Joe A Boyd

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Topic author: rkolson
Subject: Joe A Boyd
Posted on: 16/02/2018 23:21:52
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My 2nd gr grandmother was Sarah(Siri) Thorson, b Feb 10, 1842 in Fjelberg, Rogaland. She died Feb 18, 1933 in Illinois(?). They had a daughter named Thine(Tena) Boyd (Oct 10,1868-July 15,1963) born in Etna(?). I'm trying to find any information regarding their immigration and her husband Joe Boyd(1838-1902), probably English or Irish. Thanks

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Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 17/02/2018 01:32:17
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The US federal census entries for Sarah Boyd in Illinois give you information about WHEN Sarah immigrated to the US, when she married and where Joe Boyd was from. You can search in the US census enumerations for free at FamilySearch.org

Those censuses will also give you the name of her father.

Fjelberg was in Hordaland, Norway in the 1840s. I do not see any birth/baptism record for a Siri Olsdatter or Thorsdatter 1841-1843 in Fjelberg.

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I think your 'Thorson' family actually came from Skånevik, Hordaland. A district found to the east of Fjelberg.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070516620383

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 18/02/2018 00:53:08
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The 1900 US Census would indicate they came to the US very early and the father Ole Torson brought Sarah with him.

Sarah Boyd
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Sarah Boyd
Age: 57
Birth Date: Feb 1843
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois
Sheet Number: 9
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 146
Family Number: 147
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1848
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Joseph A Boyd
Marriage Year: 1871
Years Married: 29
Father's name: Ole Thorson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Mother: number of living children: 0
Mother: How many children: 0
Years in US: 52
Naturalization: Un
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph A Boyd 55
Sarah Boyd 57
Ole Thorson 88
Haskey Boyd 28
Ida Nelson 26
Thor Fritz 14

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 18/02/2018 02:03:30
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The 1900 Census states an immigration year of 1848 but Ole Thorsen and wife Kari Johannesdatter and four children left Skånevik, parish in 1847. See numbers 69 to 74.

#69-74

Children are Brithia, Johannes, Siri and Thor. Here is a Ancestry record for Thor

Name: Thor Olsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 7 sep 1844
Baptism Date: 8 sep 1844
Baptism Place: , Skaanevik, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Ole Thorsen
Mother: Kari Johannesdr
FHL Film Number: 124694

#53

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 18/02/2018 02:19:37
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Robert - If you check the US censuses and the FindAGrave information for the persons named Boyd in the county of Illinois where you find your 'Thorson' family - you will learn that there were Norwegian born Boyds and that included "Joe Boyd". FindAGrave information for other early year born Norwegian Boyds there reveal a strong connection to Skånevik, Hordaland.
So you research for these two families is much reduced in scope to one clerical district of Hordaland, Norway. Good luck!

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/02/2018 14:14:38
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I think you have the wrong marriage Anton.

This must be them:
Bachelor Ole Thorsen Fatland (Vagrant) (24 ¼) and Kari Johannesdatter Dybvig (21 ½)
Marriage 17 July 1836
His father: Thor Nielsen Fatland
Her father: Johanes Johannesen Dybvig

Sarahs death record confirm that her mother was Carry Dudwyg, ie. Kari Johannesdatter Dybvig.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 18/02/2018 17:43:31
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I think you have the wrong marriage Anton

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Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 18/02/2018 18:25:21
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It appears that your Joseph Boyd visited his homeland of Norway in 1900. His birth place is listed as Skånevik. Matches with Hansen's conclusion above.

Link

His return home, does not give any information on who he visited in Norway

Joseph Boyd
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Joseph Boyd
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1900
Birth Date: abt 1839
Age: 61
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: New York

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/02/2018 18:31:15
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The Boyd name origins from the Bauge farm in Holmedal, Skånevik, Hordaland, Norway.

For instance this civil war veteran; John B. Boyd. He was born in Bergen stift, Norway, on March 9, 184i7. Two years after his birth the family emigrated to America and settled in Kendall County some short distance from Chicago. Here the family went into farming. John was raised on the goodsoil of Illinois. At the age of sixteen and of the wishes of his parents, John with several others enlisted in the military service during the Civil War. He enlisted on January 2, 1864, and was assigned to Co. G., 64th Illinois Infantry. He was mustered out on July 11, 1S65

John B. Boyd can be found on the brig Harmoni as "Johannes Bjørnsen (2)", departing Stavanger on May 13th, 1849:
Bjørn Jonassen Johanessen 37 m Steerage
Ingeborg Pedersdatter 26 f Steerage
Johannes Bjørnsen 2 m Steerage
Peder Bjørnsen* 3 mo m Steerage
Guri Bjørnsdatter* 4 f Steerage

#24 Johannes Bjørnesen Tegland
Born 09 Mar 1847, Skånevik, Hordaland
Parents: Bjørne Johanessen & Ingeborg Pedersdatter Tegland

Joe A Boyd might not be related to John B. Boyd, but their origin must be Berge farm in Skånevik. Find-a-grave says Joseph was born 30 JUL 1838, while census-1900 says MAR 1845....

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/02/2018 18:47:45
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A wild shot. Birthdate does not fit.
#54 Jens Andersen Røen
Born 05 JUN 1838, Skånevik, Hordaland
Parents: Anders Endresen & Sidsele Jensdatter, Røen.

Update: Jens moved to Bergen and settled a family there as a fisherman.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 19/02/2018 00:56:17
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This looks like the Joseph A Boyd family in the 1880 with some children born in Norway?

1880

The members of the household other thant John and Sarah are called boarders.

Census data would indicate that two children were born in Norway, A Dina in this census and a Mikael in a different record. These two use the name Nelson in most records.

Dina Nelson also uses the name Christine Boyd in a marriage record

The OP seems to refer to Dina as this person :"They had a daughter named Thine(Tena) Boyd (Oct 10,1868-July 15,1963) born in Etna(?)." But it seems unlikely that this would be a child of Joseph and Sarah.

Also there is a Sivert Boyd in this census.

And a Lars J Boyd

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 19/02/2018 01:41:24
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A Tree on Ancestry indicates that Sivert is Syvert Johan Olsen Ytre Bauge born Feb 19, 1850.

Syvert Johan Olsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Syvert Johan Olsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 feb 1859
Baptism Date: 27 feb 1859
Baptism Place: Skaanevik, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Ole Larssen
Mother: Gunnele Abrahamsdr

#20

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 19/02/2018 02:43:02
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The Mikael Nelson mentioned above is somehow connected with the Boyd couple. Here is some information on him. He seems to be a twin and his brother also came to America.

Numbers 77 and 78 are the twins. Mikael and Elias Nielsen.

#77 &78

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 19/02/2018 03:13:23
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Maybe Joseph Boyd in the 1870 Census. seems to be living with or at least next to Thor Thorsen and wife Caroline.

Joseph Boyd
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Joseph Boyd
Age in 1870: 35
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 189
Home in 1870: Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Male Citizen Over 21: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Boyd 35

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 19/02/2018 20:04:03
Message:

I found your Joe A Boyd!

John Askautson Yttre Bauge
Born 30 Jul 1838
Parents: Askaut Johnson Bauge & Gunla Abrahamsdr, Yttre Bauge

Emigration in 1857: #68 John Askautson Yttre Bauge (18 ¼)
His brother Abraham Askautson Bauge, born 19 Jan 1842, emigrated to America in 1861.

Above it was found that Joseph Boyd visited his homeland of Norway in 1900. I'm sure he (among others) met with his sister Mari Askutsdatter at the Tveit farm.

Syvert Johan Olsen Ytre Bauge above is a half-brother (same mother). Askaut died in 1847, and Gunla/Gunnele remarried with Ole Larsen Alsåker,

Ref the houseold of Joseph A Boyd in Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois:
Sivert O Boyd (15) >> Syvert Johan Olsen Ytre Bauge. Half-brother of Joseph A Boyd
Lars J Boyd (45) >> Likely Joseph's uncle Lars Johnson Bauge born 1829, to America 1858. Lars was a brother to Askaut Johnson Bauge.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 19/02/2018 22:11:24
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Good work on solving the John A Boyd mystery Jan Peter. Now I wonder about the two children Tina Nelson Boyd and Hocke Nelson Boyd. I suspect that both of them have different parents and were adopted by John and Sarah. Here is the 1900 Census for the family.

1900

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 19/02/2018 23:11:43
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These children have been associated in one form or another with the family of John A Boyd and Sarah Boyd.

Mikel Elias Nelson b 1868 Fjelberg, Hordaland and twin
Abel Mike Nelson b 1868 Fjelbeg, Hordaland, found in Illinois and found in Minnesota. Parents for both are Niels Mikklesen Fjelberg and Agathe Abelsdatter
Dina or Trina Nelson b 1870 in Norway (also listed Illinois) married
Haskey (Hocke) Nelson b 1871 in Illinois married Nettie Fritz probably sister of Thor Fritz both children of Lars J Fritz (Lars called Lars J Boyd in 1880 Census and Thor Fritz found in 1900 Census)
Ida Nelson b 1874 in Illinois found with the Boyds in 1900 Census.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 20/02/2018 01:41:17
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Most of the connections are probably through the wife Sarah Boyd. the 1920 Census shows tow of her nephews Henry and Allie? Thorsen living with her. Could be sons of Thor Olsen her brother who was part of the group to come from Norway in 1848 or based on the 1910 Census the sons of a brother born in America a Albert Thorsen.

Sarah Boyd
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Sarah Boyd
Age: 77
Birth Year: abt 1843
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois
Street: Main Street
House Number: X
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1848
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: Norwegian
Able to Speak English: Yes
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: Free
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Boyd 77
Henry Thorsen 45
Allie Thorsen 31

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 20/02/2018 02:13:50
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The 1910 Census shows Sarah Boyd living with a large Thorson family including her brother Albert born in 1852 in Illinois.

Sarah Boyd
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Sarah Boyd
Age in 1910: 68
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1897
[1847]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: Norwegian
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: Free
Farm or House: House
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Boyd 68
Albert Thorson 58
Henry O Thorson 37
Cora Thorson 23
Lula Thorson 18
Myrtle Thorson 16
Hazel Thorson 11
Mikel Nelson 42

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 20/02/2018 03:29:58
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The find of a brother to John Boyd by Jan Peter opens up another search line. Here is likely brother Abraham Bauge.

Abraham Baùge
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1826-1945
Name: Abraham Baùge
Gender: Male
Spouse: Lottie Baùge
Child: Ana Gertrùd Baùge
Church Name: Lisbon Lutheran Parish
Church Location: Lisbon, Illinois

And he ended up using the Boyd name as well.

Abraham A. Boyd
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Abraham A. Boyd
Age: 38
Birth Date: Abt 1842
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Big Grove, Kendall, Illinois, USA
Street: Part of the village of Lisbon
Dwelling Number: 162
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Lettie Boyd
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Nor
Occupation: Farmer
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Abraham A. Boyd 38
Lettie Boyd 33
Olaf O. Boyd 7
Anna G. Boyd 5
Thor Adn Boyd 4
Ella Katie Boyd 1

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 20/02/2018 20:07:58
Message:

so the great Joe A Boyd mystery is solved! Still seems to be some confusion regarding their daughter Tena (Thine?) Boyd. Her death notice in the Herscher paper said she was born in Etna, Norway on Oct 10, 1868 and came to Illinois at age 1yr with her parents Joe and Sarah(Thorson) Boyd. She had 7 children: Louise, Mabel, Iborra, Myrtle, Thorval, Joe, and my grandmother Anna. Could the Etna reference actually be referring to Etne which would fit with the Baúge Skånevik? Does Yttre translate to "outer"? Are Sarah and Siri interchangeable names? Why did Ole Thorsen Flatland have "vagrant" after his name? Thanks again for all your wonderful help. Robert

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 20/02/2018 20:45:42
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The search for Tena (Thine?) Boyd is still ongoing. Etna could very well be Etne, next to Skånevik, but no good candidate have been found yet.
Yttre translate to "outer". It is used to separate the two Bauge farms. The other is named Indre Bauge, "inner". Outer, as in nearest to the sea.
Sarah would be the americanized/anglified version of Siri.
The priest added the word "løsgjenger" (vagrant in english)to Ole Thorsen Flatland's name in the marriage record.
It probably means he was a vagabond without a permanent residence, travelling around in the districts, looking for work. Often to the hassle of the locals.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 20/02/2018 22:04:37
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Originally posted by lyndal40

These children have been associated in one form or another with the family of John A Boyd and Sarah Boyd.

Mikel Elias Nelson b 1868 Fjelberg, Hordaland and twin
Abel Mike Nelson b 1868 Fjelbeg, Hordaland, found in Illinois and found in Minnesota. Parents for both are Niels Mikklesen Fjelberg and Agathe Abelsdatter
Dina or Trina Nelson b 1870 in Norway (also listed Illinois) married
Haskey (Hocke) Nelson b 1871 in Illinois married Nettie Fritz probably sister of Thor Fritz both children of Lars J Fritz (Lars called Lars J Boyd in 1880 Census and Thor Fritz found in 1900 Census)
Ida Nelson b 1874 in Illinois found with the Boyds in 1900 Census.

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Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 20/02/2018 22:18:46
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Just a bit more info: Joe was in the army from Sept 1862 till July, 1865. Joe owned 157 acres of prime land. Abutting his land were 4 Thorson plots totaling 315 acres and also a NELSON property. A J. Clinton tree(don't know where i got it) shows a Dina Nelson as a daughter of Joe A Boyd and Sarah Thorson. Hope this doesn't clutter your efforts.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 20/02/2018 22:37:55
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A summary of the various US Census records might help at this time.

In 1870 Joseph Boyd was living with or next to Thor Thorson and his wife Caroline Thorson. Sarah (Siri) age 4 and her parents and siblings left Norway in 1848 so it is difficult to believe that Trine? is their child if she was born in Norway.

1870

In the 1880 census Joseph Boyd and Sarah are married. Living with them are a whole host of characters.
Sivert O Boyd
Lars J Boyd
Hocke Nelson
Dina Nelson

1880

In the 1900 Census Joseph A Boyd and Sarah have living with them
Ole Thorsen, probably the father of Sarah
Haskey Boyd probably Hoske Nelson fro 1880
Ida Nelson maybe the sister of Dina and Hoske
Thor Fritz probably the son of Lars J Fritz (Boyd) in 1880

1900

By the 1910 Census Joseph A Boyd is deceased and Sarah is living with her American born brother Albert and his large family. At the bottom of the list is Mikel Nelson
Miklel Nelson is one of the twins. Mikael and Elias Nielsen born in 1868 to Niels Mikkelsen and Agathe Abelsdatter

1910

In 1920 Sarah has her two nephews (one the son of brother Albert) named Henry and the other Allie unknown living with her

1920

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 20/02/2018 22:52:03
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Interesting observation:
Sarah (Siri) Thorson and her future brother-in-law Abraham Askautson Boyd was christened in the same church, only two weeks between:



(Also shown on first page:) Ola Torsson Fatland Hillesdal (1812-) and Kari Johannesdatter Djuvik (1815-) emigrated to America in april 1847 with their 4 children:
Brita 1836
Johannes 1839
Siri 1842 Sarah Boyd
Tor 1844

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 20/02/2018 23:15:08
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Now not everyone on the list of characters needs to be related to either Joseph or Sarah, they could be children of friends. I can se no easy connection to Syvert O Boyd from 1880. He is likely

Syvert Johan Olsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Syvert Johan Olsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 feb 1859
Baptism Date: 27 feb 1859
Baptism Place: Skaanevik, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Ole Larssen
Mother: Gunnele Abrahamsdr

#20

The same holds for the twins. Mikael Elias Nelson b 1868 Fjelberg, Hordaland and twin
Abel Mikael Nelson b 1868 Fjelbeg, Hordaland, found in Illinois and found in Minnesota. Parents for both are Niels Mikklesen Fjelberg and Agathe Abelsdatter

Numbers 77 and 78 are the twins. Abel Mikael and Mikael Elias Nielsen.

#77 &78

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 20/02/2018 23:28:37
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However I think that there is a stronger connection for Hokse Nelson, Dina Nelson and Ida Nelson.

Dina Nelson could very well be the same as the daughter Tena (Thine?) Boyd.

In the 1880 Census both Hokse Nelson and Dina Nelson are listed as boarders. Dina as born in Norway and Hokse born in Illinois.

In the 1900 Census Dina is gone and Hokse is listed as adopted and Ida is listed as Servant. Both are born in Illinois

Thine (Tina or Dina or whatever} was married in 1887.

Thine Boyd
in the Illinois, County Marriage Records, 1800-1940
Name: Thine Boyd
Gender: Female
Age: 17
Birth Date: abt 1870
Marriage Date: 1887
Marriage Place: Kankakee, Illinois, USA
Father: Joseph Boyd
Mother: Siri Thorsen
Spouse: Heldor Thorbjomsen Tofte
Film Number: 001839993

Heldor's parents are listed as from Tøfte Ovre, Fjelberg, Hordaland
This family in 1865

1865

Name: Heldor Thorbjomsen Tofte
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1864
Marriage Date: 1887
Marriage Place: Kankakee, Illinois, USA
Father: Thorbjorn T Tofte
Mother: Anna T Vik
Spouse: Thine Boyd
Film Number: 001839993

All three children are referred to as Nelson Boyd in various trees and are all listed as children of Joseph and Sarah Boyd.

Dina or Trina is listed as being born in Norway in 1880 and 1900 Census (Oct 1869 in 1900 Census). In the 1910 birth place is listed as Illinois, 1920 back to Norway, and back to Illinois in 1930.

Hocke Nelson Boyd is listed in a tree as born July 15, 1871 Newark, Kendall, Illinois.

Ida Nelson Boyd is listed in a tree as born March 15, 1874 in Herscher, Illinois. Herscher is a village in Kankakee County.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 20/02/2018 23:28:49
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I have refered to Syvert O. Boyd previously. He is the half-brother of Joseph and Abraham A. Boyd. They share the same mother; Gunli Abrahamsdatter.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 20/02/2018 23:33:37
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Ah yes too much information to keep straight, thanks

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 21/02/2018 02:25:10
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Marriages found in Lisbon, Kendall county lutheran church:
Joh A Boyd to Sara Thorson 31 Jan 1871
Abraham A Boyd to Lettie Annison 4 Apr 1871
Axel Boyd to Aagothe Wik 29 Oct 1871
widower Abraham Boyd age 46 born Skanevig, Norway to spinster Carrie Thompson age 36 b Fanas Prestegjeld m 14 Sept 1888

From Illinois State Secretary of State digital archives
Pre 1916 deaths:
BOYD, JOSEPH A 1902-10-09 PILOT TWP 64 YR M 2 170 KANKAKEE

Deaths 1916-1950
BOYD HOCKEY M/W Y-78 0033001 1949-08-28 KANKAKEE 49-08-28

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 21/02/2018 17:24:04
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If Ole Thorsen and family came to America in 1848, we should be able to find them in the census records for 1850, 1860, and 1870. It has been a struggle to find early records for the famillyl. Here s a likely record for son Thor born in 1844. Record indicate he spent most of his life in Kendall County, Illinois.

Thor O. Thorsen
in the Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name: Thor O. Thorsen
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1844
Birth Place: Skoniria, Norway
Death Date: 12 Nov 1934
Death Place: Elliott, Ford, Illinois
Burial Date: 14 Nov 1934
Burial Place: Elliott, Ford, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Elliott
Death Age: 90
Occupation: Carpenter
Race: White
Marital Status: W
Gender: Male
Residence: Ill
Father Name: Ole Thorsen
Father Birth Place: Norway
Mother Name: Carrie Inger
Mother Birth Place: Skoniria, Norway
Spouse Name: Martha Thorsen
FHL Film Number: 1712220

He married Martha Petersen in 1870 also in Kendall County, Illinois

Thor O Thorson
in the Illinois, Marriage Index, 1860-1920
Name: Thor O Thorson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 10 Feb 1870
Marriage Place: Kendall, Illinois, USA
Spouse Name: Martha S Peterson
Spouse Gender: Female

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 21/02/2018 17:42:50
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Anton, I'm struggeling to see the connection you've found between these people and the Boyd's. Could you elaborate?
Niels Mikkelsen Fjelberg and Agathe Abelsdatter is interesting. They have a daughter Guro Nilsdatter, born 09 Oct 1870, christened at home 10 Oct 1870.

Could she be Thine (Tena) Boyd, born 10 Oct 10 1868, and the same as Dina or Trina Nelson b 1870?

I'm starting to believe Thine Boyd could be adopted. She seems to be born in Norway, with a father named Nils (Ref "Dina Nilson"). Both John A Boyd and Sarah Boyd were in America in the 1860''s, and it's unlikely the travelled to Norway in that period.

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 21/02/2018 19:10:27
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Census-1850 shows them in Saratoga:
Oli Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1812 Norway Ola Torsson Fatland Hillesdal
Julia Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1814 Norway Kari Johannesdatter Djuvik
John Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1839 Norway Johannes
Sarah Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1841 Norway Siri
John Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1843 Norway Tor

Brita b. 1836 is missing.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 21/02/2018 20:25:17
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Some census-info about the mysterious Hockey Boyd

Census-1940 for Herscher, Kankakee, Illinois
Houcheg Boyd, 67 widower
Eliene Ray, 31 daughter
Arnold Ray, 33 son-in-law
Beverly Ray, 5 granddaughter

Census-1930 for Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois
Hockie Boyd, abt 1876. Widower. Parents born in Norway.
Joe Boyd, abt 1904 Son
Eleen Boyd, abt 1909 Daughter
Marcella Boyd, abt 1914 Daughter

Census-1920 for Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois
Hou*y Boyd, abt 1873
Netie Boyd, abt 1883 wife
Sadie Boyd, abt 1903 daughter
Joseph Boyd, abt 1905 son
Bessie Boyd, abt 1906 daughter
Eileen Boyd, abt 1910 daughter
Hattie Boyd, abt 1913 daughter

Census-1910 for Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois
Hochey Boyd, abt 1872
Nettie E Boyd, abt 1882
Sadie M Boyd, abt 1902
Joseph A Boyd, abt 1904
Bessie L Boyd, abt 1905
Nina I Boyd, abt 1909

Nettie Boyd
Birth: 9 November 1882 / 1883 Kendle County, Illinois
Death: 7 February 1928 Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois
Burial: 11 February 1928
Residence: 7 February 1928 Herscher, Ill.
Father: Lars Fritz
Mother: Mary Hill
Spouse: Hockey Boyd

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 21/02/2018 21:27:18
Message:

Maybe Ole Thorsen and wife in 1880 Census

Olie Torson
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Olie Torson
Age: 68
Birth Date: Abt 1812
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Lisbon, Kendall, Illinois, USA
Dwelling Number: 126
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Julia Torson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation: Farmer
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Olie Torson 68
Julia Torson 68
Emma Torson 12
Goodman Peterson 28
Carrie Peterson 26
Sarah Peterson 2
Sever Peterson 10/12

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 21/02/2018 21:37:26
Message:

This is weird..
A couple named Niels Mikkelsen & Aagaathe Abelsdatter, Sæbø, christened a son on Oct 30th, 1870, in Fjelberg parish. Fjelberg is in Etne.(!).
Simon Abraham is born 09 Oct 1870, the same day as the Guro Nilsdatter in question above.
Could they be twins? Weird that they would be christened in different churches. But on second look, the mother to Guro is written Margrethe Abelsdatter. Maybe Guro is a wrong lead...

Simon Abraham married in Roland, Story, Iowa in 1898.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 21/02/2018 21:49:45
Message:

Perhaps some to look into marriage records from Kendall and other counties Illinois:
BOYD, KNUD P THORSON, BETSEY 1870-04-18 A 134 1732 KENDALL

JOHNSON, PETER THORSON, BETSEY 1854-10-17 00000297
GRUNDY

KNUDSON, RASMUS THORSON, BETSEY 1859-09-29 C802
LA SALLE

TORRISON, NELS THORSON, BETSEY 1861-02-20 A 1 0096
KENDALL

FITCH, OSMEN THORSON, BETSEY O 1871-10-31 A 141 1866
KENDALL

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 21/02/2018 22:17:56
Message:

I think you are right to doubt your Guro. In the 1875 Norwegian Census there is
Nils Mikkelsen
Agothe Abelsdatter
Malene Hellene Nilsdatter
Helga Serine Nilsdatter
Abel Mikel Nilsen
Mikael Elias Nilsen
Simon Abraham Nilsen

No Guro

1875

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 21/02/2018 22:36:40
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by lyndal40

I think you are right to doubt your Guro. In the 1875 Norwegian Census there is
Nils Mikkelsen
Agothe Abelsdatter
Malene Hellene Nilsdatter
Helga Serine Nilsdatter
Abel Mikel Nilsen
Mikael Elias Nilsen
Simon Abraham Nilsen

No Guro

1875

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 21/02/2018 22:58:40
Message:

A possible link:
There is one Abel Pettersen/Pedersen on Yttre Bauge, census-1865/1875.Could he be the father of Ågiot. Maybe the children was adopted by the Yttre Bauge families when Ågot died?

Agathe Abelsdatter
Born 05 Apr 1828
Parents: Abel Pedersen & Helga Nielsdatter

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 21/02/2018 23:31:16
Message:

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Census-1850 shows them in Saratoga:
Oli Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1812 Norway Ola Torsson Fatland Hillesdal
Julia Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1814 Norway Kari Johannesdatter Djuvik
John Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1839 Norway Johannes
Sarah Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1841 Norway Siri
John Tarson, Saratoga , Grundy, Illinois abt 1843 Norway Tor

Brita b. 1836 is missing.

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Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 21/02/2018 23:31:53
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A couple named Niels Mikkelsen & Aagaathe Abelsdatter, Sæbø, christened a son on Oct 30th, 1870, in Fjelberg parish. Fjelberg is in Etne.(!).

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Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 21/02/2018 23:48:42
Message:

Marriage of Aagot and Nils

Agaat Abelsdr
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Agaat Abelsdr
[Agaat Pedersen]
Gender: Female
Age: 37
Birth Date: 1828
Marriage Date: 8 jul 1865
Marriage Place: , Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Abel Pedersen
Spouse: Nils Mikkelsen
FHL Film Number: 124511

#6

No children in 1865 Census

1865

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 22/02/2018 00:05:31
Message:

Likely Siri Thorsen in the 1860 US Census, birth year is a bit off

Sarah Thorson
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Sarah Thorson
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1842
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1860: Saratoga, Grundy, Illinois
Post Office: Morris
Dwelling Number: 1721
Family Number: 1675
Occupation: Help
Household Members:
Name Age
George Barstow 37
Genevene Barstow 29
James Barstow 3/12
Heinan Barstow 30
Ola Thompson 24
Sarah Thorson 18

And in 1870 Census

Sarah Torson
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Sarah Torson
Age in 1870: 25
Birth Year: abt 1845
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 163
Home in 1870: Saratoga, Grundy, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Torson 25

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 22/02/2018 00:47:23
Message:

Here is Ole Thorson in 1870 Census

Ole Forson
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Ole Forson
Age in 1870: 56
Birth Year: abt 1814
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 195
Home in 1870: Lisbon, Kendall, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Male Citizen Over 21: Y
Real Estate Value: 7200
Inferred Spouse: Julia Forson
Inferred Children: Nelson Forson
Albert Forson
Carrie Forson
Elizabeth Forson
Ellen E Forson
Household Members:
Name Age
Ole Forson 56
Julia Forson 55
Nelson Forson 23
Albert Forson 19
Carrie Forson 17
Elizabeth Forson 16
Ellen E Forson 13

There is a Anniee Johnson in this household age 2, born in Illinois, In the Original record but not included in the transcription .

Family Search does a better job of transcribing, Ole Torson

1870

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 22/02/2018 04:02:30
Message:

Dina Nelson (Tina Tofte married name) is listed as being born Oct 1869 and arrived 1869 in the 1900 US Census. That would indicate she came with adults and that she was very young. I have seen enough US Census records for the families of Ole Thorsen to doubt that she lived with them much before the 1880 Census.

Mrs Tina Tofte
in the 1900 United States Federal Census

1900

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 22/02/2018 19:29:25
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by lyndal40

Here is Ole Thorson in 1870 Census

Ole Forson
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Ole Forson
Age in 1870: 56
Birth Year: abt 1814
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 195
Home in 1870: Lisbon, Kendall, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Male Citizen Over 21: Y
Real Estate Value: 7200
Inferred Spouse: Julia Forson
Inferred Children: Nelson Forson
Albert Forson
Carrie Forson
Elizabeth Forson
Ellen E Forson
Household Members:
Name Age
Ole Forson 56
Julia Forson 55
Nelson Forson 23
Albert Forson 19
Carrie Forson 17
Elizabeth Forson 16
Ellen E Forson 13

There is a Anniee Johnson in this household age 2, born in Illinois, In the Original record but not included in the transcription .

Family Search does a better job of transcribing, Ole Torson

1870

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 22/02/2018 21:50:50
Message:

Children to Torbjørn Tollaksson (1827-), m. 1854 Anne Oline Torsteinsdr Vik (1832-), Nedre Tofte, Fjelberg, Hordaland:
Tollak Johan, 07 Dec 1854
Ingeborg, 26 Dec 1856, died as child
Torstein, 13 Apr 1858
Ingeborg, 11 Mar 1860
Haldor, 14 Oct 1861 Heldor Thorbjornsen Tofte, huband to Thine Boyd
Anna Oline, 27 Aug 1863
Torbjørn Olai, 13 Feb 1867
Tjærand, 24 Mar 1869
Herborg Marie, 15 Aug 1871
Marte Kristine, 19 Jul 1873, d. 1873
Marta Tjærandine, 18 Jan 1877

I wonder what the origin for the HoyKy name is? Haakon seems plausible. I also noticed that Hugne is a common name in Fjelberg.

Census-1900 for Pilot Township Herscher vill., Kankakee, Illinois, has Haskey Boyd (29) [born Jul 1871] as Adopted son by Joseph A Boyd & Sarah Boyd.
Census-1880 for Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois, has Hocke Nelson (8) as "other" to Joseph A Boyd & Sarah Boyd.
The marriage record for HoyKy Boyd shows him as born abt 1875 in Ford County, Ill.

Possibly Haakon Nilsen, born July 1872-1875, Ford, Ill.?
Census-1870 does not show any likely parents named Nelson in Ford, Ill.

Ref:
[lyndal40]
Hocke Nelson Boyd is listed in a tree as born July 15, 1871 Newark, Kendall, Illinois.
Ida Nelson Boyd is listed in a tree as born March 15, 1874 in Herscher, Illinois. Herscher is a village in Kankakee County.

3 possibilities for parents in census-1870, Newark:
Nelse Nelson & Anna, Newark, Kendall, Illinois
Manse Nelson & Sarah, Newark, Kendall, Illinois
Iver Nelson & Sarah, Newark, Kendall, Illinois

Also in Kendall:
Toleff Nelson & Osse, city, Kendall, Illinois
Oliver Nelson & Martha, city, Kendall, Illinois
Lewis Nelson & Estenie, city, Kendall, Illinois

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 22/02/2018 23:39:14
Message:

A possibility for Ida Nelson

Name: Ida Nelson
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1873
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1873
Baptism Place: Lisbon, Illinois, USA
Father: Peder C Nelson
Mother: Signy Nelson
Church Name: Lisbon Lutheran Parish
Church Location: Lisbon, Illinois

Lisbon is in Kendall County

A spelling for Houckey, one witness is Ida Boyd

Joseph Arthur Boyd
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1826-1945
Name: Joseph Arthur Boyd
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1904
Baptism Date: 20 Feb 1904
Baptism Place: Herscher, Illinois, USA
Father: Houckey Boyd
Mother: Nettie Boyd
Church Name: Grand Prairie
Church Location:

Herscher is in Kankakee County

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 23/02/2018 00:22:47
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by lyndal40

A possibility for Ida Nelson

Name: Ida Nelson
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1873
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1873
Baptism Place: Lisbon, Illinois, USA
Father: Peder C Nelson
Mother: Signy Nelson
Church Name: Lisbon Lutheran Parish
Church Location: Lisbon, Illinois

Lisbon is in Kendall County

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Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 23/02/2018 03:15:23
Message:

Some of the families named Nelson from post by Jan Peter

Nelse Nelson and Anna from Newark, Kendall
Found in 1880 Census with large number of children. Also has a Tree
Nels Severt Nelson
BIRTH 06 SEP 1840 • Svelland, Skånevik, Hordaland, Norway
DEATH 15 SEP 1923 • Kendall County, Illinois, USA

Manse Nelson & Sarah, Newark, Kendall, Illinois
Probably Mons Nelson married Siri Sjursdatter in 1864 Etne, Hordaland, bap 17 May 1840 father Nils Mikkelsen and mother Bertha Larsdatter in Stole, Hordaland found in 1880 Censu in Grundy, Illinois with large number of children.

Iver Nelson & Sarah, Newark, Kendall, Illinois
Found in 1880 Census with over 10 children, Has a tree
BIRTH 10 JAN 1831 • Bilden, , Hordaland, Norway
DEATH 6 MAY 1921 • Big Grove Township, Kendall, Illinois

Not looking good, what did we learn, They had big families and everyone in the area originates in Hordaland.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 23/02/2018 03:59:33
Message:

The second set also from Kendall

Toleff Nelson & Osse, city, Kendall, Illinois
called himself Thomas T Nelson in 1880 Census with wife and child Sarah in Kendall Wife called Olive in 1880, son on his own somewhere

Oliver Nelson & Martha, city, Kendall, Illinois
Living in Lisbon Kendall in 1880, daughter Anna still there new son Peter born in 1871, Also Julia Petersen mother-in-law age 76 living with them. son Sivert working on near by farm.

Lewis Nelson & Estenie, city, Kendall, Illinois
No children in 1870 not found after

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 23/02/2018 15:21:37
Message:

From norwayheritage passenger database, here is an 8 month old Dina [Nielsdatter] from Hadeland who is leaving in 1868:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1198&ps=90938

She would be from a distance from Vestlandet and assuming she is related to the 2 adults just before her.

I believe she has been identified below, accounted for in 1880 US census.

Jonette Bertine Nilsdatter Hansvig age 1:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1266&ps=55001

Karine Nilsdatter 3/4 year from Etne:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1185&ps=56658

She is #8:
SAB, Etne Sokneprestembete, H/Haa: Ministerialbok nr. A 9, 1862-1878, s. 41
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061221620339
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Another possible long shot #56, birthdate does not match US records
SAB, Etne Sokneprestembete, H/Haa: Ministerialbok nr. A 9, 1862-1878, s. 39
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061221620337

But she has a brother named Haaken # 19:
SAB, Etne Sokneprestembete, H/Hab: Klokkerbok nr. A 3, 1863-1873, s. 25
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070503650660

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 23/02/2018 16:44:51
Message:

Jackie, if we believe Tina(Tena,Thine,Dina) was a)born in Norway b)born in Etna(Etne)area c)born in 1868-1870 d)immig at abt age 1 e) her birth name was Nelson(Nilsdattr) then your search should have found her. Could you find out if there was any Boyd travel during this time frame?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 23/02/2018 20:06:28
Message:

I wonder if this could be Dina Nielsdatter from Hadeland in census-1880 for Highland, Iowa, Wisconsin?
The christening record shows Dina born 28 Apr 1867 at Egge farm in Gran, Oppland.
Gran Hadeland in Oppland is very far from the Skånevik/Fjelberg/Etne area in Hordaland.

I haven't seen any connection as to why they should have changed their lastname to Hilden, but interesting enough, there is a Hilden farm in Gran, Oppland, just south of Egge.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 23/02/2018 22:18:07
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by rkolson

Jackie, if we believe Tina(Tena,Thine,Dina) was a)born in Norway b)born in Etna(Etne)area c)born in 1868-1870 d)immig at abt age 1 e) her birth name was Nelson(Nilsdattr) then your search should have found her. Could you find out if there was any Boyd travel during this time frame?

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 23/02/2018 22:48:53
Message:

Dina Rossing nee: Hilden, from Hadeland, parents Nels Pederson Hilden og Martha Juulsdatter Hilden...

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 24/02/2018 17:25:34
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by jwiborg

I wonder if this could be Dina Nielsdatter from Hadeland in census-1880 for Highland, Iowa, Wisconsin?
The christening record shows Dina born 28 Apr 1867 at Egge farm in Gran, Oppland.
Gran Hadeland in Oppland is very far from the Skånevik/Fjelberg/Etne area in Hordaland.

I haven't seen any connection as to why they should have changed their lastname to Hilden, but interesting enough, there is a Hilden farm in Gran, Oppland, just south of Egge.

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Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 24/02/2018 17:28:26
Message:

I don't think the real Tena/Dina spent any time in Wisconsin, she seemed to be firmly embedded in Illinois

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 24/02/2018 17:45:03
Message:

Ok experts, with this deluge of information can i at least conclude that Tena/Dina was adopted and Joe Boyd and Siri Thorson are NOT my ancestors? Is the Nelson/Nilsen lead with the 5 Nelson children living with Joe and Sarah the best explanation of who Tena was? The Nelson farm was across the street from the Boyd farm.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 24/02/2018 17:46:35
Message:

As shown above, the 8 month old Dina [Nielsdatter] from Hadeland who left Norway in 1868, is the same as Dina Rossing nee: Hilden. So she is not Dina Boyd.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 24/02/2018 17:59:18
Message:

I think it's clear that Dina, her brother(?) Hockey, (and possibly also sister(?) Ida) is adobted into the family. Dina is said to be born in Norway (Etne?), and Joe and Sarah were not in Norway in 1868-1870.
Any adult Nelsons (from Etne, Skånevig or Fjelberg) who died in Illinois in the 1870s? It seems something must have happened to their parents?
Family relations in these settings are strong, so maybe Joe or Sarah are uncle/aunt to the Nelsons? (Dina, Hockey, Ida).

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 24/02/2018 18:08:27
Message:

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Is the Nelson/Nilsen lead with the 5 Nelson children living with Joe and Sarah the best explanation of who Tena was? The Nelson farm was across the street from the Boyd farm.

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Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 24/02/2018 18:29:08
Message:

Your comment above made me take a look for any other people named Nelson living in Pilot, Kankakee in the 1800 Census. I did find a Gunner Nelson living on the same farm as Thore Thorson and wife Caroline. If memory serves me right that Thore is the brother of Siri (Sarah). Could he be an older sibling of Dina, Hocke and Ida?

Gunner Nelson
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Gunner Nelson
Age: 18
Birth Date: Abt 1862
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois, USA
Dwelling Number: 127
Race: White
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Nor.
Occupation: Farm Hand
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Gunner Nelson 18

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 24/02/2018 18:38:08
Message:

i have a copy of the land map for Pilot township in 1883. Joe A Boyd is in section 31. Immediately south of him is E Nelson and A Nelson property in section 6. There are also 4 Thorson properties very close to Joe.

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 24/02/2018 19:15:26
Message:

Thor Thorson is the name on the property near Joe and the Nelsons

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 24/02/2018 20:10:13
Message:

The previous mentioned Abel Mikel Nilsen in census-1910 for Pilot, Kankakee, Illinois. Listed above him is hired man Hochey Halverson.
Here is Haakon Halvorsen Brandvik emigrating to Hersches, Ill in 1908.

No reason to believe Haakon Halvorsen Brandvik is any family, but I think we have the origin for the Hockey name... Haakon!
Hockey Boyd, aka Haakon Nilsen.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 24/02/2018 23:33:52
Message:

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Immediately south of him is E Nelson and A Nelson property in section 6.

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Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 24/02/2018 23:48:06
Message:

The connections between the various people named Boyd and people named Nilsen (Nelson) are numerous. Here is another example. Child named Torger Elias, parents are Knud and Lena Nelson. The witness to the baptism are Syvert and Lina Boyd, G Nilsen, Carrie Nilsen, Abel Torgerson and Stina Larsen.

Torger Elias Nilsen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1826-1945
Name: Torger Elias Nilsen
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 18 Mar 1892
Baptism Date: 12 Jun 1892
Baptism Place: Herscher, Illinois, USA
Father: Kund Nilsen
Mother: Lena Nilsen
Church Name: Grand Prairie
Church Location: Herscher, Illinois

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 25/02/2018 00:46:46
Message:

Census-1910
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Knudt Nelson Head Male 46 Norway
Lena Nelson Wife Female 45 Norway
Thomas Nelson Son Male 18 Illinois
Mattie Nelson Daughter Female 17 Illinois
Nels Nelson Son Male 14 Illinois
Nelia Nelson Daughter Female 13 Illinois
Retha Nelson Daughter Female 10 Illinois
Hazel Nelson Daughter Female 5 Illinois
Senneva Torgerson Mother-in-law Female 78 Norway
Abe Torgerson Brother-in-law Male 40 Norway

Neighbors to Joseph & Susan Boyd in Census-1900
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Oscar Torgerson Head Male 33 Norway
Susan Torgerson Mother Female 67 Norway Senneva Torgerson, mother to Lena (Helga), Oscar, Ole and Abe (Abraham?)
Ole Torgerson Brother Male 29 Norway
Enger Nelson Servant Female 24 Norway

Census-1900
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Knute Nelson Head M 36 Norway
Helgas S Nelson Wife F 28 Norway
Tome E Nelson Son M 8 Illinois
Mattie E Nelson Daughter F 7 Illinois
Nels Nelson Son M 15 Illinois
Celia H Nelson Daughter F 3 Illinois
Bertie R Nelson Daughter F 0 Illinois

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 25/02/2018 01:33:57
Message:

Here is a marriage of a Oscar Torgerson in Kankakee, mother is Susan Nelson (Synneva?}

Oscar Torgerson
in the Illinois, County Marriage Records, 1800-1940
Name: Oscar Torgerson
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Birth Date: abt 1866
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1903
Marriage Place: Kankakee, Illinois, USA
Father: Tom Togerson
Mother: Susan Nelson
Spouse: Gustie Josephson
Film Number: 001839994

She is called Susan Nelson here but she has to be Synneve Abelsdatter married to Torger Aslaksen parents of Helga, Aslak and Abel.

Helga Aseline Torgersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Helga Aseline Torgersen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 3 jan 1865
Baptism Date: 22 jan 1865
Baptism Place: , Olen, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Torger Aslaksen
Mother: Synneve Abelsdr
FHL Film Number: 124511

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 25/02/2018 01:56:53
Message:

So Synneva or Sonnove is the sister of Agathe Abelsdatter mother of Abel Mikkel and Mikkel Elias Nelson. Where does the name Nelson come from?

Name: Agathe Abelsdr
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 5 apr 1828
Baptism Date: 6 apr 1828
Baptism Place: Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Abel Pedersen
Mother: Helga Nielsdr

And

Name: Sonneve Abelsdr
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 mar 1831
Baptism Date: 6 mar 1831
Baptism Place: Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Abel Pedersen
Mother: Helga Nielsdr

Here is a Niels

Name: Niels Abelsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 mai 1826 (11 May 1826)
Baptism Date: 14 mai 1826 (14 May 1826)
Baptism Place: Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Abel Pedersen
Mother: Helga Nielsdr

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 25/02/2018 02:11:30
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by lyndal40

So Synneva or Sonnove is the sister of Agathe Abelsdatter mother of Abel Mikkel and Mikkel Elias Nelson. Where does the name Nelson come from?

Name: Agathe Abelsdr
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 5 apr 1828
Baptism Date: 6 apr 1828
Baptism Place: Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Abel Pedersen
Mother: Helga Nielsdr

And

Name: Sonneve Abelsdr
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 mar 1831
Baptism Date: 6 mar 1831
Baptism Place: Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Abel Pedersen
Mother: Helga Nielsdr

Here is a Niels could he be the father of the children?

Name: Niels Abelsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 mai 1826 (11 May 1826)
Baptism Date: 14 mai 1826 (14 May 1826)
Baptism Place: Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Abel Pedersen
Mother: Helga Nielsdr

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 25/02/2018 02:25:57
Message:

A geni page for the sisters Agathe and Synneve Abelsdr from Dørheim farm in Ølen, Fjelberg, Hordaland.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 25/02/2018 02:34:21
Message:

Well some data but in looking at a tree for Niels Abelsen, it does not seem likely that he is the father of any of the three Nelson children, Dina, Hockse and Ida.

There are a lot of connections between families but still no parents of Dina, Hokse or Ida or even one of them.

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 25/02/2018 18:39:16
Message:

Doesn't the name Nelson(Nelsen) come from Neils(Nils) Mikkelsen??

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 25/02/2018 18:56:51
Message:

Not to confuse things but i found Gilbert Nelson(1834/35) and Marie(or Elizabet Marie)1849/1850 with daughter Dinah Nelson(abt1869) living in Chicago according to 1870 census. Chicago is close to Herscher(Joe Boyd's farm location)

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 25/02/2018 19:29:16
Message:

Where was this Dinah born?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 25/02/2018 19:30:44
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by rkolson

Not to confuse things but i found Gilbert Nelson(1834/35) and Marie(or Elizabet Marie)1849/1850 with daughter Dinah Nelson(abt1869) living in Chicago according to 1870 census. Chicago is close to Herscher(Joe Boyd's farm location)

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Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 25/02/2018 20:07:00
Message:

according to census Dinah was born in Illinois

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 25/02/2018 21:11:17
Message:

Jan Peter, that probably is the same Dina but she was buried in Chicago so we can rule her out as the real Tena/Dina because Tena was buried in Herscher. Tks for eliminating a lose end

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 25/02/2018 21:43:54
Message:

quote:

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Doesn't the name Nelson(Nelsen) come from Neils(Nils) Mikkelsen??

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 25/02/2018 22:21:03
Message:

Nils Mikkelsen is confusing, and there's not much about him in the local farm history book for Fjelberg.

I noticed there are two Nils Mikkelsen in the area.
The one I referred to previously is likely wrong. He is born 1853 and married on 26. May 1880 with Johanne Jørgine Nilsdr Sjo.
He is Nils Mikkelsen Landa, son of Mikkel Gunnarson and Grete Nilsdotter, was born on 14. Mar 1853 in Sæbø nedre, Fjelberg, Hordaland, was christened on 16. Mar 1853 in Eid kyrkje, Fjelberg, Hordaland, died on 16. Apr 1908 in Landa, Fjelberg, Hordaland at age 55, and was buried on 24. Apr 1908 in Eid kyrkje, Fjelberg, Hordaland.
He is mentioned in 1865 in Sæbø øvre, Fjelberg, Hordaland. 13 yo, Farmhand.
He is mentioned in 1875 in Landa, Fjelberg, Hordaland. Sailor

I believe the correct Nils Mikkelsen is this one:
Nils Mikkelson Hamn 1833-1923
Farm: Stølsdalen under Bjellebø, Fjelberg Hordaland.
Marriage 1: Agate Abelsdotter Dørem 1829-1893.
Children:
Malene Helene
Helga Severine 1874. Parents lived at Gjerde when Helga was born.
Twins Mikel Elias Nelson and Abel Mikel Nelson are not mentioned in reference to this family...

Marriage 2: Ida Gurine Kolbeinsdotter Toftekalven 1862-1952
Children:
Akseline
Bjørge 1894
Ågot 1899, married Torvald Johannesson Eide
Ingeborg Serine Jansdatter
Malene Nilsdatter, married Torstein Torsteinsen Dyrnes
3 of them emigrated to America

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 25/02/2018 23:58:52
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What do we know about this Nels Thorsen who is according to a tree the brother of Siri (Sarah Thorson) born supposedly 1848 in Norway. The reason he caught my eye is that he is married to a Dina, who also has been called Tena Enger? .

Name: Nels Thorson
Birth Date: Sep 1848
Birth Place: Norway
Death Date: 1906
Death Place: Herscher, Kankakee County, Illinois, United States of America
Cemetery: Grand Prairie Lutheran Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Herscher, Kankakee County, Illinois, United States of America

1880

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 26/02/2018 00:22:14
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Here is a record for his wife. The use of the names Dina and Tena are strikingly similar to that used by Dina and Tina, Tena Nelson.

Tena Thorson
in the Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947Name: Tena Thorson
[Tena Enger]
Birth Date: 8 Feb 1848
Birth Place: Norway
Death Date: 6 Mar 1931
Death Place: Herscher Village, Kankakee, Illinois
Burial Date: 10 Mar 1931
Burial Place: Pilot Twp, Kankakee, Ill.
Cemetery Name: Grand Prairie Cemetery
Death Age: 83
Occupation: Housewife
Race: White
Marital Status: W
Gender: Female
Street address: Myrtle Ave.
Father Name: John Enger
Father Birth Place: Norway
Mother Birth Place: Norway
FHL Film Number: 1653755

They are listed as having been married in 1874.

Marriage
30 Dec 1874 • Kankakee County, Illinois USA

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 26/02/2018 00:29:14
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In the 1900 US Census Nels Thhorson is living near his brother Albert and is listed as being born in Illinois

Named Julian by the transcriber but it is Nels or Nelson

1900

So in 1900 all three of the brothers of Siri (Sarah) are living in Pilot Kankakee practically next to one another , Thor with wife Caroline, Albert with wife Sadie and Nels with wife Tense. All on page 18 of the Census Records.

On page 17 is father of them all Ole along with his daughter Sarah and husband Joseph Boyd

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 26/02/2018 02:17:23
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Further digging into who did Nels Thorson marry. He married Anne J Enger daughter of John Enger and Anne Larsdtter all of Grundy Illinois. John Enger is identified in a tree as the son of Johanes Johnaessen Enge of Skaanvik Hordaland. Johannes Johannessen Enge b 1805 is the son of Johannes Johannessen and Siri Bjørnsdatter. Now we need to see if the records will support this since this makes Nels Thorson and his wife Anna Enger related.

Johannes Johannes Dyviken was baptized Feb 3, 1805 father was Johannes Dyviken (same as Dybvig?). Married as Johanes Johannessen Enge to Anna Larsdatter on May 24, 1845. His second marriage. His father is listed as Johannes Johannessen Dybvig Skannvig. They are married in Etne.

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Kari Johannesdatter Dybvig was baptized Jan 15, 1815 father was Johannes Dybvig, mother was Sirie. Karie married Ole Thorsen July 17,1836. As posted earlier by Jan Peter

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 26/02/2018 02:20:36
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What source is it that gives Dina a birthplace of Etne? Nevermind has been answered earlier in thread. Has it been determined that Siri or Joseph are from Etne?
Ditto.
Opening up the Norwegian digital arkivet for *Dina, no specified last name, from the emigration records only for 1867-1872, and then looking for girls 2 and under, finds these few:

Dina Martine (last name not determined) age 9/12 months resident of Hurdalen leaving 1869-04-10

Dina Johansen 3/4 year resident of S. Odalen 1869-05-11

Dina (last name not determined) 1 year S. Odalen 1870-10-06 (destination is Wellington NZ)

Dina (last name not determined) 3/4 year Ø. Aker 1872-03-28

Dina Mathilde Evensd. 1/2 year 6 months Blakjer 1868-04-18

Dina Magnus.* 2years Høland 1868-04-18

Dina Niels.* (this is the one from Gran and has already been accounted for and eliminated)

Dina Evensen Riis age 1 year Nittedalen 1870-06-22

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 26/02/2018 15:10:55
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Originally posted by rkolson

so the great Joe A Boyd mystery is solved! Still seems to be some confusion regarding their daughter Tena (Thine?) Boyd. Her death notice in the Herscher paper said she was born in Etna, Norway on Oct 10, 1868 and came to Illinois at age 1yr with her parents Joe and Sarah(Thorson) Boyd. She had 7 children: Louise, Mabel, Iborra, Myrtle, Thorval, Joe, and my grandmother Anna. Could the Etna reference actually be referring to Etne which would fit with the Baúge Skånevik? Does Yttre translate to "outer"? Are Sarah and Siri interchangeable names? Why did Ole Thorsen Flatland have "vagrant" after his name? Thanks again for all your wonderful help. Robert

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Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 26/02/2018 16:53:14
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The will of Joseph A. Boyd on FamilySearch.org clearly indicates that Houcky and Tina were adopted. (Kankakee County Will Book 3, page 177.)

The Probate Books for Kankakee County also seem to include other legal records - I briefly noticed guardianship papers and naturalizations when looking for some kind of an index in those digitized books.

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 26/02/2018 17:28:22
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Jackie, Tena's death notice doesn't mention any siblings, but remember she died at age 95.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 26/02/2018 17:41:26
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Originally posted by rkolson

Jackie, Tena's death notice doesn't mention any siblings, but remember she died at age 95.

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Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 26/02/2018 17:43:27
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Jackie, when you searched immigration records for Dina would entries for Dinah have come up?

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 26/02/2018 17:43:28
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Originally posted by Hopkins

The will of Joseph A. Boyd on FamilySearch.org clearly indicates that Houcky and Tina were adopted. (Kankakee County Will Book 3, page 177.)

The Probate Books for Kankakee County also seem to include other legal records - I briefly noticed guardianship papers and naturalizations when looking for some kind of an index in those digitized books.

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 26/02/2018 17:45:46
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Originally posted by rkolson

Jackie, when you searched immigration records for Dina would entries for Dinah have come up?

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Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 26/02/2018 17:53:20
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Robert, did Joseph and Sarah Boyd have any children other than Dina, Hockse and Ida?

I notice for the baptism of a son of Hockse the witnesses are Oliver Tofte, Tina Tofte, Oscar Boyd, Ella Boyd and Ida Boyd I am assuming that Oscar Boyd and Ella Boyd are children of Syvert Boyd.

Joseph Arthur Boyd
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1826-1945
Name: Joseph Arthur Boyd
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1904
Baptism Date: 20 Feb 1904
Baptism Place: Herscher, Illinois, USA
Father: Houckey Boyd
Mother: Nettie Boyd
Church Name: Grand Prairie
Church Location: Herscher, Illinois

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 26/02/2018 18:14:40
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Now it wonders me if Houcky and Dina are blood relations to each other? Guardianship records would be helpful from the 1870s....

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Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 27/02/2018 02:06:29
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Hopkins, the will discovery was great! Confirmed what was previously speculation. I've now spent 3hrs trying to find it on Family Search but can't properly navigate the site...any tips on how to get to it?

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 27/02/2018 13:34:40
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Search their CATALOG. I started by searching for Illinois. Then chose to look at the list of places within Illinois which correctly spelled Kankakee for me. Choose Kankakee and see the list of topics they have in their collection for that county. Probate records were one of the topics and when I chose it listed the books and years, old microfillm numbers we used to be able to order and had little camera icons off to the right of each. That icon means you can look at the pages of that book while online in the catalog. The Will books were listed under that topic.
I'm not sure there is any advantage to choosing "Illinois Probate Records are available online, click here." because it seemed to me to include all the books at the same time and I wanted to reduce the number of pages I was scanning through. But you may want to to try both and see which you prefer.

Sometimes searching the CATALOG may not give you an option to view records online BUT you will learn of their existence and where they are to develop other means of access. I've found published history books listed for areas that I was then able to borrow by Inter-Library Loan and helped me immensely in my own family research. Other times the CATALOG may inform you that you must visit one of their Family History Centers to be able to view - and there are many of those all over the world.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 27/02/2018 15:44:46
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Originally posted by Hopkins

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Now it wonders me if Houcky and Dina are blood relations to each other? Guardianship records would be helpful from the 1870s....

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It sticks with me that both those young children are listed as Boarders in the 1880 US census rather than adopted children - so perhaps the adoption took place after that census.
There are a number of "Probate" court record books for Kankakee that are available to browse through page by page, years 1853-1926 through the catalog of FamilySearch.org. I do not have the time to go through all of those to find Houcky and/or Dina/Tina and the Joseph Boyd family and I didn't happen to find an index. I would think that someone who has actual family ties and reason to be very interested would make the time themselves.

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 27/02/2018 19:40:58
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The will of Joe A. Boyd. Great thanks to Hopkins!

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 27/02/2018 19:57:34
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The adoption of Tena (b.10 Oct 1869) and Hucken (b.15 Jul 1872) Nelson. Mother is dead, father is living but has abandoned the children, and his whereabouts is unknown. The adoption is dated December 6th 1883, and it says that Tena and Hucken have lived with them for more than 7 years, ie since about 1875-76.

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 27/02/2018 23:34:58
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Incredible to see the actual will and adoption papers, what terrific digging you have done! The adoption papers also confirm Tena's Oct 10th birthday but make her 1 year younger with a birth yr of 1869. Even with Hopkins help i have yet to conquer the Kankakee records system so tks again for the above documents. You all must be exhausted by what i thought to be a strait -forward query

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 28/02/2018 00:22:40
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Check to see if there is an LDS Family History Center (FHC) somewhere fairly near to you. Check their schedule of open hours and go visit. A volunteer at a FHC should be able to show you how to simply navigate that system of showing scanned images of items in their HUGE and growing catalog of resources. They have planned to keep adding scanned images to their website - it would be best you learn to use them.

You do not have to be a member of their church to use their FHC and in all the years I've used the one nearest me I've never been preached at or pressured in any manner.

Someone has tried to make a YouTube video to help...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2bUqCIg_iA

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 28/02/2018 21:00:00
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Originally posted by lyndal40

A possibility for Ida Nelson

Name: Ida Nelson
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1873
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1873
Baptism Place: Lisbon, Illinois, USA
Father: Peder C Nelson
Mother: Signy Nelson
Church Name: Lisbon Lutheran Parish
Church Location: Lisbon, Illinois

Lisbon is in Kendall County

A spelling for Houckey, one witness is Ida Boyd

Joseph Arthur Boyd
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1826-1945
Name: Joseph Arthur Boyd
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1904
Baptism Date: 20 Feb 1904
Baptism Place: Herscher, Illinois, USA
Father: Houckey Boyd
Mother: Nettie Boyd
Church Name: Grand Prairie
Church Location:

Herscher is in Kankakee County

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Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 28/02/2018 21:06:38
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It seems Anton has a good prospect for Ida's parents here, is there a reason to discount this? Also Jan Peter found the grave marker for the parents that shows Signy died 1 yr after this baptism...maybe the reason for Ida(and other children?) to move in with Boyds?

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 28/02/2018 21:36:57
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According to adoption documents Tena and Hucken moved in with the Boyds in 1876, 2 yrs after Signy's death in 1874

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 28/02/2018 21:55:48
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It seems Anton has a good prospect for Ida's parents here, is there a reason to discount this? Also Jan Peter found the grave marker for the parents that shows Signy died 1 yr after this baptism...maybe the reason for Ida(and other children?) to move in with Boyds?

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Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 28/02/2018 23:53:35
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that seems to fit. The grave marker showed Peter Cornelius Nelson(1/20/1830-12/13/1904) and Signe Danielson(8/20/1833-1874). But still no definitive link of Ida to Tena? The adoption papers did imply the same parents(comment that mother was dead and father abandoned them)

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 01/03/2018 00:34:47
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The Ida Nelson daughter of Peter C Nelson and Signe Danielsdatter is not the same person as the Ida Nelson found in the 1880 Census living as a servant with Joseph A Boyd and Sarah Boyd. Two different people. One married as twice as shown above and the Ida Nelson from the Boyd family married an Ole Toreson and the couple can be found in the 1910 Census in Essex, Kankakee, Illinois. It is somewhat interesting that Ole Toreson is listed as being from Fjeldbeg parish, Hordaland.

Probably this one

Name: Ole Toresen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 jun 1872
Baptism Date: 16 jun 1872
Baptism Place: , Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Torris Olsen
Mother: Johanna Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 124511

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 01/03/2018 18:00:06
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so does this take us back to Nils Mikkelson(Fjeldberg) as the likely father of Tena, Hocke, and Ida?

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 01/03/2018 21:00:18
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Originally posted by rkolson

so does this take us back to Nils Mikkelson(Fjeldberg) as the likely father of Tena, Hocke, and Ida?

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 02/03/2018 01:24:31
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Have you gotten the death certificate for Hockey?

Reply author: rkolson
Replied on: 02/03/2018 16:42:13
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good idea. i know how to get a paper copy from Illinois, do you know if there is a way to do it electronically?

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 02/03/2018 16:51:34
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Haven't heard of a way to get them electronically.

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