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alhanson
New on board
Canada
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 Posted - 05/04/2005 : 23:25:51
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Hi!
Since my last posting (02/04/2005), I have had a big breakthrough! I now know that my g-grandfather Harald Edmund Hanson was born in Mandal, Norway. He married Gerhardine Alvilda Jensine Hansen from Rudkobing, Denmark (daughter of Hans Hansen born Sept 28, 1823 in Svenborg, Denmark). They were married in Ontario in 1884. An older brother -- Hjalmar Carl Hansen was also born in Mandal, Norway on Feb 10, 1850. Does anyone have any information abour Mandal, Norway? I also will want to learn more about where my g-grandmother came from, but I don't know if that's another list. |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
1100 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2005 : 03:03:46
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Mandal is in Vest-Agder, Norway. You can rent the microfilms for the church records at a local Family History Center:
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hasto
Senior member
Norway
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schansen
New on board
Australia
2 Posts |
Posted - 27/09/2015 : 12:12:17
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| Hello - just picked this post up when doing a Google search and recognised a lot in common from my own family tree. Gerhardine was the daughter of Hans Hansen (my 3xg-grandfather) and Elise Tonneson. Elise was born in Mandal 8th Oct 1827. Elise and Hans had 6 children, one of whom was Gerhardine. 3 of the others (Hakon, Hjalmar (my 2xg-grandfather) and Hulda emigrated to Scotland). Hans' parents were Christian (1796-1853) and Ida Schon (1802-1853). Elise's parents were Hans Clausen Tonneson (b1801) and Marie Christensen(b1806) |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 27/09/2015 : 16:06:53
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Hi schansen. You are descended from Hjalmar in the family below? Danish skipper Hans Hansen b 1824 was his stepfather.
1860 Danish Census
Rudkøbing Købstad, Langelands Nørre, Svendborg
Hans Hansen b 1824, skipper b Svendborg
Elise f Tønnesen b 1828 NORGE
Hjalmar Hansen 10 b 1850 Norge
Ida Hansen 5 b 1855 Svendborg
Hakon Hansen 4 b 1856 Svendborg
Hulda Hansen 2 b 1858 Rudkøbing
Gunhardine Hansen 1 b 1859 Rudkøbing
http://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid8586358
A descendant posted more specifics here (full names, dates, locations):
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DENMARK/2001-10/1003095974
Here is the birth of Hjalmar Carl in Mandal 10 February 1850, unmarried parents Elise Tønnesen of Mandal and Heinrich Clausen from Hamborg:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060510020582.jpg
A direct male to male to male line of descent from Hjalmar will have different Y-DNA than a male to male to male descendant of Hakon.
In 1840 in Svendborg amt, Christian Hansen and Ida Schouv have a son Hans Hansen age 17, " farer til søes" - he has gone to sea. Probably "Schon" is a typo for Schou.
On the link below is 1865 census in Mandal, Vest-Agder, for a couple that matches your description of Elise's parents. Hans Clausen Tønnesen is noted as born in Marstal, Denmark - salvaging one branch of Danish heritage for you - but wait, Hans's dad is said (by a Geni family tree) to be born in Norway:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038174000579
In the opening a "brother Hjalmar" was mentioned - this was likely meant to mean brother to Gerhardine (not her husband) but the original poster never returned to clarify.
If you want to connect with him, click on his username and send an email (if he doesn't reurn here). Hope this helps! 
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schansen
New on board
Australia
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Posted - 29/09/2015 : 02:19:12
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HI JaneC. Thanks for the information on this - it filled in some gaps I had. I am descended from Hjalmar of this family - my grandfather had written out a bit of a story about Hjalmar (his grandfather) and had also put in a family tree as he knew it which had Hans as his great-grandfather, was probably not aware of the unmarried parents situation. My grandfathers handwritten note is in line with the Denmark post as it agreed with Hakon, Hjalmar and Hulda (Constance) moving to Scotland. Based on the information and timing of marriages and births can see how Hjalmar was born out of wedlock to Elise prior to her marrying Hans.
Sort of takes Hans Hansen out of the family line despite my grandfathers well put together note.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/09/2015 : 04:34:02
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| I see, yes, perhaps Hjalmar, or Hjalmar's son at least, never knew the story. But how wonderful that your grandfather preserved that family history as he did. Your Norwegian family were world citizens who moved about and their whereabouts would have been difficult to track, from Australia back and back - to Hjalmar's half-siblings and mother and more - without his account. A treasure! |
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iananderson
New on board
Canada
2 Posts |
Posted - 27/04/2018 : 18:58:51
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| Hi guys I recently came across Harald Edmund Hanson's journal at an auction here in Ontario Canada. It starts 1st September 1884 with the final entry 1915. He has missed several years in between but makes compelling reading Also a few newspaper clippings one about his Norwegian clock. I would love to get this back to someone in the family as it also contains his business dealings etc. Could you please help me in some way Thanks |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 27/04/2018 : 21:11:38
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| Did you send her an e-mail through the norwayheritage system. I will send her one and we will see if she responds. |
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mahansen
Starting member
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2019 : 12:34:04
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| I too am directly descended from Hjalmar C Hansen and had previously thought my Scottish blood had Danish ancestry. I realise now that there is no Danish ancestry other than Hjalmar's 'half' brothers and sisters. Does any have more information on Henrik Classen (Hjalmar's biological father) & how he came to be in Mandal in 1849/50. Does he appear in any census? Hjalmar married Mary Morrison (Alloa) and they had 8 children. Mary died age 40 and Hjalmar died age 43 - both in Leith, Edinburgh |
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mahansen
Starting member
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2019 : 12:36:43
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| Hjalmar states Hans Hansen as his 'father' on his marriage certificate. Does anyone know if Hans officially adopted Hjalmar and then Hjalmar lived with Hans and Elise Tonneson in Denmark - or was Hjalmar brought up in Norway by relatives of Elise. I know he was resident in Norway in 1865, but maybe was just visiting on the day of the census. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2019 : 18:23:06
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Well Hjalmar did undergo confirmation in Norway in 1864, so likely living there at the time.
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And he is registered in the Udflyttde in Mandal to Scotland in 1872
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However the Oppgiven Datum states "for 6-7 aar siden" , I read that as 6-7 yers ago, meaning what? |
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mahansen
Starting member
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2019 : 20:44:35
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| Thank you for this - it's very useful information. I can't find Hjalmar on the emigration list for 1872 - can you tell me which page it is on? Thanks again. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2019 : 21:01:31
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Originally posted by mahansen
Thank you for this - it's very useful information. I can't find Hjalmar on the emigration list for 1872 - can you tell me which page it is on? Thanks again.
Bottom, right page in the given link.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
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However the Oppgiven Datum states "for 6-7 aar siden" , I read that as 6-7 yers ago, meaning what?
Meaning that the priest has received info that Hjalmar emigrated 6-7 years ago, ie. around 1865-66. |
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mahansen
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/01/2019 : 21:22:03
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| Thank you. The first information I have for Hjalmar in Scotland is in 1871 when he was working as a shipbroker's clerk, living in Leith. Now I'll try to fill in the missing years. |
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mahansen
Starting member
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2019 : 16:26:31
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| Does anyone have any information on where Hjalmar lived after his birth in 1850, other than being in his aunt's house on the night of the census in Mandal in 1865? |
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