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PhilMyhre
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 Posted - 15/05/2019 : 01:50:42
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I went back to the Geni Tree to see if some information could be gotten from the work that would have been done there. Found this that I overlooked the first time.
Josefa Bernhardine ble født på Bragernes i Drammen i en søskenflokk på 7. Hun ble døpt i Bragernes kirke, og i kirkeboken står bl.a "Jomfru Anne Stoltenberg" oppført som en av fadderne. Anne (Holgersdatter) Stoltenberg er en noe yngre halvsøster av Sara Marie, Josefas mor.
Would seem to be referring to Anne Magdalene Moss January 30, 1778
Kragerø, Telemark, Norway. But if so then Sara Maria would have been born before 1778?
Name: Anna Magdalena Hendrichsdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 30 jan 1778
Baptism Date: 6 feb 1778
Baptism Place: Kragero, Telemark, Norway
Father: Hendrich Moss
Mother: Anna Maria Josepha Koss
FHL Film Number: 126947
I think Jackie has been here before.
Then the tree lists Peter Henrich as her brother b 1796 Buskerud. Major Peter Falck Von Koss and Maria Josefa Von Koss.
Last entry right hand page
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Here is Peter Falk von Koss and wife Anna Maria Josepha Moss and son Peter in 1801. One would think that if Anna Maria had a daughter in 1790 that she would be with her mother.
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They married Jan 29, 1788 Kragero, Telemark, Norway
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Children of Anna Maria Josepha Koss and Henrich Moss Married 16 mar 1775 , Baptism date given All from Kragero, Telemark except Peter.
Joseph Albert Feb 26, 1776
Friderica Henriksdatter Feb 6, 1778
Anna Magdalene Feb 6, 1778
Andreas June 28, 1779
Maria Elisabeth Oct 14, 1782
And with Peter Falch Married Jan 29, 1788
Peter Henrich July 9, 1796
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PhilMyhre
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Posted - 15/05/2019 : 01:55:25
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Hello Lyndal,
I am still working on my family tree . I have a lot of info now (still a few gaps though!) Could I refer you to your post above with reference to Josefa Bernhardine from Geni Tree - can you provide me with the link? Is it available in English and who or what is the original source?
For your information, we are visiting Stavanger in August so will be visiting several sites and meeting some relations I hope. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/05/2019 : 02:22:32
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Here is a link to the profile for Bernardine Josepha Hansen (Myhre) on Geni.com
Geni.com
The comment section is not in English but Google does a fairly good job of translating. I made a few minor corrections.
"Josefa Bernhardine was born at Bragernes in Drammen in a sibling group of 7. She was baptized in the church of Bragernes, and in the church book, "The maiden Anne Stoltenberg" is listed as one of the godparents. Anne (Holgersdatter) Stoltenberg is a somewhat younger half-sister of Sara Marie, Joseph's mother.
Josefa grows up in Drammen as the daughter of "Hattemagermester" Ole Hansen Myhre, and the family was good at it. The father owns 2 houses for several years, but then things do not go well , the competitors are many, and the father Ole gets sick. In 1831, the same year that Josephas youngest brother was born, his father goes missing, and in January 1836 the father dies of tuberculosis.. He was buried at the Bragernes church. The family has some heavy years ahead of them, yet her mother Sara Marie is able to give her children schooling and good education.
20, 27 Oct. and 3.nov. In 1844, the marriage of Josefa and Peder Hansen in Bragernes Church was announced and the week after they married. In the course of 1845 they moved and settled in Stavanger, where in the first few years Peder fed himself as a wheel maker, then a police officer and a headteacher witness. They became the parents of 4 sons and two daughters. Josefa and Peder died shortly in the fall of 1891, and were buried at Lade cemetery in Stavanger."
The Profile Manager is Bjørg Mossige Hansen and there is a link so that you can contact him directly.
There is not a source listed for the above information but if you click on the mother there is one source listed.
Sara Marie Myhre (born Stoltenberg)
Added by Wenche Vetlesen (Storholm)
Collection: MyHeritage Family Trees
Site name: Vetlesen Web Site
Site manager: Wenche Vetlesen
However as shown earlier some of the information in this tree is not correct. |
Edited by - AntonH on 15/05/2019 17:05:46 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 15/05/2019 : 17:08:32
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I also went back and read the discussion on "Myhre Family Kongsberg" at Brukernes eget forum at Arkivverket which is quite complete.
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PhilMyhre
Junior member
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Posted - 23/05/2019 : 05:59:46
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OK that's great thanks. I have been able to translate that info into english on line re Josefa and Peder.
There are a couple of errors in the Geni site and I have come across one possibility just today. We now know that Sara Marie Jacobsdatter and Anne Holgersdatter Stoltenbeg were sisters, the illegitimate daughters by Holger Scheel Stoltenberg born Feb 25th 1761. The mothers name is unknown (would love to know who). Holger had another two children by Ragnild Villand, his housekeeper, one son Christian Holger Stoltenberg B. 1796 who went on to marry Concordia Susanne Dorothea nee Lange and both are buried in Copenhagen. There is street named after him there.
The other son was stillborn in 1804, 3 months after his father Holger died. Ragnild died 3 days later. Holger and Ragnild were not married as far as I can see.
I think it is possible the von Koss/Moss connection could be with Holger Scheels older brother Holger Stoltenberg born in 1755 and that is where the confusion may lie.
I am looking for some other information on one of Sara Marie's daughters (besides Josefa) in Olava Charlotte Myhre B 1826 in Drammen who married a Kittil Jorgenssen Rude in 1846, had one son and left for America. A few days ago I received a record of a
'leaving a parrish' certficate with their names dated 1850. I have searched over and over for any record of their arrival in America to no avail.
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PhilMyhre
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Posted - 23/05/2019 : 06:04:47
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| I can add a copy of the entry if it would help? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/05/2019 : 07:27:22
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Yes, the link would be good.
They might appear in the Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States: a Biographical Directory, 1825-1850 Volume Five 1850. I can look tomorrow.
Marriage in Stavanger:
Name Kittel Jorgensen
Birth Date 1820
Age 26
Spouse's Name Olava Charlotte Myhre
Spouse's Birth Date 1826
Spouse's Age 20
Event Date 23 Apr 1846
Event Place Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Father's Name Jorgen Halvorsen
Spouse's Father's Name Ole Hansen Myhre
Citing this Record
"Norway Marriages, 1660-1926," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7RW-JW6 : 10 February 2018), Kittel Jorgensen and Olava Charlotte Myhre, 23 Apr 1846; citing Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway; FHL microfilm 307,145.
Name Severin Andreas Kittelsen
Gender Male
Birth Date 30 Dec 1849
Birthplace Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Christening Date 03 Feb 1850
Christening Place Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Father's Name Kittel Jørgensen Rude
Mother's Name Olava Charlotte Myhre
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7P9-DRK : 10 February 2018), Olava Charlotte Myhre in entry for Severin Andreas Kittelsen, 30 Dec 1849; citing Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway; FHL microfilm 1,282,679.
Name Jorgine Otilie Kittilsdatter
Gender Female
Birth Date 24 Apr 1846
Christening Date 24 May 1846
Christening Place Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Father's Name Kittil Jørgensen
Mother's Name Olava Charlotte Myre
Citing this Record
"Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7RG-4QR : 10 February 2018), Olava Charlotte Myre in entry for Jorgine Otilie Kittilsdatter, 24 Apr 1846; citing ; FHL microfilm 307,144.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/05/2019 : 01:01:08
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The book is Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States: a Biographical Directory, 1825-1850 Volume Five 1850.
The Kittil Jørgensen & Olava Charlotte family is listed in Volume 5 on page 304 but their ship is unidentified and there is no further information on the family afterwards in United States. They did identify another child a boy called Jørgen Hans Kittilsen b about 1848 as well as Severin Andreas Kittilsen from above.
In the list in the book near the family are 3 other leaving families from Stavanger a Knud Reimers aka Knud Grannestad Reimers, with 2nd wife Maren Eliasdatter and 1 child from 1st marriage Maren b 1827 and 5 daughters from 2nd marriage Rakel b 1836, Johanne Marie b 1838, Mathilde Boline b 1841, Karen Regine b 1845, Laura b 1848.
Govert Eriksen b abt 1820 migrated to Milwaukee, Wisc, then in 1851 moved to Green Bay Wisc. was married in Milwaukee 29 July 1850 to Marthe Bjørnsdatter b. abt 1831. Source of information includes Ephraim Moravian church records.
Knud Olsen Tøge b aby 1812 who was a sailor migrated to Adams twp, LaSalle county, Illinois. His wife Ingeborg Aslaksdatter b abt 1812 and their children Ole Knudsen Tøge b. 1839 who served in the Civil War in Co E, 82nd Illinois Infantry and who married Julia Jenson, one daughter named Carrie family moved to DesMoines Ia about 1893,; other children of Knud and Ingeborg who came to US are: Regine, b 1845; Andreas b 1849 he lived in Cambridge Iowa and used the name A.K. Olsen; children born US Charly b 1852, and Martin Johan b 1855. Sources for this family include Indian Creek Church records and Lutheran Church Herald 15 Dec 1923. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/05/2019 : 03:28:18
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Ancestry.com emigration records show only one ship from Stavanger arriving in New York in 1850. The Ebenezer arriving May 15, 1850 with 82 passengers.
I did not see any names on the list that resembled any of the names in Jackie's above post
Several ships arrived from Bergen in 1850. Total number of passengers from Bergen was 833.
Still have not found any names from Bergen that click with the desired passengers. |
Edited by - AntonH on 24/05/2019 03:30:33 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/05/2019 : 05:30:55
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Norway Heritage passage page gives another ship from Stavanger in 1850 for which there is no posted list: the schooner Rogaland that left Stavanger on 16 May and arrived at New York on the 29 June.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_year.asp?ye=1850
Target family # 8 in utflyttede date for sign out 15 May:
SAST, Domkirken sokneprestkontor, 30/30BA/L0016: Parish register (official) no. A 15, 1844-1854, p. 356
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051214031277
#7 also signed out that day widower Arne or Arnt Holler / Hollen?
The Reimers noted above are # 6 sign out 14 May
Govert Eriksen is 13 May # 5 and Marthe Bjørnsdatter his future wife is #4.
#3 is Reinert Gjestsen signing out 14 May.
Govert Erikson in 1870 census Brown county, Wisconsin indexed as Forest although the original record does read Govert:
John White M 20 Canada
Mary White F 23 Canada
Forest Erikson M 49 Norway
Martha Erikson F 49 Norway
Elexander Erikson M 17 Wisconsin
Lena Erikson F 13 Wisconsin
Otto Erikson M 8 Wisconsin
Samuel Erikson M 5 Wisconsin
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1870," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN93-M7Y : 12 April 2016), Otto Erikson in household of John White, Wisconsin, United States; citing p. 7, family 54, NARA microfilm publication M593 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 553,202.
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PhilMyhre
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New Zealand
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Posted - 27/05/2019 : 06:50:35
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PhilMyhre
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Posted - 27/05/2019 : 07:00:29
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| Emigration entry 1850 Item 8 RH page. I see the daughter Jorgine. After a quick read of the entries you have posted I am a little unsure if her husband was Kittil Rude or Kittil Jorgensen ? I shall have a further read !! Thanks so much for your input. |
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PhilMyhre
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Posted - 27/05/2019 : 07:07:49
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| I guess they could have left from Oslo and /or Kristiansand? |
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PhilMyhre
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Posted - 27/05/2019 : 07:23:15
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| I see Jackie found the emigration record that I had !! |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/05/2019 : 12:33:43
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Originally posted by PhilMyhre
Emigration entry 1850 Item 8 RH page. I see the daughter Jorgine. After a quick read of the entries you have posted I am a little unsure if her husband was Kittil Rude or Kittil Jorgensen ? I shall have a further read !! Thanks so much for your input.
He can be both...
The classic Norwegian name consists of 3 elements. The first or given name (Kittil). The patronymic which is based on your father's given name with the addition of sen or datter depending on your gender (Jørgensen). And the farm name which is essentially an address, since every farm in Norway has a name (Rude.)
The other child is the son Jørgen Hans. The daughter Jørgine may have died and the parish register should be checked for both her birth and her death. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 27/05/2019 12:45:58 |
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