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jkmarler
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 Posted - 22/10/2013 : 21:01:11
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Originally posted by eibache
Johan Bendik Johnsen and Martha Olsdatter were married Dec 29 1881, #13.
Moved out of Levanger with 3 children 1889, #17 - 21.
The marriage record gives Martha's father's name as Ole Johnsen Venåsvold. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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NancyB
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Posted - 22/10/2013 : 22:56:56
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Originally posted by eibache
Johan Bendik Johnsen and Martha Olsdatter were married Dec 29 1881, #13.
Thank you, Einar! I have used a translator to try to decipher the marriage information. Can anyone fill in the blanks and/or correct me where I'm wrong?
1. Record number: 1
2. Under what date was marriage entered into: 12 Dec 1881
3. Which marriage: 1st for both
4. Full names of groom and bride: Johan Bendik Johsen and Martha Olsdtr
5. Groom’s status, occupation and residence: -- Buranvald?
6/7. Groom’s and Bride’s Place and Year of Birth: Him Buranvald?? 1850; Her Verdalen 29 Mar 1855 [in Klepp municipality, Rogaland county]
8. When and where confirmed if outside the parish. Her: 1871 Verdalen
9. Full names of groom’s father, bride’s father and their occupation. His: -- John Olsen Buranvald; Hers: -- Ole Johssen? Verisovald?
10. Names and addresses of the Best Men. --- Larsen Buranvald? -- Ole Paul—Venis
11.Date of public announcement: ? [Date doesn’t make sense to me]
Thank you!
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NancyB
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Posted - 22/10/2013 : 23:01:06
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Originally posted by eibache
Johan Bendik born Nov 17 1850, #1. Parents John Olsen and Randi Jacobsdatter.
What is the word coming after Olsen? That seems to be the same word that shows up in several places on the marriage record, but I am having trouble deciphering it. |
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NancyB
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Posted - 22/10/2013 : 23:15:26
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Perhaps the potential relationship is on Martha's side.
JKMarler, is there something in particular that would make you think this, or do you just think it's an option worth exploring?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/10/2013 : 00:04:52
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Originally posted by NancyB
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Perhaps the potential relationship is on Martha's side.
JKMarler, is there something in particular that would make you think this, or do you just think it's an option worth exploring?
Martha's father's name is Ole Johanneson. Many times when Norwegians in America are asked their father's name, their last name is assumed to be the same as their father because of our custom of inheriting our surname from our father. That is just one of many different naming paths that have happened to Americans of Norwegian descent. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/10/2013 : 00:07:06
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Originally posted by NancyB
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Originally posted by eibache
Johan Bendik born Nov 17 1850, #1. Parents John Olsen and Randi Jacobsdatter.
What is the word coming after Olsen? That seems to be the same word that shows up in several places on the marriage record, but I am having trouble deciphering it.
The word is Buranvold. Buranvold is a farm in Levanger. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/10/2013 : 00:16:56
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1. Record number: 1
2. Under what date was marriage entered into: 12 Dec 1881
3. Which marriage: 1st for both
4. Full names of groom and bride: Johan Bendik Johsen and Martha Olsdtr
5. Groom’s status, occupation and residence: -- Buranvald?
6/7. Groom’s and Bride’s Place and Year of Birth: Him Buranvald?? 1850; Her Verdalen 29 Mar 1855 [in Klepp municipality, Rogaland county]
8. When and where confirmed if outside the parish. Her: 1871 Verdalen
9. Full names of groom’s father, bride’s father and their occupation. His: -- John Olsen Buranvald; Hers: -- Ole Johssen? Verisovald?
10. Names and addresses of the Best Men. --- Larsen Buranvald? -- Ole Paul—Venis
11.Date of public announcement: ? [Date doesn’t make sense to me]
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11. Date is the 4th, 11th, 18th of December the 12th month. Banns are read 3 times to the congregation before a marriage.
Martha's father's farm is Venåsvold, one of the bondsmen or groomsmen is from Venås from. This farm name is the likely source for her maiden name of Wenos given in the census in 1925.
Verdalen is not in Kleppe. It is a parish in fylke Nord Trøndelag.
The date of their marriage is 29 Dec not 12 Dec |
Edited by - jkmarler on 23/10/2013 00:23:22 |
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NancyB
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Posted - 23/10/2013 : 00:24:24
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Originally posted by jkmarler
11. Date is the 4th, 11th, 18th of December the 12th month. Banns are read 3 times to the congregation before a marriage.
Martha's father's farm is Venåsvold, one of the bondsmen or groomsmen is from Venås from. This farm name is the likely source for her maiden name of Wenos given in the census in 1925.
Verdalen is not in Kleppe. It is a parish in fylke Nord Trøndelag.
The date of their marriage is 29 Dec not 12 Dec
Thank you for this information and the information in your other posts. |
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NancyB
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Posted - 23/10/2013 : 00:54:30
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Originally posted by NancyB
[quote]Originally posted by eibache
Johan Bendik born Nov 17 1850, #1. Parents John Olsen and Randi Jacobsdatter.
Are the names in the first column on the second page godparents? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/10/2013 : 00:59:29
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/10/2013 : 01:13:42
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Johan Oluf Johnsen
Born 2 April 1882
Christened 16 Apr 1882
Place: Levanger, Nord Trondelag, Norway
Father: Johan Bendik Johnsen
Mother: Martha Olsdatter
Source: family search transcription
A candidate - Olaf J. Johnson marries Matilda Melby b 1883 in Norway, marriage 14 Oct 1903 in Clarion, Wright, Iowa. His parents John B Johnson and Martha Olson. In 1910 they lived in Rush Lake, Palo Alto, Iowa and Olaf said to have immigrated 1889 (son Carl A Johnson 6, Clarance R Johnson 4). In 1920 they lived in Wentworth, Lake, South Dakota and Olof immigrated 1890 (kids Arthur C, Clarnce R, Goldie M, Lila K, Elva G). In 1930 they lived in Madison, Lake, South Dakota
A candidate for Gideon, mentioned by Nancy:
1910 in Russell, Rolette, North Dakota, G R Johnson 26 b abt 1884 Norway, to USA 1888 with wife Stella Johnson 24
World War I Draft Registration
Gideon R Johnson
Havre, Hill, Montana
Born 24 August 1884
farming
Nearest relative: Stella M. Johnson
1920, 1930, 1940, in Staton Coulee, Hill, Montana
Gideon R Johnson died 1954; Stella (Gates) Johnson died 1969; their daughter Vera (1918-2000) is buried in same cemetery, Highland Hill in Havre, Hill, Montana. Obit with survivors mentioned, here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Johnson&GSiman=1&GSsr=41&GScid=20911&GRid=37042909&
Descendants sometimes have family stories that explain hard-to-crack mysteries (such as the birth family of Betsy Johnson). |
Edited by - JaneC on 23/10/2013 12:37:38 |
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NancyB
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Posted - 23/10/2013 : 02:21:54
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by eibache
Johan Bendik born Nov 17 1850, #1. Parents John Olsen and Randi Jacobsdatter.
Likely the family in the 1865 census on one of the Buranvold farms:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f61720&gardpostnr=376&merk=376#ovre
Pers.no. Household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place Cattle Sheep Goat Barley Oat Potatoes
2090 25 1 Randi Jakobsd. Husmandsenke med Jord e 48 k Størens Prgj. 1 2 3 1/4 1 1/2 2 1/2
2091 26 Ole Jons. hendes Søn hjælper Moderen ug 19 m Størens Prgj.
2092 27 Dina Kristine Jonsd. hendes Datter ug 12 k Levanger Landsogn
2093 28 Olianna Johnsd. hendes Datter ug 9 k Levanger Landsogn
2094 29 Jonas Jons. hendes Søn ug 6 m Levanger Landsogn
No Betsy but the 2 known daugthers could be searched to see if they have the right birthday or leaving information to make them more viable as possible Betsy.
John Bendik Johnson age 16 in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f61720&gardpostnr=397&personpostnr=2196&merk=2196#ovre
Does this suggest that John Olsen was dead at this time, and Johan Bendik was out on his own although his older brother, Ole, was still at home? Betsy, if born in 1850, would be 15 in 1865--a little older than two 2 daughters listed. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 23/10/2013 : 12:50:10
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> "Does this suggest that John Olsen was dead at this time, and Johan Bendik was out on his own although his older brother, Ole, was still at home? " <
Yes. 1865 census see column 7 "Sivilstand" - Randi Jakobsd. is noted as "e." This means enke = widow. Randi's occupation is given as "Husmandsenke med jord" so again you see her designated as enke, widow of a husmand med jord (a type of farmer, with land?). Her son Ole is single, and his occupation is "hjælper Moderen" (helping his mother). So yes John has died and they are working the farm.
1865 census Johan Bendik Jons. has no family relationship in that family (at least none is noted) and his occupation is Tjenestegut - hired worker of some kind. This would be very common among Scandinavian immigrants in America at this time also - that a teenager (boy or girl) in a farm family would "work out" at another family's farm to bring in family income.
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Edited by - JaneC on 23/10/2013 20:39:31 |
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Betsy Johnson of Bergen
