register (official) nr. 14 (1866-1870), Birth and baptism records 1867, page 5.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8842&idx_id=8842&uid=ny&idx_side=-5
______________________________________________Simen Johannesen Lindsetmoen 1868* Drengeb. Lindsetmoen 17.06.1868 avdød Ministerialbok for Grong prestegjeld, Trones sokn 1830-1832 (1742P)
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Simen Jonsen Klemmetsplads 1868 Lille Elvedalen herred* Hf g Gaardbr. selveier Tømmerdrift Lille-Elvedalens: Klemmetspladsen
03.12.1900 Folketelling 1900 for 0438 Lille Elvedalen herred
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Andreas Simon Johannesen 05.10.1868* Digernæs Digernæs 20.04.1884 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Førde prestegjeld, Førde sokn 1880-1898 (1432P)
Andreas Simon Johannesen Gjersvig 1868 Førde ug Gaardmsøn Førde 02.06.1893 Emigranter over Bergen 1874-1930
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Simon Martin Johansen 1868 Bjarkøy Plejesøn Bjarkøy: Kolsland 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 1915P Sand prestegjeld
Simon Johansen 1868 Bjarkøy el ug Fisker Bjarkøy herred: Steinheim 03.12.1900 Folketelling 1900 for 1915 Bjarkøy herred
Simon Johansen 04.10.1868 Bjarkøy hf g Fisker Bjarkøy: Helløy 01.12.1910 Folketelling 1910 for 1915 Bjarkøy herred
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Simen Johannesen 1868 Eker Haug søn ug Eker: Røren 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 0624P Eiker prestegjeld
Simen Johannesen Hals 1868 Hals Gbr. Hals brudgom Ministerialbok for Eiker prestegjeld, Haug sokn 1889-1896 (0624P)
Simen Johanness. Hals 1868 Øvre Eiker herred* hf g Gaardbr. Selveier Øvre Eker: Hals 03.12.1900 Folketelling 1900 for 0624 Øvre Eiker herred
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Simon Leonhard Johansen 1868 Rørstad Folden s Forsørges af Fadr. Folden: Røsvig 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 1845P Folda prestegjeld
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Simon Peder Johannesen 1868 Bergen By s ug Kontorist (Jernforretning) Bergen: Smørsalmending 19 01.01.1891 Folketelling 1891 for 1301 Bergen kjøpstad
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/05/2015 14:05:12
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In Tolga / Tolga there are 3 Simen born and baptized between 1868-1869, no Johanneson:
#13 Simen Thoreson:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tolga in Tolga, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1814-1877), Birth and baptism records 1868, page 182-183.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9221&idx_id=9221&uid=ny&idx_side=-94
Simen Thoresen confirmation #9:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tolga in Tolga, Parish register copy nr. 7 (1878-1919), Confirmation records 1883, page 68.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5027&idx_id=5027&uid=ny&idx_side=-65
Probably Simen Thoresen's mother and half sister in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038049001065
#9 Simen Olsen:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tolga in Tolga, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1814-1877), Birth and baptism records 1869, page 186-187.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9221&idx_id=9221&uid=ny&idx_side=-96
Probably Simen Olsen in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037071001191
Simen Paulsen Broen #10:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tolga in Tolga, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1814-1877), Death and burial records 1814-1817, page 190-191.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9221&idx_id=9221&uid=ny&idx_side=-98
Simen Paulsen Broen in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037071000923
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/05/2015 17:36:29
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Here is the marriage of a Simon Johansen b. 1866 looks like Froen, second from bottom of page:
Source information: Oppland county, Follebu in Østre Gausdal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1887-1901), Marriage records 1890-1893, page 53.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1516&idx_id=1516&uid=ny&idx_side=-58]
I'd have to check the dates of departure but it appears this couple with their child left for US also in 1893.
child Torgen correction below to Jørgen #4 born before they married
Source information: Oppland county, Follebu in Østre Gausdal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1887-1901), Birth and baptism records 1893, page 11.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1516&idx_id=1516&uid=ny&idx_side=-15
Lines 14,15 right hand page mother and child but Simon is not listed. However in 1892 there were a handful of Johansen Lundeie;s departing at the top of the same page:
Source information: Oppland county, Follebu in Østre Gausdal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1887-1901), Emigration records 1887-1893, page 84.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1516&idx_id=1516&uid=ny&idx_side=-85
Here is Simon's departure in 1893:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000489981
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 29/05/2015 17:38:06
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A possible Simen Johannesen from Fåberg, but he was born 1869, confirmated April 19. 1885, see #15
Fåberg
Kåre
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 29/05/2015 18:21:35
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A possibility:
#95
Census-1875
The marriage record above says his father is Johan Simensen.
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 29/05/2015 20:28:37
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quote:The name reads Jørgen.
Originally posted by jkmarler
child Torgen #4 born before they married
Source information: Oppland county, Follebu in Østre Gausdal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1887-1901), Birth and baptism records 1893, page 11.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1516&idx_id=1516&uid=ny&idx_side=-15
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/05/2015 20:44:33
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Well, the baptism of Julie lists Simen as Ungkarl (bachelor) Tjenstedreng (roughly means working boy--even at age 22). His residence is Aaseng i Tolgen and birthyear is 1868.
So he could be any Simon Johanneson b 1868 anywhere even Sweden.
Not sure how far apart Aaseng and the farm Julia was born on are, but sociological studies indicate that most "matches:" occur within a radius of about 7 miles--the distance a working man could walk to and from in a day. Of course, if he had a horse, those bets are off.
Perhaps he was busy and that there might be other children he fathered in the two parishes--that could be checked.
Sometimes the inflyttedes and utflyttedes of the parish contain the name of newly arrived and the departing. Mayhaps he married or died in Tolga after 1890 and that could be checked as well.
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/05/2015 20:52:00
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborgquote:The name reads Jørgen.
Originally posted by jkmarler
child Torgen #4 born before they married
Source information: Oppland county, Follebu in Østre Gausdal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1887-1901), Birth and baptism records 1893, page 11.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1516&idx_id=1516&uid=ny&idx_side=-15
Thanks, have corrected original post.
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 29/05/2015 20:54:52
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Interesting marriage record in #6, 1892 above!
The son and daughter of the two biggest Norwegian poets of all time... 
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/05/2015 21:31:44
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How interesting! Follebu is a Norwegian wedding destination?
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 29/05/2015 22:54:09
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quote:Not really, but it was the bride's hometown. Her father Bjørnstjerne Bjørnsons residence named Aulestad is located in Follebu.
Originally posted by jkmarler
How interesting! Follebu is a Norwegian wedding destination?
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:05:25
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Nice looking farm house Jan Peter, it is a little bit more upscale than the one my grandfather left in 1888. But just a lttle bit more upscale.
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:09:18
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Julia's daughter said she was born on farm Øilia, Telneset, Norway.
The distance between Telneset & Tolga is 6 miles. Bingo! (You learn something new every day!)
I'm going to invite Julia's granddaughter to monitor this - maybe she'll have some input.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Well, the baptism of Julie lists Simen as Ungkarl (bachelor) Tjenstedreng (roughly means working boy--even at age 22). His residence is Aaseng i Tolgen and birthyear is 1868.
So he could be any Simon Johanneson b 1868 anywhere even Sweden.
Not sure how far apart Aaseng and the farm Julia was born on are, but sociological studies indicate that most "matches:" occur within a radius of about 7 miles--the distance a working man could walk to and from in a day. Of course, if he had a horse, those bets are off.
Perhaps he was busy and that there might be other children he fathered in the two parishes--that could be checked.
Sometimes the inflyttedes and utflyttedes of the parish contain the name of newly arrived and the departing. Mayhaps he married or died in Tolga after 1890 and that could be checked as well.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:20:14
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JeanFlor, has anyone checked the various Bygdebøker for either Tolga or Tynset
Here are two listed for Tolga in Roots Web
Tolga
Tolgen
By Ivar Sæter
Published 1908
(General history and farm histories and genealogy)
Vingelen. Sogeminner frå heimbygda
By Eystein Eggen
Published by Nemda for Vingelsboka, 1943
Revised and republished 1968
(General history and farm histories and genealogy)
Note: This book is in the process of being updated and will contain additional
information on farm histories and genealogy for the community of Tolga. It
will probably be published in 2003.
Here is the list for
Tynset
Tynset. En bygdehistorie
By Tore Aaen
Published 1925
(General history and farm histories and genealogy)
Tynset bygdebok
Published by Tynset bygdeboknemnd, 1972 - 1988
5 volumes
Volume 1 & 2. Gard og ætt
By Ivar A. Streitlien
Published 1972 - 1973
(Farm histories and genealogy)
Volume 3. Topografi, geologi, historie.
Published 1978
Edited by Ivar A. Streitlien
(General history, geology, etc.)
Volume 4. Utvandring, utmark, kjerke, kommune
By Bjarne Grandum
Published 1988
(Emigration, church history, and general history)
Volume 5. Øvrighet, samferdsel, ufredstider, handel, skole, skikker, musikkliv, foreninger
By Bjarne Grandum
Published 1998
(General history)
(For information on how to purchase this bygdebok contact:
Tynset kommune, Kulturkontoret, 2500 Tynset, Norway
Kvikne. Ei bygdebok
Edited by Olav Tryggve Hagen
Published 1951 - 1952. Republished 1976
2 volumes
Volume 1. Bygdesoga
(General history)
Volume 2. Gardsbruk - koparverk
(Farm histories, genealogy, and history of coppermine)
Tylldalen - Brydalen bygdebok
By Bjarne Grandum
Publisher: Tylldalen og Brydalen bygdeboknemnd. 1997
Volume 1: Gard og ætt
For information about how to purchase this bygdebok contact:
Bygdeboknemnda for Tylldalen og Brydalen, v/Odd Guttorm Negård, 2510 Tylldalen, Norway
Tylldalen - Brydalen bygdebok
By Eystein Eggen
Published by Bygdeboknemnda, 1957
(General history and farm histories and genealogy)
Note: an updated version of this bygdebook is being published - see previous entry)
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:25:01
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The distance between Øylia farm in Tynset and Åseng farm im Tolga is only 3 km (2 miles),and takes 3 minutes to drive today.
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:34:02
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I believe this person was being discussed on DIS-Norge. They were looking for someone with a 'bydgbok' (spelling wrong?) from Fåberg. A Norwegian relative suggested I look at the National Library of Norway - but I couldn't figure out how to use it.
http://www.nb.no/
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Originally posted by Kåarto
A possible Simen Johannesen from Fåberg, but he was born 1869, confirmated April 19. 1885, see #15
Fåberg
Kåre
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:45:39
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You are all too fast for me! :-) I just mentioned that in a post on a Simen Johanssen in Fåberg - a Bygdebok....would I have to order them (couldn't read them anyway) *sigh? Or can I see them at the National Library of Norway? http://www.nb.no/ I can't tell.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
JeanFlor, has anyone checked the various Bygdebøker for either Tolga or Tynset
Here are two listed for Tolga in Roots Web
Tolga
Tolgen
By Ivar Sæter
Published 1908
(General history and farm histories and genealogy)
Vingelen. Sogeminner frå heimbygda
By Eystein Eggen
Published by Nemda for Vingelsboka, 1943
Revised and republished 1968
(General history and farm histories and genealogy)
Note: This book is in the process of being updated and will contain additional
information on farm histories and genealogy for the community of Tolga. It
will probably be published in 2003.
Here is the list for
Tynset
Tynset. En bygdehistorie
By Tore Aaen
Published 1925
(General history and farm histories and genealogy)
Tynset bygdebok
Published by Tynset bygdeboknemnd, 1972 - 1988
5 volumes
Volume 1 & 2. Gard og ætt
By Ivar A. Streitlien
Published 1972 - 1973
(Farm histories and genealogy)
Volume 3. Topografi, geologi, historie.
Published 1978
Edited by Ivar A. Streitlien
(General history, geology, etc.)
Volume 4. Utvandring, utmark, kjerke, kommune
By Bjarne Grandum
Published 1988
(Emigration, church history, and general history)
Volume 5. Øvrighet, samferdsel, ufredstider, handel, skole, skikker, musikkliv, foreninger
By Bjarne Grandum
Published 1998
(General history)
(For information on how to purchase this bygdebok contact:
Tynset kommune, Kulturkontoret, 2500 Tynset, Norway
Kvikne. Ei bygdebok
Edited by Olav Tryggve Hagen
Published 1951 - 1952. Republished 1976
2 volumes
Volume 1. Bygdesoga
(General history)
Volume 2. Gardsbruk - koparverk
(Farm histories, genealogy, and history of coppermine)
Tylldalen - Brydalen bygdebok
By Bjarne Grandum
Publisher: Tylldalen og Brydalen bygdeboknemnd. 1997
Volume 1: Gard og ætt
For information about how to purchase this bygdebok contact:
Bygdeboknemnda for Tylldalen og Brydalen, v/Odd Guttorm Negård, 2510 Tylldalen, Norway
Tylldalen - Brydalen bygdebok
By Eystein Eggen
Published by Bygdeboknemnda, 1957
(General history and farm histories and genealogy)
Note: an updated version of this bygdebook is being published - see previous entry)
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:48:13
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I just use asked Google to tell me the distance between Telneset & Tolga - wouldn't tell me between farms. So only TWO miles. But is there more than one farm named Aaseng?
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
The distance between Øylia farm in Tynset and Åseng farm im Tolga is only 3 km (2 miles),and takes 3 minutes to drive today.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:51:07
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There are good collections of Bygdebøker at The University of Minnesota, Wilson Library in Minneapolis. The University of North Dakota, Grand Forks and Saint Olaf"s College in Northfield Minnesota and probably a few other states such as Wiscconsin and Iowa. I do not know if any of these places are close to where you live.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:53:33
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Here is a link to the DIS discussion you referred to. I have not read through it yet to see if there are any references to the Norwegain farm books. ie Bygdebøker
http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=111458
No references to books for Tolga or Tynset, a reference to one for Fåberg but it may have never been looked at.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 29/05/2015 23:58:09
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There are 38 people living on various Aaseng farms in Hedmark in the 1865 Norwegian Census. None of them named Johan.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/folketellinger_e.aspx
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/05/2015 00:00:01
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The National Library of Norway have some farm history books in their online stock, but I believe they are only available for users with Norwegian IP-addresses.
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/05/2015 00:11:45
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quote:
Originally posted by JeanFlor
Julia's daughter said she was born on farm Øilia, Telneset, Norway.
Julia was born on Øilia and she lived there when she was confirmated Oct. 2. 1904, see #21
Simen Johannesen is a mystery, I can not find him incoming or leaving Tynset. Bachelor and farmboy on Aaseng 1890 b. 1868.
Kåre
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 30/05/2015 00:12:24
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That would explain why my Norwegian relative kept telling me to go there, but I could never see anything even after I registered. Thx.
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
The National Library of Norway have some farm history books in their online stock, but I believe they are only available for users with Norwegian IP-addresses.
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 30/05/2015 00:17:26
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I'm at least 160 miles from the closest - Grand Forks or St. Olaf. And I don't expect they loan them out to other libraries. I'm thinking they're written in Norwegian anyway, so probably not even worth the road trip - would be hard even using a computer or phone translator.
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
There are good collections of Bygdebøker at The University of Minnesota, Wilson Library in Minneapolis. The University of North Dakota, Grand Forks and Saint Olaf"s College in Northfield Minnesota and probably a few other states such as Wiscconsin and Iowa. I do not know if any of these places are close to where you live.
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 30/05/2015 00:32:35
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Thank you again, Kåre - we didn't have this Confirmation record. Yes, Simen seems to be a complete mystery....
I can't help but notice that even though she was born in June and not confirmed until August (or was she confirmed 2 Oct 1904 - date on top of page? Confused again!) that the name is spelled exactly the same 'Johannessen'. That name could be spelled many different ways (Johnsen, Johansen, Johannesen, etc.) which makes me think Simen spelled it out - and that was the spelling he used. Yet he can't be found. :-(
Jean
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Originally posted by Kåartoquote:
Originally posted by JeanFlor
Julia's daughter said she was born on farm Øilia, Telneset, Norway.
Julia was born on Øilia and she lived there when she was confirmated Oct. 2. 1904, see #21
Simen Johannesen is a mystery, I can not find him incoming or leaving Tynset. Bachelor and farmboy on Aaseng 1890 b. 1868.
Kåre
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/05/2015 00:38:20
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Hopefully, Simon didn't die or depart before this but the scanned copies of the 1891 census for Tolgen are available online. Looks like there was at least 4 farms named Aasing:
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Tolga herred, Statlig folketelling (RA/S-2231/E/Ea), 1891-1891, oppb: Riksarkivet.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/ft/52746/8/
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/05/2015 03:27:22
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Simen was not found on any of the farms starting with Aas in Tolgen. Here is Julia's page, she was living with her grandparents.
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Tynset herred, Statlig folketelling (RA/S-2231/E/Ea), 1891-1891, oppb: Riksarkivet.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/ft/52747/2974/
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/05/2015 16:18:52
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quote:
Originally posted by JeanFlor
I'm at least 160 miles from the closest - Grand Forks or St. Olaf. And I don't expect they loan them out to other libraries. I'm thinking they're written in Norwegian anyway, so probably not even worth the road trip - would be hard even using a computer or phone translator.quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
There are good collections of Bygdebøker at The University of Minnesota, Wilson Library in Minneapolis. The University of North Dakota, Grand Forks and Saint Olaf"s College in Northfield Minnesota and probably a few other states such as Wiscconsin and Iowa. I do not know if any of these places are close to where you live.
If they are older books that they have on their shelf, Concordia College Carl B. Ylvisaker Library sometime honors ILL requests.
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/05/2015 18:15:51
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Telneset school, Tynset, 1905-1906
1st row from left: Kristine Moseng, Bergljot Telneset (Harsjøen), Anna Aaseng, Magna Aas-Eng, Marit Negard, Berit Østby, Signe Øian, Gislaug Øian, Maria Øian and Olga Øian.
2nd row from left: Ola Aashaug, Halvor Aaseng, Sivert Follstad, Erling Aas-Eng, Nils Hagen, Morten Øian, Marius Nybakken, Amund Aaseng, Håkon Aas-Eng and Aasmund Gardseth.
3rd row from left: Teacher Hompland, Inger Kletvang, Kirsti Aaseng, Kjerstina Aaseng, Ingeborg Aaseng (Lindquist), Marit K. Aaseng, Olga Malmåsen, Maria Øian, Lisbeth Moen and teacher M. Østby.
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 30/05/2015 19:55:39
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Would have to find someone in Jmstn who could read Norwegian - sometimes I can make some sense out of Norwegian text - just enough to be dangerous. Will have to look into it!
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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If they are older books that they have on their shelf, Concordia College Carl B. Ylvisaker Library sometime honors ILL requests.
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Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 30/05/2015 20:17:50
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Love this pic! And I'm sure that some are probably relatives of Julia, although most of her aunts & uncles (including Julia's mother - Beret Olsdtr Øian) emigrated about this time. Julia emigrated in 1904 so just missed being in the picture! Will have to study it. My own gg grandmother was Beret Pedersdtr Øian born 1842 in Tynset & married Anders Lillevang. Her daughter, Beret Andersdtr emigrated and was 1st cousin to Julia's mother. However some of Beret Pedersdtr's family and Beret Olsdtr's remained around Tynset. These could be their nieces, nephews, etc.. And my husband's relatives are Aasengs from Vingelen. I was surprised my husband & I had ancestors that lived so close to one another! Thx for posting.
[quote]Originally posted by jwiborg
Telneset school, Tynset, 1905-1906
1st row from left: Kristine Moseng, Bergljot Telneset (Harsjøen), Anna Aaseng, Magna Aas-Eng, Marit Negard, Berit Østby, Signe Øian, Gislaug Øian, Maria Øian and Olga Øian.
2nd row from left: Ola Aashaug, Halvor Aaseng, Sivert Follstad, Erling Aas-Eng, Nils Hagen, Morten Øian, Marius Nybakken, Amund Aaseng, Håkon Aas-Eng and Aasmund Gardseth.
3rd row from left: Teacher Hompland, Inger Kletvang, Kirsti Aaseng, Kjerstina Aaseng, Ingeborg Aaseng (Lindquist), Marit K. Aaseng, Olga Malmåsen, Maria Øian, Lisbeth Moen and teacher M. Østby.
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Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 30/05/2015 20:21:36
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What a great document - her mother Beret is just a few pages before. I didn't see a search engine so think you had to go through this Census page by page....maybe using the index for some of it. Thanks for taking all that time.
Jean
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Simen was not found on any of the farms starting with Aas in Tolgen. Here is Julia's page, she was living with her grandparents.
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Tynset herred, Statlig folketelling (RA/S-2231/E/Ea), 1891-1891, oppb: Riksarkivet.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/ft/52747/2974/
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/05/2015 21:13:51
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The girls to the right in 1st row is named Øian; sisters Gislaug, Maria and and Olga. The tall boy in 2nd row is brother Morten.
Their parents are Morten Thoresen Øian (b. 15 Dec 1855) and Gjertrud Olsdatter Øian (b. 11 Mar 1858)
Married 06 Jul 1882
His parents: Thore Mortensen & Marit Eriksdatter, Øian Udgaarden vestre, Tynset, Hedmark.
Morten in Census-1865
Her parents: Ole Iversen & Ingrid Pedersdatter, Hougen Aasen, Vindgelen in Tolga, Hedmark.
Gjertrud in Census-1865
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 31/05/2015 00:41:01
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A possible candidate.
Simen Johansen Hagen b. Nov. 7. 1868 in Vang, farmworker and unmarried in 1900.
Occ. machinist and working on a steam tresher, married and 5 children on farm Høiby in 1910
Vang
Kåre
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 31/05/2015 04:35:48
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Well okay so find a Simon Johannesen born 1868 in Tolga or one of its sub parishes. The closest one is a Simen Johnson b. 1864 and I think some things about him are posted on page 1 or 2 of this topic.
The problem to me is that wouldn't a Norwegian know the difference between Johnson and Johannessen? For instance us Yankees do see a difference between the names William or Willard even though they are very similar.
The baptismal does not weigh in on the birthplace of either parent, only to their addresses.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 31/05/2015 05:09:32
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I did notice that the domiciles of Knut Amudsen and Hans Halvorsen two of the witnesses of the baptism of Julie Simensdatter are next to each other on the NHDC 1900 Census records.
Knut http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0436&kenr=001&bnr=0015
Hans ]http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0436&kenr=001&bnr=0016
and are in Aaseng a farm in Vingelen a subparish of Tolga.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 31/05/2015 06:30:19
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There are not a lot of Simen Johansens of various spellings listed in the Ancestry.com data base for Hedmark born in 1870 plus or minus 2. Only two pop up other than Simen Hakon Johnsen already discussed by Jackie.
View Record
Simen Johannesen
22 feb 1872 25 apr 1872 Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway Johannes,
Johanne
View Record
Simen Johansen
5 mai 1872 (5 May 1872) 2 jun 1872 Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway Johan,
Maria
Number two can be found in the 1900 Census so probably can be ruled out.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0412&kenr=019&bnr=0050&lnr=00
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 01/06/2015 20:51:01
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It seems unfortunately difficult. to find Simen Johannesen Aaseng for his granddaughter in California.
Add. info.
Ole Pedersen Øilien who em. 1904 waited for many years before he sold Øilien.
The Digitised Real Estate Registers from Tynset tells he sold Øilien Sept. 28. 1921 to Bersvend Olsen Øilien for 6000 Kroner (114 000 Kroner in 2014) link
Here is more.
3- Bond (finance) Sept. 15. 1883 from Ole Pedersen to Hypotekbank on 600 Kroner secured in the farm.
4- Bond dated Dec. 15. 1896 on 200 Kroner to Hypotekbank secured in the property
5- Contract on leasing of the farn August 1. 1904 to Sept. 1. 1907 to Peder J. Normann? for 500 Kroner.
6- Bond August 15. 1908 from Ole Pedersen Øilien to Tynset Bank on 300 Kroner secured in the property.
7- Bond d. April 15. 1921 from Ole P. Øilien to Tynset Bank on 2500 Kroner secured in the property.
9- Title of property where Ole Pedersen Øilien sold the farm to Bersvend Olsen for 6000 Kroner.
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 02/06/2015 00:14:22
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Found some interesting when I Googled Simen Johannesen 1868 Tynset, but the link has an error:
It seems to go like this;
"Finner du nok ikke i..." You will find nothing in Tynset Bygdebok volume two but in volume one page 578. Subject: Simen Johannesen 1868, recidence Aaseng/Åseng, Tolga in 1890...
headline; Slektsforum::Søk LINK
Kåre
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 02/06/2015 04:32:14
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I will see if I can get over the the U of Minnesota Library this week and look at the Tolga and Tynset Bygdebok, Page 578 might be a good place to start.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 02/06/2015 22:26:16
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Today I had time to look at the Tynset Bygdebok. No new revelations there. Here is the part of the section on Øilia pertaining to Julia.
Ole Pedersen f. 13/8 1845, d. 30/5 1921, g. 25/4 1868 i Tolga m. Johanne Knutsd. Hammerplass. f. 11/8 1843 i Tolga, d. 23/11 1903
3. Beret f. 4/8 1871, har med Simen Johannesson Aaseng, Tolga, f. 1868, dattera Julia f. 29/7 1890. Beret reiste til New York 9/9 1892.
Also this on Ole Pedesen,
Ole Pedesen var i gamleste laget til å greie det harde tempoet i Amerika , og kom attende til Tynset og dødde i heimbygda.
Hopefully more to follow
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 02/06/2015 22:35:16
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It took me several tries, but I believe I found the missing link. The Google search engine combined results, I think, so the results were mixed with another person.
See - Re: Iver Pedersen (Nyland) (f.1811) at this link.....
Skrevet: 04 Jan 2015 23:50:10 Tittel: Re: Iver Pedersen (Nyland) (f.1811)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VBaICekHsbIJ:www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D662647%26sid%3D3150d4c4603720603efb4bd525f0a2b4+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
I've seen pages from the Bygdebok from Vingelen regarding the Aasengs (translated by a relative from Norway) and could find no evidence of Simen there. Not sure it is worthwhile for lyndal40 to look at the Tolga & Tynset Bygdebok, or not? Regardless, thanks to all for your time & efforts - it is SO much appreciated. Simen Johannessen is just such a mystery! It took almost 3 decades for me to solve the mystery of my great grandmother, so I still hope to find proof of Simen. Ironically, Julia married Edward Smith - "Smith" being the most common name in America. Can't find his line either.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 02/06/2015 23:38:33
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Good job Jean on that Google search, I have page 578 and while I do see some Simen names none of them seemed to pertain to Simen Johannessen. The page starts off with a Lars Pedersen f. 1730
His family of 8 children including one Simen f, 1781 No Johns or the like.
Next is the family of Simen Larsen f 1781 and his 8 children, including one Simen f 1808 and one Jon born 29 /11 1824 g.m. Beret Hansd.
Next is the family of Peder Larsen probably the third son of the first man listed Lars Pedersen. Including his 13 children, no simon, no John
Last on the page is a Simen Larson Tronsvang Alvdal f 17/4 1886
I do not see a connection with this page and your Simen Johnnessen f. 1868
The page is from the Tynset Bygdebok and It is part of Neby (farm no. 75), subfarm Nylænd Nedre (75-39).
I also have the pages on Aaseng from the Vingelen Bygedbok and have started looking at the Tovdal Bygdebok. It will not be a burden for me to keep poking away at this search, however there are so far no a-ha moments.
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 03/06/2015 04:27:48
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Yes, so many ideas here, but no "a-ha" moments. I'm beginning to think Simen is a Swede. 
Does Telneset have a Bygdebok? That's where Julia was born. I can't believe he wasn't in the 1891 Census that was found. Thank you for being willing to poke around.
Jean
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I do not see a connection with this page and your Simen Johnnessen f. 1868
The page is from the Tynset Bygdebok and It is part of Neby (farm no. 75), subfarm Nylænd Nedre (75-39).
I also have the pages on Aaseng from the Vingelen Bygedbok and have started looking at the Tovdal Bygdebok. It will not be a burden for me to keep poking away at this search, however there are so far no a-ha moments.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 03/06/2015 04:35:06
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Telneset, as a town, probably not, . Bygdebok are set up to discuss the history and ownership and inheritance of farms. So the farms around Teleset would be included in the three volumes of Tynset.
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 03/06/2015 18:04:15
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I think it has become pretty obvious that Simen Johannessen is not from the Aaseng farm in Tolga.
The only thing we know, is that he must have worked there as a farmhand Autumn of 1889.
Since people normally didn't travel that far in those days, he should be born nearby. But not limited to Tynset or Tolga. Os, Folldal and Alvdal are also very likely. Plus the neighboring municipalites in Sør-Trøndelag and Oppland. That is; Oppdal, Rennebu, Midtre Gauldal, Holtålen, Røros, Dovre and Sel.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 03/06/2015 18:33:56
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I've seen pages from the Bygdebok from Vingelen regarding the Aasengs (translated by a relative from Norway) and could find no evidence of Simen there.
I agree with both the comment above and that of Jan Peter. I looked over the pages on Aasenga from the Vingelen Bygdebok again and found only two Simens, one born in 1797 and one born in 1841. No John or any variaton of that name either. Looked to see who the daughters of the right age married and only found one. Marit born 1846 married Johan Nytrøen. Found them quite easily in the 1880 US Census in Wisconsin with one small child named Esten. Lots of Esten and Amund names in this area tho.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 03/06/2015 18:39:25
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If you broaden out the search to Simen Joh* born 1868 plus/minus 2 in Oppland you do get several names. Some of them we have seen before.
View Record
Simen Johansen ??????
29 jan 1866 6 mai 1866 (6 May 1866) Sor Fron,Opland,Norway Johannes,
Maria
See number 35
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6081&idx_id=6081&uid=ny&idx_side=-25
I looked for each of the Simen’s in the Fron bygdebøker, but could not find anything. The books lack detailed genealogical information overall However here is the family in the 1875 Census for Guasdal.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01052094002456
View RecordSimen Hagbarth Johansen
29 sep 1868 24 jan 1869 Dovre,Opland,Norway Johan,
Ingri
See number 2
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-38
Died July 17, 1869 See number 30, another son with the same name was born in 1872
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&idx_id=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-139
View Record
Simen Johansen This is the same person as Simen Johannessen Lien see all the data for him on page 5
31 aug 1869 24 okt 1869 (24 Oct 1869) Kvam,Opland,Norway Johannes,
Berret
See number 36
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9260&idx_id=9260&uid=ny&idx_side=-71
Kvam could be part of the Fron Bygdebøker. I looked for each of the Simen’s in the Fron bygdebøker, but could not find anything. The books lack detailed genealogical information overall. However I did find family in the 1875 Census in Nord-Fron.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01052090006494
View RecordSimen Johansen See discusiion on page 5
21 jan 1870 18 apr 1870 Dovre,Opland,Norway John,
Anne
See number 12
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&idx_id=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-45
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 03/06/2015 18:46:41
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And for Hedmark the names look quite familiar. I have access to all three Bygdebøker for Folldal, Eggerdal and Vang so I will try and check these four out and see if any of them are of interest.
View Record
Simen Johannesen
15 jun 1866 19 aug 1866 Vang, Hedmark, Norway Johannes,
Gunnor
See number 44
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8841&idx_id=8841&uid=ny&idx_side=-143
View RecordSimen Johansen
28 mai 1866 (28 May 1866) 10 jun 1866 Folldal,Hedmark,Norway John,
Elen
See discussion on page 5
See number 29
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9200&idx_id=9200&uid=ny&idx_side=-36
View Record
Simen Johansen
7 nov 1866 10 feb 1867 Vang, Hedmark, Norway Johan,
Karen
See number 9
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1495&idx_id=1495&uid=ny&idx_side=-110
View RecordSimen Hakon Johnsen
23 jan 1869 25 mar 1869 Engerdal, Hedmark, Norway John,
Karen Maria
See number 7
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8903&idx_id=8903&uid=ny&idx_side=-31
Died in Rendal July 18, 1888
See number 8
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5016&idx_id=5016&uid=ny&idx_side=-157
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 03/06/2015 18:56:28
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In the 1900 Norwegian Census, only two names pop up for that requirement.
Actually three,
One is listed as Simen Hogan in NHDC and as Simen Johansen in Digitalakivet.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037051002048
And he is married with several children in the 1910 Census.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1910&knr=0414&kenr=003&bnr=0040&lnr=00
In the 1910 Census his birth date is listed as Nov 7 1868, I can not find a person with that birth date in Vang, Hedmark for that date. However there is a Simen Johansen birth date Nov 7, 1866 who might be the same person.
See number 9
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1495&idx_id=1495&uid=ny&idx_side=-110
And
Simen Johannessen of Gjøvik.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0502&kenr=009&bnr=0014&lnr=02
And
Simen Johansen Hole married with one child in Lesja.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0512&kenr=008&bnr=0069&lnr=00
Baptism See number 50
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5033&idx_id=5033&uid=ny&idx_side=-47
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 03/06/2015 19:04:29
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quote:
Originally posted by JeanFlor
I can't believe he wasn't in the 1891 Census that was found. Thank you for being willing to poke around.
Well, it seemed strange to me also but I only looked in the tellingskret that contained Aaseng. He could be working elsewhere in Tolga or in Tynset even.
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 03/06/2015 19:12:06
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quote:
Originally posted by JeanFlor
Yes, so many ideas here, but no "a-ha" moments. I'm beginning to think Simen is a Swede.
Jean
I doubt it, but it is very confusing, do not give up
Simen should have been recorded as incoming to Tynset if he came from another parish.
Swedes use the ending -son, Johanneson.
Kåre
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Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 03/06/2015 23:16:52
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So Julia's mother was Berit Olsdtr Øilien who was born in Tolga, Norway (Hammer) 14 Feb 1871. Berit's father was Ole Pedersen Øilien born 13 Aug 1845 in Tynset. All of Berit's older siblings were born in Tolga, but her younger ones (after 1875 sometime) were born on Ølia in Tynset.
Berit's father, Ole, had an older brother named Johan Pedersen (oldest sibling) who according to some on Ancestry was born in Hole, Tynset. The church birth record is on my Tree, but I can't read it - it's in Norwegian. It looks like it might say Holen? But I'm not sure at all - #embarrassed....and I can't upload it here.
Johan Pedersen was born 4 Nov 1832 - the son of Peder Jonsen Bersvendtrøen & Beret Johansdtr Utgaard. It does seem strange that Johan is the only sibling listed as being born in Hole.
I'm wondering that given the patronymic naming system if Simen Johansen Hole in Lesja (below) might be a good candidate? Perhaps he was a family friend? Or does 'Hole' have nothing to do with anything at all?
Jan Peder - thank you for the maps. They help. I become confused with farm names, municipalities, parishes, districts, counties, etc...
And Kåre I will never give up, but I might become fluent in Norwegian before it's over.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
In the 1900 Norwegian Census, only two names pop up for that requirement.
Simen Johannessen of Gjøvik.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0502&kenr=009&bnr=0014&lnr=02Simen Johansen Hole married with one child in Lesja.
and
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0512&kenr=008&bnr=0069&lnr=00
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 03/06/2015 23:55:33
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Ther are/were two Hole farms in Lesja:
- Hole Nordre (Nothern Hole)
- Hole Neristuen. Neristuen can be translated to "the house below"
Soon midnight in Norway, time to Close the lamp.
Kåre
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 04/06/2015 01:58:02
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who according to some on Ancestry was born in Hole, Tynset
Actually Johan was born in Holen, Tynset. See number 1
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9217&idx_id=9217&uid=ny&idx_side=-23
There are at least nine farms in Hedmark that use the name Holen. And as Kåre pointed out there are two Holen farms in Oppland. Spelling is somewhat dependent on the era.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 04/06/2015 03:23:22
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I would like someone to give me a read on the farm name after the father Johan Simensen, it looks like something? Korsvald. It will help to find this person in the Dovre Bygdebok.
View Record
Simen Hagbarth Johansen
29 sep 1868 24 jan 1869 Dovre,Opland,Norway Johan,
Ingri
See number 2
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-38
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 04/06/2015 05:36:46
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Probably the family in 1875:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052085001004
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 04/06/2015 16:46:29
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Thank you Jackie, that solves the question. His name is Johan Frederik Simesen Korsvald. His whole name in that order is given for the baptism record for his first child Fredrikke Theodora Johansen born in 1866.
See number 4
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&idx_id=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-28
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 05/06/2015 00:39:56
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Following up on Jan Peters suggestion to look close to Tolga/Tynset, the Simen Joh* born 1867 plus/minus 2 and located close to Tolga/Tylnset is this person. He is located about 60 mles from Tolga/Tynset. We have surfaced his name before.
Name: Simen Johansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 mai 1866 (28 May 1866)
Baptism Date: 10 jun 1866
Baptism Place: Folldal,Hedmark,Norway
Father: John Syversen
Mother: Elen Eriksdr
FHL Film Number: 124680
See also number 29
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9200&idx_id=9200&uid=ny&idx_side=-36
I looked at the Bygdebok for Folldal, author Ivar Streitlien this weekend and looked at the Løken farm for information. This is what I found.
Simen Jonson Løkken was born May 28, 1866at Løkken, Folldal, Hedmark and died Sept 18, 1944. His parents are as listed above.On October 7, 1892 he married Kirsti Haldorsdatter born July 21, 1873 at Klemetsplassen, Foldal Hedmarken, She is the daughter of Hador Toreson Bihaug and Ingeborg Simensdatter Flyen. After the death of his father-in-law, Simen took over Klemetsplassen. Simon and Kirsti had four childen,
Anna Eline b 8/1894
Jon b 8/151895
Haldo b 2/7 1897
Ingmar b 14/4 1902
His son Jon Simeson Klemetsplass took over the farm after the death of Simon.
There is no mention of Simen Jonson Løkken having ever worked in Aasen, Tolga or having fathered an child in Tynset. Probably not a good candidate.
He is the same person as found by Jackie and posted on page one.
" Simen Jonsen Klemmetsplads 1868 Lille Elvedalen herred* Hf g Gaardbr. selveier Tømmerdrift Lille-Elvedalens: Klemmetspladsen
03.12.1900 Folketelling 1900 for 0438 Lille Elvedalen herred "
He is also in the 1910 Census at Løkken.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/tidslinje.aspx?idi=2018788
His marriage in 1893
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9200&idx_id=9200&uid=ny&idx_side=-247
Birth of first daughter Anna Eline in 1894, See number 4
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1512&idx_id=1512&uid=ny&idx_side=-24
Baptism of first son Jon See number 17
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1512&idx_id=1512&uid=ny&idx_side=-28
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 05/06/2015 02:13:06
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The next closest person is this one in Nord Fron Oppland. Also surfaced before. He is located about 100 mles from Tynset. He is the same person as the person directly below.
Name: Simen Johansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 31 aug 1869
Baptism Date: 24 okt 1869 (24 Oct 1869)
Baptism Place: Kvam,Opland,Norway
Father: Johannes Larsen
Mother: Berret Nilsdr
Also see number 36
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9260&idx_id=9260&uid=ny&idx_side=-71
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 05/06/2015 03:18:33
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Simen Johannessen Lien
The 1900 and 1910 have a Simen Lien and Simon J. Lien.
It is possible that these two census records also refer to the above person, although the birth date above is 31 August, 1869 and the birth date for the 1910 Census is 13 August 1869.
1900 Norwegian Census
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037068000356
1910 Norwegian Census
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01036423001504
Mariage See Number 12
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4741&idx_id=4741&uid=ny&idx_side=-166
Name is Simen Johannessen Klevstadlien, probably where the Lien name comes from. And probably Klefstadlien,Kvam , Nord-Fron
Matches well with the record above.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9260&idx_id=9260&uid=ny&idx_side=-71
Confirmation See number 8
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6080&idx_id=6080&uid=ny&idx_side=-100
Baptism of wife See number 56
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9089&idx_id=9089&uid=ny&idx_side=-212
Birth of his first child See number 11
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3104&idx_id=3104&uid=ny&idx_side=-112
Probably the family in the 1865 Census.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038060003735
The famly in the 1875 Census
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01052090006489
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 05/06/2015 23:15:13
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I also looked at the Bygdebok for Dovre, author Gunnar Kaas and Arfinn Engen for
View Record
Simen Johansen
21 jan 1870 18 apr 1870 Dovre,Opland,Norway John,
Anne
See number 12
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&idx_id=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-45
Simen Jonsen was born Jan 21 1870 and died May 15, 1935 at Nordistugu Ruste, Dovre, Oppland. His parents were Jon Jonsson and Anne Bjørnersdatter from Sør Hole at Lesja. They had ten chldren including Simen. After the death of his father Simen took over the farm in 1906. . He is also listed as a sløydlæar (teacher of carpentry). In 1906 he married Guri Torresdatter from Rosten i Sel. They had four children.
Jon b 6/9/1906
Tor b 11/7/1909
Anton b 6/5/1911
Olianna b 1914
The article does mention that in 1890 father Jon and mother Anne lived on the Ruste farm with their six children including Simen.
This Simen Jonson does not seem a very likely candidate for the person we are seeking. No mention is made in the article about Simen working in Tolga or having fathered a child in Tynset. Probbly not a good candidate.
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 06/06/2015 00:35:50
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I look at all the work being done on my behalf & wish there was something more I could do. Hope you all take a weekend break at least - your time is SO appreciated. It's times like these when I wish I would have made my dad teach me a little Norwegian - he didn't speak English until he started grade school even tho he was born in MN. Happy weekend!
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 06/06/2015 02:37:59
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Well unfortunately we are running out of places to look. I have eliminated most of the eight candidates on page 4 from either Hedmark or Oppland because there seems to be no fit in the bygdebok info or they died an early death, ie the strike out ones, or the bygdebok gave no real genealogical info that was useable ie the ones with ????? marks behind their names.
We are left with:
Simen Jonsen (various spellings) b 1866 from Løkken/Klemmetsplassen, Folldal/Alvdal, Hedmark.
Smen Johannessen Lien b 1869 from Klevstadlien, Kvam, Nord-Fron, Oppland
Simen Johannessen Myhre b 1869 from Fåberg, Oppland
Placed in order of distance from Tynset.
The person left of most interest to me is the Simen Johannessen Lien from Klevstadlien, Kvam, Nord-Fron, Oppland.
There are some things that are appealing to all of them as a candidate for your Simen Johannessen, however we are sadly lacking in a direct link between any of them and Tolga or Tynset either for work or as a father to an illegimate child. Also there seems to be no common thread between the records, no common person who was a witness for the birth of a child and who comes from Tynset. Most of the witnesses that I can trace come from the parish where the baptism is taking place. I have not been able to find someone from Tolga or Tynset that would give us some link.
There are some Bygdebøker that perhaps could shed some further light on Simen Johannessen Lien but they are out of the U of M library on long term loan so it may be some time before you get anymore information on him.
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 07/06/2015 18:27:16
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I am not sure we elimanated the Simen Johannesen born November 2, 1869 in Fåberg, Oppland, he was first surfaced by Kåre and also in the DIS discussion. Kåre posted his confirmaton record and I can not find that we posted much else about him. Here is his baptism record and the 1875 Norwegian Census on him. Unfortunately Fåberg being attached to Lillehammar does not have a Bygdebok.
Baptism record see number 163
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8937&idx_id=8937&uid=ny&idx_side=-28
He and his family in 1875 Census.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01052095001484
And the 1910 Census for him.
http://da.digitalarkivet.no/ft/person/pf01036437002340
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 07/06/2015 19:51:16
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In the utflyttedes of Fåberg / Fåberg 1883-1892 there are two Simen Johannesons each left for America, one was born abt 1827 and was head of the family the other was born in 1880 and was a child in the family.
I saw no Simen Johannesons in Fåberg/ Mesna for the same period of utflyttedes.
I wonder if there might be some employment records of the farm Aaseng which might show a contract for a hire of Simen Johannesson?
Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 07/06/2015 20:27:36
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After Julia got to US is her father's birthplace reported in 1910, 1920, 1930 census as any other place than Norway?
Here #19 & #20 left are her mother and presumed auntie leaving for America, the note appears to say what?:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tynset in Tynset, Parish register (official) nr. 22 (1880-1899), Emigration records 1893-1896, page 275.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4060&idx_id=4060&uid=ny&idx_side=-255
Johanna above in Findagrave index:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLY-DC7V
Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 07/06/2015 23:39:56
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We only have the 1910 and 1920 US Census for Julie. She arrived in 1904 and died in 1929. I think she is living in Douglas County Wisconsin in 1910 under the name Julia Lien and near her aunt Oline. In 1920 she is married to Edward Smith and living in Barnes County, North Dakota. In both instances she lists both mother and father's birth place as Norway.
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 08/06/2015 04:52:02
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quote:Beret: born 14 feb 1871, chr 26 mar 1871, conf 10 oct 1886. Available for marriage certificate of 6 sep 1892.
Originally posted by jkmarler
After Julia got to US is her father's birthplace reported in 1910, 1920, 1930 census as any other place than Norway?
Here #19 & #20 left are her mother and presumed auntie leaving for America, the note appears to say what?:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tynset in Tynset, Parish register (official) nr. 22 (1880-1899), Emigration records 1893-1896, page 275.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4060&idx_id=4060&uid=ny&idx_side=-255
Johanna above in Findagrave index:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLY-DC7V
Johanna: born 27 oct 1873, chr 3 nov 1873, conf 7 oct 1888. Good moral. Communicant. Available for marriage certificate of 6 sep 1892.
Note that Beret is not quoted with "Good moral" in the churchbook, as opposed to her younger sister Johanne. This is of course due to her illegitimate child.
Reply author: JeanFlor
Replied on: 08/06/2015 10:03:19
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Thank you for locating Julia in the 1910 Census. We had all thought she had come straight to North Dakota - yes, I too believe that is her in Douglas County (near her aunt, Oline). Julia is in ND in 1911 or shortly after. In 1914 she marries Edward Smith - they have 2 children. Edward dies in 1920 as a result of the flu pandemic. Julia goes back to Wisconsin to be close to her aunt Oline & marries Edward Brevik in 1929....then dies during the birth of her third child, Julian. Her 3 children are then raised by Julia's aunt. A rather tragic life. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46759556&ref=acom
You might not have been able to figure out who it is, but at least I know who it's not. :-)
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