Seeking Information on GG Father Ole Olsen

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Topic author: kayryan
Subject: Seeking Information on GG Father Ole Olsen
Posted on: 28/10/2016 14:31:06
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Looking for information on my Great Grandfather Ole Olsen & his identical twin brother Andrew Olsen, born about 1856. Mothers name possibly Johanna. They were on a ship as crew to Australia docking possibly in Adelaide. Australia about the late 1880's.They jumped ship & didn't return to Norway. My Great Grandfather married Emily Wilcox in 1890 in Liverpool New South Wales, Australia. He was involved in the Salvation Army in 1990. He had 2 children Ernest & Rose. Don't know what happened to Andrew & cant find information for Ole who was known in Australia as John. Ole died in 1918 in Australia. I have photos of them both.

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Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 28/10/2016 16:11:39
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Hi kayryan, here we have a familiar problem, that too little is known about the emigrant in his new adopted country. Thus, there is no way to toss a line out to Norway and have it catch on the answer.

Ole Olsen and Andrew (Andreas or Anders, maybe) are common names. Being twins is distinctive, but the set up of the Norway digital archives does not allow to search for twins. (see Jackie's note re twins)

No full birth day-month-year is known. No known parents. No known location in Norway. No definite location and date of arrival in NSW.

On the plus side, 1856 or thereabouts is a great birth era, since Norway 1865 census is digitally searchable and the boys are likely still living together as twins, with parents, at that time. That said, we sometimes find that the birth year for these mysterious emigrants may be earlier than thought. Ole and Anders could get a job on a ship after confirmation, about age 14.

The forum may miraculously find an answer for you. But more likely, you'll need to scour Australia first to gather as much data as possible.

Ole's parents may be named on his marriage record. Do you have a copy of the original?
Ditto his death record.
Ditto his obituary.
If he became a naturalized citizen, his citizenship papers may shed light.
The birth, marriage, and death records, etc, for his children may hold clues - such as listing his name in an alternate way. Apparently you have some record or records that name him John? If Ernest and Rose had middle names, those could be clues.
Ole's occupation or land records might, maybe, be relevant.
The church membership of Ole and Emily, if any, might be relevant (sometimes both a civil marriage record exists AND a church record, for example).

The next step then would be to post all your information - naming each source, and posting all information in that source. For example, a fuller description of why his mother might be Johanne. See the Christain Tromm thread as an example of the forum's tolerance for, and need of, as much detail as possible!

All best

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 28/10/2016 17:04:32
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There is a Family Tree on Ancestry.com that has some information on this family. However as expected nothing is know of the parents of John (Ole) and Andrew. I will post what I find in the hopes that it will lead us somewhat. It does not give us much to go on.

John Olsen
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: John Olsen
Death Date: 1918
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's name: Ole
Mother's name: Johanna
Registration Year: 1918
Registration Place: Liverpool, New South Wales
Registration Number: 7033

John Olsen
in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: John Olsen
Spouse Name: Emily Wilcox
Marriage Date: 1890
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Liverpool, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Number: 4581

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 28/10/2016 17:08:14
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The information on the twin brother is actually more complete.

Andrew Olsen
in the New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Coroners' Inquests, 1821-1937
Name: Andrew Olsen
Birth Year: abt 1857
Birth Place: Christiana, Norway
Death Year: Abt 1928
Death Place: Sydney
Inquest Date: 24 May 1928
Inquest Place: Sydney
Age: 71

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 28/10/2016 17:24:57
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That could be the right Andrew. Maybe same man here: link

North Ryde is a suburb of Sydney.

There are other Olsens buried same cemetery, could check with cemetery about whether thIs Andrew is buried beside a wife. link

Find a Grave has a John Olsen died 1918 in Liverpool NSW. He was born 1844. link

Here is Emily Wilcox Olsen, 1860-1920, FAG memorial in Grafton link


So.....

Thus far we have no evidence his name was Ole.
We haven't firmed up whether for sure that's his death record posted 1918
We have no evidence he was born ca 1856 (the death record that was cited seems to match the FAG memorial for John b ca 1844)

These issues can be cleared up; I'm just summarizing where we're at now.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 28/10/2016 18:47:02
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There is a way to search for twins in the advanced search at the Norwegian Digital archives. The caveats are that the person must be identified as a twin the in the record. Avoid using last or patronmyic names as any of the transcribed baptismal records (wherein twins are sometimes identified) don't have surnames. So search by first name,
in this case And* (so you get as many spellings of Andrew, Andreas, Anders etc.) birth year 185* (since there are some possible variations in the known record) and tvi* in "stilling og stand". This one's actual twin in this case is a Mathias Olsen not Ole but linked to as an example:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038117002345

So here is an Anders and Ole pair of twins b 1852:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/255/pd00000011439197
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/255/pd00000011439198

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 28/10/2016 19:42:52
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Interesting.

Checking the twins found at birth - they aren't with Ole Andersen / Olia Østensdatter family in 1865 census.

Ole Andersen and family emigrating 1868
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000002175

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 28/10/2016 20:16:49
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Here is a very good possibility. Asker is just outside Oslo/Christiania.

#51 Andreas Olsen, birth: 14 January 1857, christening: 22 February 1857
#52 Ole Olsen, birth: 14 January 1857, christening: 22 February 1857
Parents: Ole Aalsen & Henrikke Olsdr, Høvigeie, Asker, Akershus.

The mother is a widow with her twins in census-1865.

The twins Ole Olsen Tanum & Andreas Olsen Høvigeiet were confirmed on October 1st, 1871, see #20 and #21.
"Tanum" indicates that Ole is working as a farmhand on the Tanum farm. "Høvigeiet" is the place they were born, so Andreas is probably at home, assisting his mother.

Ole Olsen is a sailor in census-1875.

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 28/10/2016 22:01:22
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Ole Olsen Høvig b 1857 is looking good! Now if we can pitch that death record with mother Johanne, that would be great.

As a weird aside, "Larvevollen" is a little reminiscent of that mysterious place name for Christian Tromm (didn't that start "Lauden...")?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 28/10/2016 22:17:14
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Ole Ouelsen (37) & Hendrikka Olsdr (29) got married in Asker, Akershus on 14 Apr 1844. See #16.
His father: Ouel Poulsen
Her father: Ole Hendriksen

Census-1875 shows that the twins Ole and Andreas has an older sister named Ingeborg Oline, born 1848. She has a child named Andreas, born 1870.
Both Ingeborg and her mother Hendrikke are widows, and are receiving support from the poor relief fund.

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 28/10/2016 22:45:21
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This could be Andreas Olsen in 1875 link

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 29/10/2016 00:14:43
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This looks like the twins' newphew:
#231 Andreas Johansen, birth: 11 October 1870, christening: 25 December 1870, Asker, Akershus.
Parents: Blacksmith Johan Andreasen (22) & Ingeborg Olsdr (23), Lysaker

I'm not sure how to proceed here? How can these twins be tied to the Australian brothers? To dig further back in their ancestry here in Norway does not seem relevant at this stage.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/10/2016 00:22:45
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Sailor's records maybe....

Mother's dodfallsprotokol maybe

Obits in Australia maybe

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 29/10/2016 00:58:01
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I have a very good feeling for these twins.
- Born in 1857
- Living just outside Oslo (today it's within the borders of Oslo)
- Ole is a sailor in 1875.
- What looks like Andreas is a blacksmith-boy at a shipowner in 1875.
- Father is dead before 1865, and mother (61) is living on the poor relief fund in 1875. A high possiblity that she passed away before 1890.

Reply author: vivi
Replied on: 29/10/2016 01:05:19
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Hi

The twins mother died 9. april 1901. All the "dødsfallprotokoll" tells is that she has 3 children. No 41:
SAO, Bærum lensmannskontor, H/Ha/Haa/L0001: Dødsanmeldelsesprotokoll, 1901-1910, s. 4
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090527320512

She lives with her daughter in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037029002228

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/10/2016 01:55:36
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Depending on what the source is for the name Johanna-- apparently from a transcribed death record, was the informant someone who should know?

#43 is apparently Henrikke Olsdatter's confirmation, without mention of an additional name like Johanna:
SAO, Nes prestekontor Kirkebøker, A/Aa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. I 5, 1815-1835, s. 540-541
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061103050032

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/10/2016 02:17:37
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Here's the daughter Kristine that Vivi found:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWVQ-4TL

And a brother Anton:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4KB-J5X

Reply author: kayryan
Replied on: 29/10/2016 04:52:10
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Thank you everyone for your interest in this puzzle. And thanks for all the links to possible matches. I'm sure the ancestry.com information gained, was from my family tree with ancestry.com.au. I have only been developing my Family tree on ancestry.com this year. I don't live in NSW where my Great Grandfather lived. I think I now need as suggested to seek out some copies of marriage & death certificates, if they still exist in the Archives, in the hope there will be some information regarding Oles parents.Then with the information I may be able to confirm his family as the ones you've found. Thanks again. I really appreciate your work.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/10/2016 06:49:33
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Per Jane's suspicions earlier (the birthyear of the dead in 1918 John Olsen noted as 1844)the John Olsen who married Emily Wilcox died 4 January 1939 at the age of 81 years. It's reported in the Family Notices section of the Sydney Morning Herald, 5 Jan 1939, pg 8, col1.

"OLSEN--January 4, 1939, at Prince Henry Hospital, John Olsen (late of Grafton) relict of the late Emily Olsen, and loving father of Ernest and Rose (Mrs. W. Watman of Grafton), age 81 years."

In that same issue but page 7, col 8 in the Advertising section:
"OLSEN --The Relatives and Friends of the late JOHN OLSEN (late of Grafton) are invited to attend his Funeral to leave the Salvation Army Citadel, Dulwich Hill. THIS DAY after a service commencing at 2:45 p.m. for the Baptist Portion, Northern Suburbs Cemetery.
WALTERS and SON
LM1678 Dulwich Hill Terminus."

Emily Olsen's obit was reported in the Northern Star
in Lismore, New South Wales on Saturday 24 Jan 1920, pg 4, col 3 in the Personal section:

"By the death of Mrs. John Olsen, which occurred last week, Grafton loses another old identity. Deceased, who was 59 years of age, lived at Alipon Creek with her parents (Mr. and Mrs. Wilcox) during her early life. She leaves one married son (Ernie), who is connected to the Postal Department, and one daughter (Rose), living at home. Mr. Olsen for many years has been an employee of the Grafton Municipal Council, and both he and his late wife were staunch members of the Salvation Army."

And there is this article published in the Clarence and Richmond Examiner at Grafton, New South Wales Thursday 11 Sep 1913, pg 1 titled "Wages Award Board":

"John Olsen, senior maintenance man, at Grafton for nearly 20 years did similar work to the previous witness. During the past four years received 8s 6d per day; gets 14 days holiday and all the public holidays; is married and has two children; occupies a cottage worth 1 2s a week; does not think it practicable for the Council to have separate men for separate trades in the work. The rate of living has increased since the Labour party came into power. His position under the Council is better than that of an ordinary workman."

Not much of which is a help to clarify his Norwegian origins or the nature of the name change from Ole to John, confirm birthplace of Christiana, relationship as a twin, or even a sailing career but does debunk his mother's name as Johanna. There are large numbers of John Olsens covered in Australian newspapers at The Trove among the 297 articles in NSW there were at least 4 deceased John Olsens described as Norwegian, one German and one Swede and even one Belgian.

If the family traditions (about the twin and Oslo origins) are true I think the twins that Jan has found could fill the bill but there needs a lot more leg work to be done in Australia.

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 29/10/2016 13:11:06
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Jackie's finds are a game changer. Here is an FAG memorial for John Olsen who died in 1939 in Sydney (and noted in obit as previously from Grafton). He is buried same cemetery in North Ryde suburb as the aforementioned Andrew. link

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/10/2016 13:45:02
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Since the Andrew of interest and John Olsen are buried in the same cemetery, perhaps T.V.F.T.H. the poster of the memorials at FAG can tell us if the two men are physically in the same plot? That could be an invisible thread of connection...

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 29/10/2016 14:57:25
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There was another, more full obituary published on John Olsen in the Grafton Daily paper. This obit mentions his age as 89 years, that he was a 50 year resident of Australia, that he was a native of Norway that he attained the rank of Captain in the Salvation Army until his health dictated that he had to change his occupation. No full birthdate was given.

It says that John came to Grafton about 1888 and was made captain in the S.A. there. I wonder if the Salvation Army might have some records of interest to the O.P and this search?

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 29/10/2016 15:14:02
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Good idea.

The brother Anton died as a child in 1862

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 29/10/2016 18:53:27
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BINGO!!!!


Sydney, Australia, Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions
Name: John Olsen
Age: 80
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1858 <-----------------
Death Date: 4 Jan 1939
Burial Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Cemetery: Macquarie Park
Section: A Row: 2
Inscription: b. 14 Jan 1858
Denomination: Baptist


Sydney, Australia, Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions
Name: Andrew Olsen
Age: 70
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1858
Death Date:
11 May 1928
Burial Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Cemetery: Macquarie Park
Section: A Row: 2
Inscription: b. 14 Jan 1858
Denomination: Baptist


Again, the Norwegian church book record for the twins that Jan Peter found and posted:
Born 14 January 1857
Christened 22 February 1857
Residence: Høvigeie
Asker, Akershus, Norway
#51 Andreas Olsen
#52 Ole Olsen
Parents: Ole Aalsen & Henrikke Olsdatter
Twins Birth


Naturalization record below. (Source: State Records Authority of New South Wales; Kingswood, New South Wales, Australia; Series: Registers of Certificates of Naturalization, 1849-1859 and 1876-1903; Series Number: NRS 1040; Roll: 139)

Naturalized: 10 Feb 1902
John Olsen of Grafton
a native of Christiania, Norway [=Oslo]
age 44 years
who is a laborer
and arrived in the state of New South Wales
by the ship Koonoowarra in the year 1885
who has resided in said state for 16 years
swears allegiance etc


Naturalized: 24 Feb 1902
Andrew Olsen of East Orange
a native of Christiania, Norway [=Oslo]
age 44 years
who is a dealer(? I'm not sure what the handwriting says)
and arrived in the state of New South Wales
by the ship Austral in the year 1885
who has resided in said state for 16 years
swears allegiance etc


1903-1904 Australia Electoral Rolls
Orange (sub-district), New South Wales, Orange (district), Australia
Name: Andrew Olsen
Residence Address: William Street, East Orange
Occupation: dealer


1913 Australia Electoral Rolls
East Orange (sub-district), New South Wales, Orange (district), Australia
Name: Andrew Olsen
Residence Address: Edward Street, East Orange
Occupation: dealer
Evelyn Olsen at the same address, occupation: domestic duties


Memorial to Evelyn, died 1963, buried same cemetery as Andrew and John link


Sydney, Australia, Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions
Name: Evelyn Olsen
Age: 90
Birth Date: 12 May 1872
Death Date: 14 Feb 1963
Burial Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Cemetery: Macquarie Park
Section: A Row: 2
Inscription: wife of Andrew. b. 12 May 1872
Denomination: Baptist


Other Olsens at the same cemetery could be checked out. As one example, the Find-a-Grave Memorial # for Gordon Leonard Olsen is close to the # for Evelyn and Andrew (though whether that means this is a family plot is not specified).
link

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 29/10/2016 22:08:34
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Very nice Jane, Perhaps the arrival of Andreas in 1885. No age or birth year given. Listed as a passenger with occupation of labourer

Andreas Olsen
in the Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
Name: Andreas Olsen
Arrival Date: 25 May 1885
Arrival Port: Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Austral

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 29/10/2016 22:14:44
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That's a great find Jane.
So we have the right twins!

To summarize:
Parents: Ole Aalsen (born ca 1807 - dead between 1856 and 1866) & Henrikke Olsdr (born 18 Feb 1815 - dead 09 Apr 1901)
Children:
1) Laura Olsdatter, born 07 Oct 1845
2) Ingeborg Oline Olsdatter, born 02 Aug 1848
3) Christine Olesdatter, born 07 Jun 1850 (dead between 1901 and 1910)
4) Anton Olsen, born 28 Jun 1854 - dead 03 May 1862
5) Ole Olsen, born 14 Jan 1857 - dead 04 Jan 1939, Sydney, Australia
6) Andreas Olsen, born 14 Jan 1857 - dead 11 May 1928, Sydney. Australia

Christine is married to Bernt Andersen in 1900. I've found 4 children, but can't find either of them in 1910...
Children to Christine & Bernt:
1) Gunda, birth: 21 Mar 1873. (updated)
2) Ole, birth: 01 Sep 1874. (updated)
3) Harald Rudolf Andersen, birth: 16 Sep 1877, chr: 03 Mar 1878, Østre Bærum, Akershus, Norway
4) Anton Andersen, birth: 02 Apr 1880, chr: 15 Aug 1880, Østre Bærum, Akershus, Norway
5) Teodor Andersen, birth: 09 Mar 1882, chr: 16 Apr 1882, Østre Bærum, Akershus, Norway. Death: 1882
6) Olga Emilie Andersen, birth: 14 Oct 1884, chr: 08 Feb 1885, Østre Bærum, Akershus, Norway.

Widower Bernt in census-1910

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/10/2016 00:01:19
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The 1975 census says Ole and his mother was living at Larvevollen under Høvig.
This is a misspelling, Larvevollen is acually Sarbuvollen. (cottagers place under nordre Høvig, just 15 min from where I live).
Where the family was living in 1965 and earlier was not at Sarbuvollen according to the bygdebok.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 00:52:50
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Woohoo!

Another great communal effort at norwayheritage! If Jan hadn't found the right set of twins to start with we wouldn't have had a beginning. Jane made an extremely inspired effort in the Australian records only to bring it on home. Good on you both!

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 01:30:12
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I know, right? That was a fun group effort by everyone! The obit was crucial. Jan Peter, sorry I misspoke about the brilliant find of Ole and Andreas in Asker. The round-up of the family is really helpful.

Here's a daughter Laura for Ole Aalsen and Henrikke Olsdatter, born 1845: link

Laura married Johan Gustav Johansen in 1871: link

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 01:50:46
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He intended to go Andreas # 1 on left page under 1885:
SAO, Asker prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. II 2, 1879-1921, s. 172
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061002010361

Reply author: kayryan
Replied on: 30/10/2016 01:55:31
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Whoohoo indeed! You really are an amazing group of people. My sister Jane and I are thrilled with all this detailed information that you have found. We had tried for months to dig up anything that linked us to the right Ole Olsen. We had limited information from our Mother and Aunt(both now deceased) We have 3 photos of Ole and only one with Andrew. Writing on the back of a portrait of Ole said Captain John Olsen Liverpool June 1890.( Is wearing his Salvation Army Uniform). Not a lot to go on about his past. Clearly a lot of Norwegian sailors jumped ship when they landed in Australia by my own searches, & I knew searching for Ole Olsen was like searching for John Smith. Without your breakthrough in finding the correct twins( a fact I would not have even known how to obtain) we would still be in the dark about this mysterious Great Grandfather. I actually have always had the portrait of Ole on display, as it's such a well preserved and interesting link to my past. I really can't thank you all enough for your speedy work in unlocking this puzzle. I've been letting my sister know of your efforts and she has now applied to join your site too. We are both excited and I can't stop smiling. Thank you, Thankyou

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/10/2016 01:57:02
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Originally posted by JaneC

I know, right? That was a fun group effort by everyone! The obit was crucial. Jan Peter, sorry I misspoke about the brilliant find of Ole and Andreas in Asker. The round-up of the family is really helpful.

Here's a daughter Laura for Ole Aalsen and Henrikke Olsdatter, born 1845: link

Laura married Johan Gustav Johansen in 1871: link

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Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 01:58:23
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Funny, kayryan and Jan Peter, your notes came in while I wrote the following. Busy place tonight!.

So Andreas registered with his local parish his intention to emigrate to Australia. From the transcribed passenger manifest of the Austral, posted by Anton, Andreas seems to be a passenger, not a crewman. The story about working as a crewman and jumping ship doesn't apply to him.

Laura's husband Johan Gustav Johansen birth record 1850:
link

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/10/2016 02:13:58
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Originally posted by jkmarler

He intended to go Andreas # 1 on left page under 1885:
SAO, Asker prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fb/L0002: Ministerialbok nr. II 2, 1879-1921, s. 172
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061002010361

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 02:17:10
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Ole Aalsen's father with the unusual first name spelled in places as Ouel, or Aal. Here is a possible in the 1801 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058228003229

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/10/2016 02:23:36
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Next to the farm Høvigeie where Andreas and Ole were born, were the glassworks factory Høvik Glassverk.
Pictured below is the factory, and the factoryworkers from 1902. Høvigeie farm must have been located just behind the factory.
Christine's husband, blacksmith Bernt Andersen (53) might be on the picture. He is a blacksmith at this factory both in census-1900 and census-1910.

Reply author: kayryan
Replied on: 30/10/2016 02:30:50
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What exactly is the document recently posted by jkmarler? As I don't speak Norwegian, I am just presuming it is the intention to go to Australia document ?
The "Jumping Ship" story didn't really fit the twins, due to the devoutly religious life they ultimately lead here in Australia. This I'm sure, if the story had been true, would have been a punishable Criminal offence. Yet another piece of misinformation that sent us looking in the wrong places for information on their past.
Also how do you post photos on this Forum?
Thankyou again

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 02:52:19
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The last most recent is a transcription of the 1801 census which might contain the father does contain both parents of Ole Aalsen the twins' father.

The previous most recent to that is the "out migrating" parish record for Andreas Olsen. You were supposed to go to your pastor and get a copy of your records and inform of your leaving the parish. Not everybody did this but nice to see that he said he was going to Australia.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/10/2016 08:41:00
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Ole Oulsen (Ole Aalsen) was born Aug 2 1807.
His parents were Ouls Poulsen and Ingebor Amundsdatter, Sandager.
Ole had a sister Ragnild born May 8 1799. 1st record on right page.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/10/2016 09:06:04
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Høvigeie farm must have been located just behind the factory.

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Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 09:37:38
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A little more about your cousins - descendants of Ole Aalsen and Henrikke Olsdatter. They had a daughter Christine b 1850 who married Bernt Andersen, as Jan Peter posted. Christine and Bernt Andersen had a daughter Olga Emelie Andersen born 14 October 1884.

I didn't yet find a marriage record for Olga Emelie, so the following is not verified enough, but I wonder if this could be her, as mother to Ellen Kirstine Hermansson born 14 October 1905 in Sweden:link


This young family emigrated from Norway to USA in 1907. The emigration record says this Olga Emilie was born 14 October 1884- in the emigration record, Olga Emelie and daughter Ellen Kirstine are both given 14 October as birth day (which raises the question whether Olga's DOB is a mistake or not). Karl Henning Hermansson's occupation is "glasarb" and the family has been living at Baerum, so that's a good fit.
link

A Carl H Hermanson b Sweden and wife Olga b Norway ca 1884 are living in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA in 1930 and 1940 census. Edit: Further research shows this is a different family.

Christine Olsdatter b 1850 and Bernt Andersen also had a son Harald Rudolf Andersen. This 1902 emigration record is probably Harald. He is going to Iowa:
Harald Rudolf Andersen (Berntsen)
age 24, unmarried, residence Høvik
Occupation: glasarb
link

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/10/2016 09:56:31
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Henrike Olsdatter was born Ferb 8 1815 see right page.
Her parents were Ole Henriksen and Aase Olsdatter, Ingeborud.
Ole Henriksen, Skarning and Aase Olsdatter, Grinie were married Jan 11 1812, see Jan 11 1812 see left page.
Henrike had a sister Birthe Maria, born 1812 and a sister Marthe Olene born i 1817.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/10/2016 10:09:45
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Aase Olsdatter, Grinie was baptized July 29 1781, see 8th record on right page.
Her parents were Ole Engelbretsen and Marta Knudsdatter, Greenie ejet.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/10/2016 11:04:05
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quote:

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Originally posted by JaneC

Funny, kayryan and Jan Peter, your notes came in while I wrote the following. Busy place tonight!.

So Andreas registered with his local parish his intention to emigrate to Australia. From the transcribed passenger manifest of the Austral, posted by Anton, Andreas seems to be a passenger, not a crewman. The story about working as a crewman and jumping ship doesn't apply to him.

Laura's husband Johan Gustav Johansen birth record 1850:
link

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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/10/2016 11:11:21
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Ole Henrichsen, Scharning was born 1798, his parents was Henrich Hansen and Lisbeth Hansdatter.
He had a sister Ragnild born in 1801.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 11:27:01
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Originally posted by JaneC

Karl Henning Hermanson and Olga Emelie Andersen are living in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA in 1930 and 1940 census.

1930
Lowell, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Carl H Hermanson, 42 b Sweden
Olga Hermanson, 45 b Norway
John H Hermanson 9 b Massachusetts
Robert S Hermanson 5 b Massachusetts
link

The following transcription has a different birth year for Carl, which must be a mistake.

1940
Lowell, Massachusetts
Carl H Hermanson 51 born in Sweden
Olga Hermanson 56 born in Norway
Robert Hermanson 15 born in Massachusetts
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4VR-F4C

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Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 11:33:41
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Coming back having found birth record for John Herbert Hermanson on Family Search - born 1921 in Boston, Massachusetts, and his mother was Olga Petersen.

So the family in Lowell, Massachusetts is a different family.

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 11:58:48
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Originally posted by jwiborg

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Originally posted by JaneC


Laura's husband Johan Gustav Johansen birth record 1850:
link

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This must be Johan Gustav Johansen in census-1910. Seems to have re-married.
Where are Laura and their sons Kristian Fridtjof Johansen born 22 Apr 1871 and Harald Olaf Johansen born 12 May 1873?

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 13:17:00
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Harold Rudolph Anderson has two possibles. In 1905 in Iowa:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2S8Z-ST6

And in Corning New York in 1910:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5HB-T76

In WWI draft registration cards, occupation as glass blower and nearest relative is Anthony Anderson:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXBD-DTV

In 1920 as a widower:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVSJ-FKJ

In 1930 as a widower:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4YS-NDD

In 1940:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K79K-DPK

Florence Anderson daughter of Harold Anderson married Louis Larson on 11 April 1925 in Corning. Louis was employed as a "gaffer" at Corning Glass Works.

I echo Jane's remark below about the family's continued work with glass. In a very interesting article in the Evening Leader published in Corning N.Y, on Wed 26 May 1926 pg 1 col 6 the whereabouts of Harold Anderson's daughters are pretty well covered:
"LEAVES FOR NEW HOME
Miss Lillian Anderson of New York City, has left for Buffalo after spending two weeks here as the guest of Mrs. Louis Larson and Mrs. Anton Anderson. Miss Anderson will visit Mrs. Walter Larson of Buffalo, formerly Miss Helen Anderson, of this city. She will be accompanied to Buffalo by Mrs. Louis Larson, who will then go to Huntington, West Va. where she will make her new home. Mr. Larson is located in Huntington, where he accepted a position."

West Virginia, including Huntington, is also a center for manufacture of art and service glass in U.S.

Here is the address for the Old Fulton site which Jane mentioned and I have been reporting from. You might enjoy looking up these articles since they are in English. Must warn you though the site is very particular that you have the most up-to-date viewer:
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

While I'm on it the Australian newspaper site is called the Trove and is searchable directly at http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/
and by elephind.com

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 13:37:21
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Anton Andersen's WWI draft reg card in Steuben county, New York:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXBD-DTD

In FAG:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK1X-LR5S

At the 101st anniversary celebration (in December of 1952) of the Corning Glass Works these employees received pins marking their entry into the 45 year category:
Anton Anderson, Harold R Anderson, Carl H. Beck,...

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/10/2016 13:44:38
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Originally posted by JaneC
Laura Olsdatter b 1845, the oldest sister of John Olsen in Australia, must have died before the 1875 census.

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Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 13:54:17
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Sad about Laura.

Anton Andersen in Steuben county, New York states on WWI draft card a birth date of 02 April 1880 (see Jackie post above).

So to be clear, this shows he is Anton Andersen, son of Christine Olsdatter b 1850 and Bernt Andersen (Christine being a sister of John Olsen in Australia). Jan Peter posted the birth of their Anton 02 April 1880. Here again: link

Old Fulton Postcards website with historical newspapers has an article about "50-year Vets" that mentions Anton Anderson and Harold Anderson. The PDF doesn't open for me at the moment.

It seems, kayryan, that glass work is a significant theme in your extended family history! picture

You asked how to post a picture. I think Jan Petrr uses tinypics website. Load an image there, and you can then post that URL here, which will show up as an image.

Reply author: kayryan
Replied on: 30/10/2016 14:32:58
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Poor Laura didn't even make it to 30. Harsh times back then. The spelling in the records for Christine vary to Kirstine & Kristine. On familysearch.com there seem to be 2 more babies born to a Kristine. One Gunda Berntsen 21/3/1873 & Ole Berntsen 1/9/1874. I guess being close to the Glass factory it must have been in their blood to work with glass. Such a lot of great information. I started this search knowing very little about Ole. He has become a bit more real now with all this information.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/10/2016 14:51:08
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Pictures from Høvik Glasswork, link..

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 14:52:46
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Good finds.

1875
Residence: Stabækbraaten
Asker, Akershus
Bernt Andersen b 1849 Ø Bærum
Kristine Olsdatter b 1850
Gunda b 1873
Ole b 1875
link

Here again, at a section of the same farm, is Andreas Olsen b 1857 (twin brother who went to Australia)
link

See also other family records at Stabæk (or sub-farms of it) such as Ingeborg Oline birth 1848 and Christine birth 1850 (sisters to Ole/John Olsen).

A discussion here, about Gunda and her marriage: link

Discussion mentions Gunda Andersen b in 1873 at Stabækbraaten in Vestre Bærum, father smed Bernt Andersen. Says she married 20 March 1892 in Bryn church to Robert Paul Richard Scholz, occupation blikkenslager, who was born in Berlin. link to marriage

Probably the son in 1900
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01065522090807

Gunda in 1900 in Stavanger
link

Gunda in Bergen in 1922 link

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 30/10/2016 16:20:09
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Wow I took a few hours off, came back and was two pages behind.

Anyway here is Harald Olaf and family arriving in Boston tho, not New York. They are traveling to father Mr. John Johansen, Corning New York.

Harald Johansen
in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Harald Johansen
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Nationality: Norwegian
Birth Date: abt 1873
Birth Place: Havik, Norway
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 10 Oct 1907
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Last Residence: Norway
Friend: Harold Berndsen
Ship: Ivernia

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/10/2016 16:41:30
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Our belowed father, father-in-law, grandfather and g.grandfather
Bernt Andersen
died quietly today, 68 y.o.
Bergen, January 17th, 1918
Children, children-in-law, grandchildren
Gunda Scholz, Paul Scholz
Ole Berntsen
The Funeral starts at home, "Fjeldly", Damsgaard, friday January 25th at 12 o'clock

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 16:43:03
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Nice, Anton and Jan Peter!

Kayryan, in the birth record for John Olsen's daughter Rose in 1894, she is listed as Rose H L Olsen, is that right? I am curious if the H stands for Henrikke.

Gunda's daughter Olga Florence Scholz on the link. (Gunda b 1873 was daughter of Christine Olsdatter b 1850 - Christine was John Olsen's sister.)
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/sok/person?s=olga+florence+scholz

Husband of Olga Florence Scholz, Nils Christian Nærø, in Bergen 1934
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/nn-no/gen/vis/108/pc00000000466026

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 30/10/2016 16:51:35
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Kayryan, if you have a subscription to Ancesttry.com you might find the original document interesting.

Vendela Johansen
in the U.S., Consular Registration Certificates, 1907-1918
Name: Vendela Johansen
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1878
Birth Place: Havik
Spouse: Harald Olaf Johansen

Here is the family in the 1925 New York Census

Vendla Johnson
in the New York, State Census, 1925
Name: Vendla Johnson
Birth Date: abt 1878
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 47
Gender: Female
Residence Place: Corning, Steuben
Relationship: Wife
Color or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 18
Assembly District: 01
House Number: 67
Line Number: 18
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Harold O Johnson 52
Vendla Johnson 47
Iver Johnson 29

By 1930 Ivar was married with one child and the whole family was living in Chicago. Only post part here.

Harold O Johnson
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Harold O Johnson
Birth Year: abt 1874
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Father
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Occupation: Glass Blower
Industry: neon Signs manufacture

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 30/10/2016 17:24:21
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Going back to page 3 to fill in some information posted by Jane.

Here is the arrival of Carl Hermansson, wife Olga and daughter Ellen in 1907. Going to Corning New York to brother Mr. Fritz Beck, Corning, New York.

Carl Hermansen
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Carl Hermansen
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1907
Birth Date: abt 1880
Birth Location Other: boraas
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: United States

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/10/2016 17:36:11
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Robert Paul Richard Scholtz (27 Jul 1869 - 02 Jan 1956) were a factory owner- and founder, and started among others "Stavanger Bliktrykkeri og Maskinværksted" in 1905. They made tincans.
Paul & Gunda had 10 children:
1 Valeska Scholz 1892 Sandviken Christiania
2 Harald Alexander Scholz 31.01.1894 Sandviken Christiania. Death: 25 Jan 1981
3 Gyda Scholz 1896 Sandviken Christiania
4 Frieda Bergliot Scholz 28.07.1897 Stavanger
5 Solveig Hjørdis Scholz 26.07.1899 Stavanger
6 Esther Louise Scholz 06.12.1901 Stavanger
7 Frithjof Paul Scholz 30.08.1903 Stavanger (Date from census-1922.) I think correct date is 30.10.1903
8 Olga Florence Scholz 28.07.1905 Stavanger
9 Walther Gerhard Scholz 27.08.1908 Stavanger
10 Astrid Johanne Scholz 30.05.1910 Stavanger

Fridtjof Paul Scholz 30 Oct 1903 - 22 June 1978
Martha Scholz (nee Wietfeldt) 08 Mar 1904 - 26 Feb 1991
Buried at Rolvsøy, Fredrikstad.
Gunda died in 1937 (buried june 23rd). The family have a familygraveyard in Bergen.




Tincan from Stavanger Bliktrykkeri og Maskinværksted.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 18:21:54
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A Terry Colegrove family database might be worth following up on only 12000 or so entries. Here's what it's got on Ellen Beck's family:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=tcolegrove1&id=I438

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/10/2016 18:29:46
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The man to the right in this picture is named Paul-Gerhard Scholz, and lives in Frekhaug, Hordaland, just north of Bergen.
With that firstname, lastname and location, I would be very surprised if he's not a grandson of Gunda!
Paul-Gerhard is a local historian in the township, and has been an editor of local history books.
I think he could be your third cousin... you might contact him using the email-address found here. Possibly his son.


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Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 20:33:05
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A reference to the Koonawarra here. link

Spelled Konoowarra here. link

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 30/10/2016 21:21:18
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Carl Hermansen became Carl Henning Beck by 1917. He lists his occupaton a Glassblower at the Corning Glass Works and his nearest relative as his daughter Ellen Beck, so I assume he is a widower at this time.

Carl Hening Beck
in the U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Carl Hening Beck
[Carl Hennig Beck]
County: Steuben
State: New York
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1880
Race: White
Draft Board: 1

Marries again and has son named Donald.

Carl H Beck
in the New York, State Census, 1925
Name: Carl H Beck
Birth Date: abt 1881
Birth Place: Sweden
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Residence Place: Corning, Steuben
Relationship: Head
Color or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 15
Assembly District: 01
House Number: 297
Line Number: 32
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Carl H Beck 44
Martha A Beck 32
Ellen C Beck 19
Donald C Beck 03

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 21:40:17
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Also at the Trove site you can look at photos, etc and other archival items. Here is link to picture of Konoowarra:
http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/53456

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 30/10/2016 23:11:56
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Love the image of the SS Konoowarra (lithograph by J Sands, 1883)!

Another image, a watercolor, and description of the ship here

A newspaper announcement here, that the Konoowarra has departed, sailing for Melbourne, published 24 September 1885, in the Maryborough, Wide Bay, and Burnett Advertiser. link

John Olsen's naturalization record stated he arrived in Australia on this ship in 1885.

Handbook of W Howard Smith and Sons Intercolonial Steamers
on this link

A little more description of the ship here, in an accident report.

We've posted very little about Andrew Olsen in Australia; hope you are able to fill in more blanks about him.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 30/10/2016 23:48:18
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From the descriptions I've seen and looking at their tight departures and arrivals within a year at the newspaper site, it doesn't seem to be a transoceanic ship, as in coming from Europe to Australia and forth and back.

Reply author: kayryan
Replied on: 31/10/2016 01:11:26
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Thanks Jane for info on sending photos by tinypics.
Sorry photos are huge of Ole(L) & Andrew(R). Must resize next time.
And yes lyndal40 I'm a paid member of ancestry.com My tree is a public tree called
KAY MARTIN/RYAN TREE
The name of Rose Olsen I have on my tree is with no middle names. I'm not sure if the Rose HL Olsen is the same Rose that's Oles daughter. I did have her on my tree originally but think I found some of her details weren't correct with family members.
I never really had any information on what happened to Andrew once he arrived in Australia, re marriage or family. You have all filled in some of his history here for me though.

Another portrait of my Great Grandfather Ole (John) Olsen taken in Liverpool, NSW, Australia in June 1890, the same year he married Emily Wilcox.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 31/10/2016 01:24:17
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The Ancestry records for the Konoowarra for 1880 to 1890 for a Olsen have the Konoowarra traveling from Melbourne to Sydney.

This is the earliest record for a J or something resembling John Olsen and from Norway and a seaman Listed O.S. i.e. ordinary seaman. There are some other John Olsen named as passengers during this time frame but they are not identified by Nationality. Also none from 1885. And none named Ole.

J Olsen
in the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: J Olsen
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Age: 21
Port of Departure: Melbourne
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 13 Feb 1882
Vessel Name: Konoowarra
Origin Location: Norwegian

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 31/10/2016 18:17:48
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Wikipedia has some interesting things about the Salvation Army ranks. It looks like John would have to have been in at least 5 years to be promoted to Captain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officer_(The_Salvation_Army)

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 31/10/2016 19:31:55
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From the descriptions I've seen and looking at their tight departures and arrivals within a year at the newspaper site, it doesn't seem to be a transoceanic ship, as in coming from Europe to Australia and forth and back.

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 31/10/2016 23:23:35
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Originally posted by jkmarler

From the descriptions I've seen and looking at their tight departures and arrivals within a year at the newspaper site, it doesn't seem to be a transoceanic ship, as in coming from Europe to Australia and forth and back.

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I agree. The KONOOWARRA seems to have travelled between Melbourne and Sydney only.
In 1885, there were many cargoships who left Norway headed for Melbourne.

A possibility for Andrew Olsen (30), arriving on the IRVIN on 30 Sep 1885, from Antwerp to Sydney.
It doesn't fit with the Konoowarra though, and he should be 28...

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Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 01/11/2016 13:26:48
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When John Olsen stated, in his naturalization papers, that he arrived in New South Wales on the Konoowarra, maybe he meant that was the last ship he worked on before settling down (leaving ship work?). Or maybe he took a transatlantic ship (as a passenger or crewman) to Melbourne and transferred to the Konoowarra to travel to Sydney?

He might be listed as Ole Olsen in any crew or passenger list coming to Australia.

Andrew stated, on his naturalization papers, that he arrived on the Austral in 1885, and Anton posted a good candidate for that trip.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 01/11/2016 15:59:51
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The closest is this Ole Olson born 1860 listed as an A.B. i.e. able bodied seaman. Birth year is a little off.

Ole Olson
in the New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Ole Olson
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Age: 25
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 22 May 1885
Vessel Name: Cheriot
Origin Location: Norway

If you expand the arrival date to 1883 plus/minus 2, you only add one more Ole.

Name: Ole Olsen
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Age: 22
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 18 Jan 1882
Vessel Name: Lovspring
Origin Location: Norway

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 01/11/2016 16:10:25
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There are several John Olsen arriving in 1885. And born about 1860. They may or may not be the same person. Arriving in Sydney

Arrival Ship Origin Location

2 Jun 1885 Macdiarmid Borgin

17 Nov 1885 Menmuir Norway

Hard to pick a John or an Ole as the correct person. And if you expand the date beyond 1885 the number of Johns becomes larger.

Using 1883 plus/minus 2 runs the number of John Olsen up to eight.

Reply author: kayryan
Replied on: 01/11/2016 23:41:13
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It still seems a mystery how Ole/John & Andrew arrived in Australia. My mother Mavis Joan Olsen(Oles Granddaughter) told me the twins came together and landed first in Adelaide. This may be the explanation of the arrival in 2 different ships by the twins to New South Wales. Of course this also could be inaccurate, as this is where they were meant to have "jumped ship".
I've ordered a marriage Certificate from NSW Births Deaths & Marriages which may confirm birth dates and parents for Ole and Andrew.
Interesting read on Wikipedia jkmarler on becoming Captain in the Salvation Army.
I may have to dig further to work out where Andrew ended up. I'm adding lots to my Family Tree thanks to your great work. I thought Ole would forever be a mystery.

Reply author: Janeandroulakis
Replied on: 03/11/2016 04:34:30
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Hello, I am JANE, Kay Ryan's sister in Australia. I would also like to thank all those that contributed to our search about our great grandfather John (ole) Olse and extended family. What a marvellous effort and so fast. Thanks again. Jane.

Reply author: kayryan
Replied on: 05/11/2016 00:58:13
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I've just located a Naturalization document on interactive.ancestry.com which sounds like it may be my Great Grandfather Ole (known in Australia as John) Olsen:
John Olsen
Native of Christianson(this possibly meant to be Christiano) Norway
29 Yrs old.
Mariner
Arrived New South Wales by ship Peterborough in 1879
Resided in Colony seven years
Dated 18/8/1886.

This would work out correctly to his assumed birth year of 1857.

Also ordered a marriage certificate for Ole & Emily from NSW Births Deaths & Marriages. This however didn't give me his birth date or parents names as I hoped it would, to confirm those details.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 05/11/2016 01:09:44
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At the Trove the Peterborough is described as an emigrant / immigrant ship. It arrived at Sydney from Plymouth on 4 May 1879. A telegraphic dispatch dated 22 April 1879 says Peterborough left London with 618 immigrants, published 3 May 1879.

The arrival of the Peterborough was reported arrived on 4 May 1879 in the Sydney paper Mail 1680 ton, Captain Gardener, 512 immigrants. 22 Feb from Plymouth. J Frazer and Co, agents.

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 05/11/2016 04:12:09
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Originally posted by JaneC]
Naturalization record below. (Source: State Records Authority of New South Wales; Kingswood, New South Wales, Australia; Series: Registers of Certificates of Naturalization, 1849-1859 and 1876-1903; Series Number: NRS 1040; Roll: 139)

Naturalized: 10 Feb 1902
John Olsen of Grafton
a native of Christiania, Norway [=Oslo]
age 44 years
who is a laborer
and arrived in the state of New South Wales
by the ship Koonoowarra in the year 1885
who has resided in said state for 16 years
swears allegiance etc


Naturalized: 24 Feb 1902
Andrew Olsen of East Orange
a native of Christiania, Norway [=Oslo]
age 44 years
who is a dealer(? I'm not sure what the handwriting says)
and arrived in the state of New South Wales
by the ship Austral in the year 1885
who has resided in said state for 16 years
swears allegiance etc
....

1913 Australia Electoral Rolls
East Orange (sub-district), New South Wales, Orange (district), Australia
Name: Andrew Olsen
Residence Address: Edward Street, East Orange
Occupation: dealer
Evelyn Olsen at the same address, occupation: domestic duties

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Sydney, Australia, Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions
Name: Evelyn Olsen
Age: 90
Birth Date: 12 May 1872
Death Date: 14 Feb 1963
Burial Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Cemetery: Macquarie Park
Section: A Row: 2
Inscription: wife of Andrew. b. 12 May 1872
Denomination: Baptist

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Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 05/11/2016 04:52:24
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Also ordered a marriage certificate for Ole & Emily from NSW Births Deaths & Marriages. This however didn't give me his birth date or parents names as I hoped it would, to confirm those details.

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Reply author: kayryan
Replied on: 05/11/2016 15:14:46
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Jane the source of the information on my Great Grandfathers name was indeed from family. As my mother (Mavis Olsen) was born in 1919 & my Aunt( Lorraine Olsen) in 1915(his Granddaughters) I'm guessing they both knew him, as both were adults when he died. They also lived in New South Wales. (Which I don't. I live in Victoria which is far from NSW.) This is the only evidence of his name originally being Ole.
The name on the copy of the marriage Certificate is John Olsen, which I agree doesn't prove that he was born Ole.
I've contacted a Government Department in New South Wales, to ask if there is information on a name change for John Olsen through Deed Poll. I'll be interested in a possible reply. As to my find of an alternative ship and date of his arrival. The Naturalization document is a copy for a John Olsen, with all but the mention of "from Grafton" on it. The age he was at the time of arrival and his Naturalization made sense to me when I found it. It seemed to agree with your find of him being born in 1857 rather than a bit later. I can see that I may be wrong on this one. On one hand the birth dates say 1857, but the death dates say he was born 1858. Confusing! Thanks for all your information. Much appreciated.

Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 05/11/2016 15:44:16
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Hi again, thanks for sharing the source of the name Ole. Those family members are excellent sources. The story of John being born "Ole" checked out through the research. The name change doesn't need further verification in my opinion. You've already proved it.

I don't think the 1886 naturalization record is correct. I think the one first posted is correct, naturalized in 1902.

Reply author: kayryan
Replied on: 06/11/2016 07:09:01
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Hi again Jane. Yes let's go with the Grafton 1902 Naturalization record, as it does make sense. It was a pity I didn't begin my search a few years ago. My Mum died at 73, but my Aunt Lorraine lived to the grand age of 96, & died in 2012. Both were very smart ladies, with great memories. I do wonder of the origins of the myth that John & Andrew " jumped ship". It's a romantic idea and made for a good story to tell us. I'll still be interested to see if I get any reply to my email about the name change. I'll keep you posted on that one if it happens.

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