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smartypants
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 Posted - 12/09/2004 : 09:21:19
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I'm looking for any info for Ole Olsen. He married Gunild Olesdr on Nov 3, 1946, in Romedal, Hedway, Norway.
Their daughter's name was Ellen Serena Larsen. born Mar 1, 1847, christened Jun 27, 1847 in Selje, sogn og Fjordane.
She married Lars Olson
Their Children are Ole Cornelius Olson and Emma Olson
Ole Cornelius Olson married Petra Timboe and they immigrated to Canada, but I don't know when. Any information that you could pass on to me would help me a great deal.
 THanks,
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askeroi
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Norway
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 17:02:58
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Where is this information coming from?
It doesn't look very likely that a daughter of Ole Olsen could be named Larsen, especially when married to another Olsen.
As far as I can see there's no couple Ol.. Ols.. and Gun... Ols... in the right places in the 1865 cencus. Are they dead before 1865 or did they live yet another place?
I can't find any person called Timboe in the 1900 cencus. Have they emmigrated yet? |
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Edited by - askeroi on 12/09/2004 22:21:16 |
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smartypants
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Posted - 14/09/2004 : 20:05:53
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First of all the her father was an Olsen and her huband was an Olson (spelled different) Petra Timboe's parents were Gabriel Gabrielsen, and her mother's name was Petra Tronstad
Ole Cornelius Olson was born in Stravanger, Norway on Dec 2, 1872. I'm not sure if they were married in Canada or immigrated after they were married. THeir second oldest son, Elmer Olson, was born April 10, 1898, and died Jan 18, 1982 in Wadena Saskatchewan, Canada.
(The oldest son, died the same day he was born.)
As for the Larsen name, I have no idea where it came from, that's what I have. That goes for the Timboe name too. |
Thanks, Anita |
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askeroi
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Norway
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Posted - 14/09/2004 : 21:33:47
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1. You still don't say where you have this information from.
2. You can't trust a spelling variation at this stage, depending on where they lived it either meant they where sons/daughters of an Ola/Olaf//Olaph/Olaus/Olav/Olaves/Ole/Oleif/Oluf/Oluff etc. etc. etc. or that their fathers were. If the reverend or clerck wrote -sen, -son, -søn, -sønn, -s., -ss. or whatever depended more on his education or lazyness than on real differences. And a lot of the -sens grew to -sons in the new world just to add to the confusion.
3. Ole Olsens/Olsons daughter had to be either an Olsdaughter or an Olsen/Olson. And, as married to an Olsen/Olson she'd still be an Olsen/Olson even if she took her husband's name. The only way she could be a Larsen was if she took the name from a stepfather, had been married to a Larsen/Larson before or if Ole Olsen/Olson wasn't her real father.
4. When did they emmigrate? Could we be looking for these people with extremely common names (except Gabriel) in the norwegian 1865, 1875 or 1900 cencus?
5. When and where did Ole Cornelius Olson marry Petra Timboe? And when was she born? In 1865 there's one and only one Petra Gabrielsdaughter in the entire country. She's by then 8 years old and living in Klepp in Rogaland. Unfortunately her father is listed as Gabriel ELLINGS. and her mother Ragnhild Pettersd. so it could not be her.
I'm just trying to help, but in the 1865 cencus there are roughly 21200 norwegians that carried the name Ol... Ol...
And when none of them are married to a Gun... Ol... AND living in Sogn og Fjordane - you understand that I'm looking for a needle in the haystack.
Please give me a chance to help you... |
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Edited by - askeroi on 14/09/2004 21:38:03 |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/09/2004 : 02:32:56
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It looks like Ole came over with his parents in 1873. I am pretty sure this is them in Emigrants from Stavanger Click Here although Elen Serine's last name is Osmundsdatter.
Carla
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/09/2004 : 04:45:21
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An exact match on the birthdate and the mother's given names - a remarkable find!
I'll assume you are absolutely correct and add this bit of earlier information about the mother from the 1865 Norwegian census - living with her parents in Nedstrand, Rogaland on a farm by the name of Helgeland.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f61139&variabel=0&postnr=1061&fulle=true&spraak=n
I don't recognize the birthplace of her mother, Ragnild Jakobsdatter... Sjolds Prestegjeld??
There are several Lars Olsens in Nedstrand in the 1865 census - the closest to a match in age lives on the farm there called Kyle.
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smartypants
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Posted - 15/09/2004 : 06:03:11
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| Thank you for all your help, the information that I gave you was passed down to me from my aunt. |
Thanks, Anita |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/09/2004 : 06:14:36
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Well if that is the correct Lars and Elen here is their marriage record on the LDS IG and Elen's birth is listed as March 1847. Click Here Looking further (click on family in the record) I see that they have a child Oscar born in 1884 in North Dakota. My guess is that your Ole immigrated to Canada after he grew up. Don't take the information listed in the IGI as the absolute truth since they are submitted by individuals and errors are made, Ole is listed as born in 1876 
One of the reasons that Askeroi asks where your information came from is that it doesn't quite fit. It would be very unusal for Ole and Gunild to marry in Hedmark and then move across the country to Sogn og Fjordane while Gunhild was pregnant. Travel in those days wouldn't have been easy and Norway doesn't have the flatlands we have over here  It wouldn't have been impossible just unlikely.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/09/2004 : 10:11:41
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Sjolds Prestegjeld is prob. Skjold parish in Rogaland. (spelled Schiold in census 1801)
Maybe this one? click here
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/09/2004 : 15:52:00
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The 1920 US census indicates several households of the surname Timboe - 3 born in North Dakota (ages 25, 29 and 30), one born in Norway (age 70), and 1 born in Iowa (age 42). Five of these persons live in North Dakota (Ramsey, Benson and McHenry counties), one resides in Montana (Flathead county).
Many of the persons who appear in Ramsey County ND appear to be family of the oldest Norwegian born widow, Birgit or Bergit, who also lives there.
In the 1910 US census these persons appear to have their surname written as Tinbo or Tinboe.
Ah ha! just what I was hoping for - the 1900 census for Ramsey, ND shows that GABRIEL Timboe or Timbee (the handwriting is somewhat smeared) - his wife's name is Berget and they were both born in Norway. The couple has had 11 children, 8 still living in 1900, the four oldest born in Iowa, the youngest all in North Dakota. The parents both indicate that they immigrated to the US about 1872, but have been married only 25 years. Gabriel was born in Oct 1853 and Berget in Feb 1849.
The 1880 US census shows a Gabriel Peterson (age 27) and wife 'Betsey' (age 33) then living in Northwood, Worth County, Iowa. The names and ages of the 3 children in the 1800 census pretty well match the oldest children in ND at the time of the 1900 census.
The 1865 Norwegian census shows a Gabriel Pedersen of an appropriate age living on a farm there listed as " * Tindbø" in Høyland, Rogaland, Norway with his parents and siblings. http://www.rhd.uit.no/ftsoek/ftsoek.asp?kommando=bosted&ftaar=1865&spraak=engelsk_britisk&kommnr=1123&kretsnr=0004&bostnr=0032&leilnr=000
The emigration protocol for the port of Stavanger, Norway does list a Gabriel Pederson of Høyland who was born 21 Oct 1853 as emigrating in 1872...
Of course, all of these items would have to be carefully verified as actually being the family of a woman later known as "Petra" Timboe. But the similiarity of names was too interesting to leave alone. |
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Brining
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Posted - 15/09/2004 : 23:26:55
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In the 1885 census for North Dakota Tindbo, Gabriel in Benson County with a 5 yr old daughter named Petra. Oops looks like she is the daughter of Tindo, Inevald & Anna. I'm betting that Gabriel and Inevald are brothers and Tindo should be Tindbo. They are listed on the same census page but I don't know if that means they lived next to each other. Click Here
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/09/2004 : 23:53:23
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This gets fascinating... in Ramsey County, North Dakota in the 1900 US census I find the family of Lars Olson (b 1844 NO), wife Ellen (b 1847 NO), and children Ole C., Oscar Johan, Matille J., Alfred, daughter-in-law Petra (b. Oct 1879 NO), nephew Elmer and niece Lillie O. This family appears on page 47 in Norway township of Ramsey County AND on the same page are two other families of possible interest. Ole Tinbo family and 'Enewal' Tinbo family. (More relatives of Gabriel?) Both Tinbo families list an immigration year of 1882.
Source: US National Archives Microfilm Series: T623 Roll: 1231 Page: 47 |
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/09/2004 : 02:50:37
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It sure looks like the families were "close" Also note that Emma Olsen is a servant in the Ole Tinboe household. Luckily North Dakota has scanned images of the census on line so if you want to see for yourself Anita here is a link to the census page Click Here
I wonder if the niece and nephew shouldn't have been grandchildren??
Carla
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smartypants
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 22/09/2004 : 05:42:18
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Wow!!
Thanks for all the info!!
I will have to look into it, and varify it.
My step mom is doing the family tree also and she's going to be thrilled at what i found
Thanks a bunch!! |
Thanks, Anita |
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smartypants
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 27/09/2004 : 06:32:23
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| Hi, I have some interesting info. I received a family tree from my grandmother last year, and she has Ellen Serena Osmonson, not Elen Serena Larson, or Olson. Any info you can find about Ellen Serena Osmonson would help. |
Thanks, Anita |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/09/2004 : 14:07:15
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The earliest information about 'Ellen' found was the entry in the 1865 Norwegian census. You could use the parish church books for that parish to look for more and earlier information about Ellen and her ancestors.
Here's a link to a 'how-to' about Norwegian church records - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html |
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