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Berta
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einarh
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Norway
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 Posted - 24/07/2005 : 13:06:45
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Hi!
My experience is that death certificates through a (minimum) subscription to Ancestry.com is a good solution. But for my research, good advise and also very valuable link introductions from efficient researchers on this site have reallly cracked the nuts! In my case I must say they have solved the whole problem! I think you have been in touch with one of them before.
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Berta
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Posted - 24/07/2005 : 17:58:14
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Thank you for your answer.
Yes, I have gotten a lot of help. Therefore I am a bit reluctant to ask for more. But this woman is keeping me busy.
I just can't understand why I don't find her...
One of the solutions that have been suggested, is that she might have travelled to Boston instead. And of course, this is a possibillity, but why does it say "New York" when she departs from Norway?
I thought that you had to show tickets to the police, when you emigrated, and she might have been "playing card" in Hull, as shown in "Titanic". But I do not think this is very plausible....
It would be a fun story to tell though!
It would be great to find her, since I have tried for so long.
Appriciate all help.
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Berta
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Posted - 25/07/2005 : 19:26:29
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I can not believe my luck!
I have today found that Anna had two brothers who emigrated.
The two were:
Hans Andreassen Soli, born February 7th 1891.
He emigrated on June 3rd 1910, and arrived at Ellis Island June 19th 1910 with the ship, St. Paul from Southampton.
His Ellis Island listing is here:
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=00120965920256229184&FNM=HANS&LNM=SOLLI&PLNM=SOLLI&CGD=M&bSYR=1889&bEYR=1893&first_kind=1&RF=3&pID=101373140055
my transcribtion:
Nr. 25
Solli
Hans
19
4-34305
2/9/43
Norway
Scandinavian,
Norway
Sarpsborg
Mother Grethe Solli
Sarpsborg
N Y
New York
yes
Self
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Sister Anna Ri?? 160 R?? Str. B?? New York, N Y
??
5'9
Norway Sjęberg
As you might see, he is going to his "sister Anna". But I can not read the adress and her last name, Can anyone help me with this?
I guess she lives i New York City, has changed her last name. ( married?)
If anyone could find her in the census also, I would be so happy!
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/07/2005 : 23:54:27
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Hi Berta Anne's last name looks like Rissoth but I didn't find anything in the 1910 census.
I believe I did find Hans in the 1920 census in Baltimore Maryland. He is listed as Solli, Hanes, 29 yr old emigrated in 1910. He is married to a Christina, 27 yr old who emigrated from Norway in 1912. 2 sons George 4 yr and Howard 4 months.
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Berta
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Posted - 30/07/2005 : 15:00:19
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Hello Carla.
Thank you for the census-lookup and trying to interpret the last name for Anna.
What about the adress?
Does it say "160 Richard str., Brooklyn, New York, N Y"?
Does that make any sense?
Thank you for the censuslookup for Hans.
Maybe Anna also used some form of "Soli" in her last name? But I also guess that the adress is a more safe search-tool...
But as I said, thank you!
Best Regards,
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Berta
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Posted - 30/07/2005 : 15:31:29
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With a quick search on Ancestry.com, I see that there is a one
Hans Solli,
- in a database concering the Military - World War 1 Draft Registrations Cards 1917-1918
(with residence in Maryland, Baltimore)
an
Andrew A. Solli
Immigration, Boston Passenger Lists 1891-1943
Could this be the two brothers?
As Andreas ( Andrew could be.. ) immigrated to Boston in 1907, maybe there is something about his family in his manifest?
Is there someone who could help me with what i says in these listnings?
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 12:50:51
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Hi Berta, There is a 160 Richards street in Brooklyn New York so it is a good possibility that is the correct address. I don't know how or where to do a census lookup with just the address.
The Andrew and Hans you found could be the brothers. I don't think there would be much information in Andrews manifest since he is the 1st to arrive.
Carla
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Berta
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 22:39:52
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Hello Carla!
Thank you for your help, once again! And for telling me that there is a street in Brooklyn, with that name.
I do not know either how to make a censuslookup with the name. I know. I should have paid subscription to Ancestry a long time ago.. But.. it is the cost, and the fact that I do not live in the US, if there is something wrong with the payment etc.. I know that these may be week exuses, but as I try to help americans in Norway ( as good as I can) for free, I can only be grateful for all help and comments I get!
As before, I am very much humble and glad for all help!
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Berta
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Posted - 16/08/2005 : 15:07:38
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I still have not yet found anything on Anna Gulette.
Does anyone have any information about a genealogical socity in Brooklyn, who specialises in Norewgian history and familys in Brooklyn?
I understand, from reading some articles, that Brooklyn held the largest population of Norwegians at one time, in the US.
Then, I guess there must be an interest in preserving history from this area. Although I gather that there may be few left in Brooklyn today who are of Norwegian decent, maybe someone know of anybody who does this?
I have searched Cyndi's List, but I did not find anything there.
Does anybody here know?
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/08/2005 : 20:08:32
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I have never run across a Norwegian-Brooklyn organization myself.
Here are two helpful, free NY research sites:
http://www.italiangen.org/NYCDeathSearch.stm
www.green-wood.com - go into Burial Inquiry, this is a very old, Protestant cemetery located in Brooklyn.
Brooklyn is in Kings County, Manhattan New York County, Queens is Queens County. |
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Berta
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Posted - 16/08/2005 : 22:49:49
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Hello Jo Anne, thank you for your answer.
I see that I have left out an important detail in this new topic. In the same records, where I found that Annas brothers emigrated, it also states, that Anna at that time, was living in Norway.
The date was August 16th 1927.
But at some time, ergo 1910, she was living in New York. Hans did not have any other sisters with a similar name, and as I have said before, I have found her emigration from Norway, but not her arriving in the USA.
As her name is different from when she left Norway, a year earlier ( and three months) she must have probably married between March 6th 1909 and June 19th 1910. She could have stayed in England, and married there, before she went from Hull to the US, she could have been married during the voyage over or after her arrival in the US.
And I guess, Anna could have been married in New York. To Mr. Rissoth.. ( or what her last name is.. )
As it is, her brother has her name, when he arrives in New York. He also has her adress.
If I could somehow search for the adress in the 1910 census, it would be interesting to see wheter or not Anna or her brother is living there at the time.
Carla found that Hans Solli, Annas brother was in Maryland in 1920. His oldest child was 4 years old, so he might be married in 1915.
Maybe he was still in New York when the Census was collected.
I guess he used the name "Solli" as a last name. Or at least a part of it.
I have searched Ellis Island for Anna, under the name Anna Rissoth, but I did not find any match.
I searched also the
http://www.italiangen.org/NYCDeathSearch.stm
database, and there was some names in tKings county who could be plausible. But no exat match.
It does seem that finding Anna is nearly impossible. But it may also just be my lack of knowledge too..
Berta
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/08/2005 : 17:21:56
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Hi Berta You might also consider the NYBROOKLYN-L Click Here and posting a query there.
I finally located 160 Richard street on the 1910 census. This may or may not be your Anne but there is one norwegian couple living there. Hans Rosholt age 36 married 7 yr?? Immigrated 1909 Annie age 30 immigrated 1909
Son Anker 8 yr old. Possibly a son by Hans in previous marriage although it says this is the first marriage for both.
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Berta
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Posted - 19/08/2005 : 19:59:01
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This is brilliant, Carla!
This sounds right, according to the Manifest, the last name may well be Rosholt...
But, and there are "buts".
First. Anna and Hans is supposed to be married for 7 years. But when Anna leave Norway in 1909, she is listed as "widow" which sounds plausible, as her husband died in 1902.
But in theory, the could have been married of course.
But could the state of time be "months"? and the same for the boy?
Then there is the age of Anna..
As she was born in 1872, she would have been 38 years old in 1910. But, I guess.. she might have been "young-looking" and lied about her age.
As you say, the boy, Anker could have been a boy from an earlier marrige.
The reason for me anyway thinking that this is really "my" Anne. Is the inscription in Hans Andreassen Sollis Manifest.
It says that his mothers name is "Grete Solli", and that he has a Sister called Anne/Anna in the US at this adress in Brooklyn.
Although.. I am not 100% sure that this is really "my" Anne... Maybe someone other could offer their opinion? I am really thankful for your work, Carla! Thank you soo much!
I have good feeling, but as I said, I am not yet ready to "pop the Champagne".
Any comments is really welcome!
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/08/2005 : 06:39:58
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Hi Berta, It does sound possible. I haven't found them in the 1920 census which would make sense if Anna was back in Norway. Anker was born in Norway. It also says that Anne had one child, and that child is living. It is really hard to say with the census, I'm sure things could get confused. I have tried to find Hans and Anker on the emigrant records but no luck.
Finding more information on them could help prove or disprove that this is the correct Anna
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Berta
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Posted - 20/08/2005 : 12:20:02
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Thank you again, Carla.
I do not know what happened to Anna during the period of late 1902 and March 6 1909. In that period, she could very well have given birth to a child.
As for the 1920 census.. I do not know when she returned, I just know that in 1927 she is said to live in a nearby town of where her mother Grete Kristiansen (Pettersen) Solli dies. This is in Norway.
It also says that she has lived with a man, but this man passed away about 2 months before her mother died.
And I think the first name on this man, is "Hans". But, this is a very common name in Norway.
I have also not found Hans in the emigrantrecords.. Since it states that they both immigrated in 1909.. It should not be difficult to find them both.
Maybe he changed his last name?
Although, here is a Bjarne Rolseth, A singer headed for Brooklyn. His age though is 26 in 1909
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=0500EMIG&gardpostnr=562&merk=562#ovre
Here is a "Hans Johansen Rosholt" entering Ellis Island 1902, but when I open the manifest wiht the enlarger, It is the wrong manifest:
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?pID=102745010656&MID=00120965920256229184&order_num=511039347&ORDER_ID=1500313895&
He is supposed to be 21 in 1902.
Here is something .. rather interesting.
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?pID=101524090199
It is the coupel Hans og Anna Risette.. They are travelling with The Mauritania. But, the date is February 19 (arrival) 1909. This is a month before Anna registers to travel at the policestation in Oslo..
wow... I just remembered something, it was like a "button" switched on...
In early 1907, the end of december og 1906, a person got a letter from Anna. I have not read the letter, but an inscription in a diary tells that Anna is in Kristiania( the capital of Norway) and a married man has fallen in love with her, and followed her to Kristiania..
But when she leaves, she is not grouped together with anyone. But maybe he is on the ship still?
It is more than two years later, that she emigrates, so it could have just ended.. But It just "came to me" when I read about that Hans might have an child from his prev. marrige..
TC
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