2 Questions From the 1900 census... What does it mean when it says Vanse LM? What's the LM? Vanse is the largest town on the peninsula of Lista. Farsund is the city which connects the peninsula to the mainland. Today, Lista is part of Farsund Kommune. Vanse is however where the church is - maybe that's why it says Oline was born in Vanse? Census year: 1900 Municipality: Lista Municipality number: 1041 Name of domicile: Tjørve [Tjorve is a mini-village divided into upper Tjorve (the hillside) and lower Tjorve (water front properties). In some records a place like Tjorve is referred to as a farm. Number of persons in this domicile: 7
Name Family status Marital status Occupation Birth year Place of birth Ethnicity Martin Abrahamsen hf g Gaardbruger selveier og Makrelfisker 1862 Vanse LM Oline Sakariasdatter hm g Gaardbrugerkone 1862 Vanse LM Aksel and Sakarias died in drowned near Glasgow when they were in their 20s Aksel Martinsen s ug Søn 1894 Vanse LM Sakarias Martinsen s ug Søn 1892 Vanse LM Neither Katrine or Sofie lived to be adults Katrine Martinsdatter d ug Datter 1887 Vanse LM Sofie Martinsdatter d ug Datter 1893 Vanse LM and this would be my grandmother b. October 14th 1900 !! Martinsdatter* d ug Datter 1900.10.14 Vanse LM
2nd Question From 1865 Census This shows Oline as being born in the Vanse Prestegjeld (translates to Parish maybe), but living at Kviljo Is it common to use the name of the Parish rather than the name of the farm as the place of birth. Kviljo is pretty close to Vanse - Tjorve is relatively far from Vanse and in fact there's a kapel & bedehus (chapel and ?prayer house) near Tjorve. Also, what precent of the population owned their own farms?
Prestegjeld means clerical district. Usually sokn or sogn indicates a smaller parish within a clerical district. But changes happened with time. What was once just a parish in a larger district might later also be the clerical district. Yes, in these censuses the place of birth is almost always the parish or clerical district name. It's like asking me where I was born - I would respond with the county and state. I'm sure the census had instructions for what information was to be recorded.
Some of the old Norwegian farms in MY family history were clusters of houses, cottages and other buildings that actually were larger that any village or tiny hamlet they lived near after emigrating to the US midwest. In family stories passed down they became 'villages' too, but they were farms.
I can't answer detailed questions about Lista and the area - I've never studied that particular area or its records. There do appear to be at least two different books about the history (and possibly including some genealogy of the various residents) of Lista. "Slekter fra Lista: slekten Meberg og tilknyttede slektsgrener", by David Johannes Meberg; "Listaboka", 2 volumes by Kåre Rudjord. (I've wanted to see Norwegian books like these for other areas where my own ancestors lived - I've borrowed them through the Inter-Library Loan program from my local public library.)
Thank you I didn't know that I would be able to obtain Norwegian books through the Inter-Library loan and that LM stood for Lister Mandal - too obvious - I should have figured it out myself. Thanks for your time
from Lista ,Sakarisdtr. 1862-1939
Posted - 02/08/2005 : 15:13:25
