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Henning74
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Norway
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 Posted - 20/01/2004 : 12:14:55
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I have been searching for pictures of the S/S Oder built by C & W Earle, Hull in 1861 for the Wilson Line of Hull. Launched in June 1861, she was a 694 gross ton ship, length 200 feet x beam 27,5 feet. She was an iron construction with a clipper stem. There was a single screw and masts rigged for sail.
The other ship i`m looking for is the bark "Martha", which was built in 1853 at Searsport, Maine, by Wm. Mcgilvery & Benj. Colcord (Marshall Dutch) as the "Fanny Buck". She was later bought by Ludvigsen & Schjeldrup and others in Christiania, Norway. The Martha had a tonnage of 546 tons gross, her length was 130,7 feet x beam 28,4 feet, her depth was 17,8 feet. The ship was sold to Finish owners and renamed "Onni" in 1904.
In 1867 the Martha departed from Christiania on May 1st, and arrived at Quebec on June 17th. She was mastered by Capt. L. Thorsen. Passenger agent was Plesner & Bruun.
It`s critical that i find picture(s) of either one of them, so any help is appreciated.
Cheers :O) |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/01/2004 : 21:19:01
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Found this on a Google search -
http://www.cpinternet.net/dwagner2/genship2.htm
Also, the Steamship Historical Society at the University of Baltimore Langdale Library has an Oder listed in it's photographic collection. These pictures can be purchased. |
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Henning74
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 20/01/2004 : 21:28:19
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Hi Jo Anne
Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately that picture you found on Google did not correspond with the ship i`m looking for. The S/S Oder i`m searching for, foundered in the North Sea in 1875. But i will surely look into the other link you gave me :O)
Cheers :O) |
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 20/01/2004 : 21:45:51
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Try the Hull Maritime Museum for a picture of the Oder:
Hull Maritime Museum
Queen Victoria Square,
Hull,
HU1 3DX
The Norwegian Maritime Museum in Oslo for the Martha:
Norsk Sjøfartsmuseum
Bygdøynesveien 37
0286 Oslo
NORWAY
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Henning74
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 20/01/2004 : 22:20:28
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I have searched in the archives if the Norwegian Maritime museum, but i will check with Hull as you mentioned.
Thank you for your help :O)
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
1297 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2004 : 22:37:21
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| Have you checked with any museums or institutions in Maine? |
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Henning74
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Posted - 20/01/2004 : 22:46:29
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Not yet, but do you have any good references where to look? :O)
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 20/01/2004 : 23:08:21
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| Try the Maine Maritime Museum. There might be some information in this book: "Maritime History of Maine" 1948 by Willaim Huchinson Rowe. I don't know if you can get it here in Norway. |
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James E Heg
Member of honor
USA
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Posted - 21/01/2004 : 02:01:50
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The Maritime History of Maine yields no information on a FANNY BUCK or a MARTHA. Wm. McGilvery is mentioned but no mention a Benj. Colcord. There is a Joanna Colcord (daughter of ship's captain) and a Lincoln Colcord, but no Benjamin.
I also searched "The Down Easters" by Basil Lubbock. It does some coverage of the 1850's but no mention of FANNY BUCK or MARTHA. I have some other books I will try. Somewhere I have read something about FANNY BUCK. I will keep looking |
Edited by - James E Heg on 21/01/2004 02:03:59 |
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Henning74
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 21/01/2004 : 10:19:37
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To James E Heg: You mention Fanny Buck, but is that another name for the same ship. I have not come across that name in my search for Martha, but if so i will check with The norwegian maritim museum again.
Thank you for helping out.
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 21/01/2004 : 16:32:08
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Henning, read what you posted in your first post on this topic:
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The other ship i`m looking for is the bark "Martha", which was built in 1853 at Searsport, Maine, by Wm. Mcgilvery & Benj. Colcord (Marshall Dutch) as the "Fanny Buck". She was later bought by Ludvigsen & Schjeldrup and others in Christiania, Norway. The Martha had a tonnage of 546 tons gross, her length was 130,7 feet x beam 28,4 feet, her depth was 17,8 feet. The ship was sold to Finish owners and renamed "Onni" in 1904.
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Henning74
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 21/01/2004 : 16:38:57
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| ooops, my bad! :O) i guess it must have slipped through when i was at work today...hmm.. |
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James E Heg
Member of honor
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Posted - 21/01/2004 : 23:11:30
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I think we had best fall back and regroup on this subject. It might help if Henning would post the source(s) of his information on MARTHA. First, I believe the name given as "Fanny Buck" was meant to be FANNY, bark. I find several FANNY, barks but no "Fanny Buck", though I have thousands of ship's names from the era in question. I can't make the information given track with any of the data I have at hand. I have several MARTHA, barks but the largest is 470 tons. Also Wm. McGilvery does not come into a prominence as a ship builder until the 1870's. Jim |
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Henning74
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 22/01/2004 : 01:28:32
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| I recon you are right James. First of all: The information first posted about "Oder" and "Martha" was found on this site :O) I was originally looking for travellers from Ski county in Norway, using sailingships. I found Johan Hansen (46 years) wich travelled with his wife Andrine Andreasdatter (48 years). They both sailed with "Martha" in 1869 from Kristiania, Norway to Quebek, Canada. Looking at the ad for that journey, gives your theese details: ..."Ship Martha, mastered by Capt. I. Thorsen, burden 255 Commercial lasts, class A. 2, copper hooded, fasts sailing, permanent and light between deck, painted white under deck, unusually beautifully and comfortable equipped.." ( http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=marta ). Today i finally was told there is a picture of "Oder" from Hull maritime museum, but Martha is my prime target. I wish i could give you more information, but there seams to be little of it so far. |
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cdkerr1
New on board
USA
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Posted - 28/01/2004 : 03:46:03
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| Just by luck came across your plea for a picture of the Fanny Buck. I can not find any proof to the following except family history handed down. My Name sake David Bruce Kerr was said to be the captain of the Fanny Buck in the late 1850's or early 1860's. I have a half model of the ship that was supposed to be the fanny Buck. I have corrisponded with the Penobscot Marine Museum in Searsport maine and according to them the ship model I have is of a full rigged ship and not a bark as the Fanny Buck built in Searsport was. But I understand that it was not unusual for a Bark to be converted to a ship. The museum has I believe some construction information on the ship but no picture. If it would be of any help I can probably get a picture to you. If anyone has any infromation on the Fanny Buck and a captain named Kerr or if it was ever converted to a ship I would love to get it to confirm what is here say in my family. David Kerr davidkerr@covad.net |
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Henning74
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 28/01/2004 : 11:01:43
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Sounds like great news. i will e-mail you straight away for a coupple of questions :O)
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Pictures of "Martha/Onni" or/and "Oder"?
