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edr
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 Posted - 18/01/2006 : 04:15:23
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One of my ancestors, a certain Ole Olsen, lived in Løten, Hedmark, from around 1780 until around 1840. The only documentation I have found for him is his marriage in April 1812 in the Løten parish register (Ministerialbok). It lists his name, the farm he lived on, and the fact that he was born in Elverum. The Løten parish books at that time did not record the groom's age or his father's full name. I have also located the birth records for a couple of his children (born in 1812 and 1832). I have not yet found his death recorded, but am hopeful that I will eventually find it -- and from that I should be able to get the approximate year of his birth. I do know that his wife was born in 1786.
I would like to track down the date and place in Elverum of Ole Olsen's birth, and his parents.
However, the parish books in Løten and Elverum at this time did not contain the Innflyttede and Utflyttede (arrivals and departures). Nor did they record the place of birth, in the confirmation lists. Does anyone have advice on how to proceed? In particular, I'd be interested in suggestions of what to do in case I am not able to locate his death record in Løten.
This would be easier if he had a name that was less common that "Ole Olsen"! |
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Jo Anne Sadler
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/01/2006 : 18:58:54
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While church records are the most accurate source of information, the bygedeboks/farm books are a great resource. This organization should be able to help you:
http://www.nhohlag.org/
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edr
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Posted - 19/01/2006 : 00:08:47
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Before I forget, let me say what a great resource this web site is. The people here share a wealth of information. My second cousin and I met here (we didn't know each other before) while researching our common ancestors!
Thank you for your help. I am viewing microfilms of the parish books at my local LDS family history center, and they have the Løten bygdebok available on microfiche. I ordered it but it hasn't arrived yet.
I searched the digitalarkivet but unfortunately have not been able to find anything that is useful for this Ole Olsen.
If anyone is interested in researching Ole Olsen's origins, here is what I know so far:
My ancestors Herman Olsen and Pettrine Eriksdatter emigrated to Wisconsin in June of 1866, from Løten kommune, Hedmark. In the 1865 census for Løten they were living at the Ringnæs nordre farm. (All places mentioned here are in Løten unless stated otherwise.)
Herman and Pettrine were married on July 15, 1863. At that time, Herman's residence was Imset Ødegaard and Pettrine's was Hovind. According to the matrikkel databases, Imset-Ødegaard was also known as Ringnæs-Ødegaard. It is across the road from Ringnæs nordre.
I have found some information about Pettrine's family, but at the moment I've been concentrating on Herman's.
Herman was confirmed in 1846. He was born on August 12, 1831, at Imset-Ødegaard. His parents were Ole Olsen and Hanna Hansdatter. The 1838 matrikkel listed Ole Olsen as the owner of Ringnæs Ødegaard. This person could have been Ole's father, an older brother, or an unrelated person.
I believe that Herman's parents were married on April 20, 1812. At that time Ole's residence was Ommang (spelled as "Aammen" in the church records) and Hanna was living at Ringnæs Rønningen. The marriage record says that Ole was born in Elverum. On November 4, 1812 they had a son, Ole, and their residence was then Ringnæs Ødegaard.
I have not checked the years between 1812 and 1832 for more of Herman's siblings, but expect there are some.
I think the connection between this family and the Ringnæs farm goes back to 1803, when Hanna's older brother, Ole Hansen, got married. Ole Hansen's residence was then Ringnæs Ødegaard.
Hanna and her family appear in the 1801 Løten census living at the Tomter farm. Hanna's mother, Lisbet Eriksdatter, had remarried a man named Jens Christensen.
Hanna was baptized on September 17, 1786, at Skramstad farm. Her father, Hans Olsen, had died 10 days before the baptism. Hanna's brother, Ole, was baptized on October 5, 1777, at Aarsrud. |
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edr
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Posted - 19/01/2006 : 15:25:11
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I narrowed down the possibilities from the 1801 Løten / Leuthen census. On Ommang farm there is an Ole Olsen who would be about the right age as the one I'm seaching for. If someone has access to films or transcripts of Elverum kirkeboks 1780 - 1800, could you see if there are birth records that match any of this family?
Child name = Ole, Year = 1786+-, Father = Ole Olsen, Mother = Lisbet Erichsdtr [This is "the" Ole I'm looking for.]
Child = Engebret, Year = 1788+-, Parents = same.
Child = Kierstie, Year = 1791+-, Parents = same.
Child = Zille, Year = 1795+-, Parents = same.
Child = Simen, Year = 1799+-, Parents = same.
Thanks in advance! |
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DALB
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Posted - 19/01/2006 : 19:28:00
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If you are looking for your Ole, to be born in Elverum, this may not be the family you are looking for.
The parents listed from the 1801 census were married in Løiten
6 Jan 1785 Ole Olsen Noklebye & Lisbet Eriksd
All of the children were born in Løiten.
17 Apr 1785 Ole at Jevnager
20 Jan 1788 Engebret at Heggen
30 Jan 1791 Kirsti at Hokstad
9 June 1793 Simon at Omang
- deceased 10 June 1795 Simon Olsen Omangstuen 2
13 Mar 1796 Sille at Omangstuen
21 Apr 1799 Simon at Heggen u Omang
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edr
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Posted - 19/01/2006 : 21:04:44
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| Thank you for checking. This certainly looks like the wrong family. I'll keep searching. |
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DALB
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Posted - 19/01/2006 : 21:29:57
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This may well be your connection to Elverum.
Marriage in Elverum
1806 8 Apr *Ole Olsen Hagen & Marthe Jensd. Damen (assume she died before 1812)
- no children's births found -
Løiten marriage - 20 April 1812
Enkm *Ole Olsen Dammen Elverum & Hanna Hansd
Children:
1812 8 Nov Ole at Roystadodeggaard - born 4 Nov
1815 3 June Lisbet at Imset
1818 5 Apr Inger Marie at Imset odegaard
1824 3 Feb Severin at Imset odegaard
1831 12 Aug *Hermand at Odegaard
Elverum - birth - 1782 21 July Ole to Ole Amundsen Hagen
Marriage of Ole & Sophie
28 Dec 1759 Ole Amundsen Haugen & Sophie Haagensd Biolset
All of these children were born to Ole Amundsen Haugen / Hagen
1761 13 Sept Marte at Haugen
1763 27 Feb Anne "
1764 8 Apr Jens "
1766 9 Nov Amund "
1768 20 Mar Marthe "
1770 11 Mar Anne "
1771 22 Dec Haagen "
1773 9 Apr Amund "
1775 28 May Jens Hagen
1777 12 Jan Olea "
1779 27 June Haagen "
1782 21 July *Ole to Ole Amundsen Hagen
Death - 1795 4 Feb Ole Amundsen Hagen 58 yrs 2 mo.
1801 - Hagen farm - Ole Olsen 19, shoemaker, along with his mother Sophie Haagensdatter, sister Olia and his brother Amund and family - who is farming Hagen
Click here: 1801-telling for 0427 Elverum
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f10427&gardpostnr=17&merk=17#ovre |
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edr
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Posted - 20/01/2006 : 08:54:46
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Thank you very much! This looks like a promising candidate.
With all due appreciation for your research, I still need to find something that will make it *likely* that the Løten and Elverum Ole Olsen's are the same. I will concentrate on: 1) Locating his date of death in the Løten record -- from this I'll know if he was born in or close to 1782; 2) Searching the Elverum parish birth records for any other Ole Olsens in 1782, and try to account for what they were all doing in 1812. If that checks out, and I hope it will, I'll be satisfied they are the same.
I am grateful that you identified the word "Enkemand" in the Løten marriage record of 1812. I have been looking at this entry in microfilms of both the Minister and Klokker boks the past few days, and I could not figure out what the word was. I had never seen a capital "E" written that way.
Another thing I noticed in the books is that I think the "Dammen" in the 1812 marriage record should really be read as "Oammen". In both books it looks like a "D", but I have seen "O" written that way in these books -- particularly in the abbreviation for "October". There is a farm named "Oammen" that occurs regularly in these records, usually it is written with a plainer "O". I can find only a very small number of farms that start with the letter "D" in either Løten or Elverum, and none of them are close to "Dammen".
The "Damen" in the Elverum marriage record of 1806 is probably not a place name. I think it might mean "the lady" (dame + n), which could indicate that Marthe Jensd was older or of different status than Ole, or maybe a widow (though in that case it should say Enke). Most marriage records I've seen refer to the bride as "Pigen", so this "Damen" probably has some signficance. This makes me think that she might be this person:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f10427&gardpostnr=26&personpostnr=1027&merk=1027#ovre
Schiefstad Øvre, the farm she lived on, is very close to Hagen, where Ole Olsen was from.
Again, thanks so much for your help. |
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DALB
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Posted - 20/01/2006 : 17:36:16
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Death - Løiten 9 Sept 1859 - Ole Olsen Imsetodegaard 81 (these ages are often wrong)
It may be good to verify the Elverum film death records to see if there was a death of a Marthe Jensd between 1806 and 1812 and if there is a farm name and age listed. They sometimes indicate whose wife she is. It could rule out Ole Olsen Hagen born 1782.
There are several Marthe Jensd in 1801.
One is at the Hagen farm, age 12 - a little young, but could be married at age 17 in 1806
Another is age 15, at Biølseth, which is the same farm as Ole Amundsen Hagen's wife came from. Could be a connection.
1865 census indicates that there is a farm Dammen in Elverum. In 1801 it may have been part of another farm.
374 4 96 Fossum Elverum Elverum L 4a Elverums Leier, fra Fol 4 til Slutn (undtagen Rønningen Fol. 5). L 4b Elverums Leir fra Begyndelsen til Fol 9 og Baklund Fol 11. L 4c Elverums Leir fra Begyndelsen til Fol 2 (Broborg) %fra% Fol 3 til Jernbanestationen Dammen 79 2
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edr
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Posted - 20/01/2006 : 18:12:14
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Thanks once more for finding Ole's death. His approx age in 1859 is in the ballpark. I'll follow up by looking for the details of Marthe Jensdatter's details in the Elverum film, and looking for other Ole Olsens in the Elverum births.
I have to retract my speculation about the "D" in Dammen really being an O. Sometimes a D is just a D. I wasn't searching the matrikkel databse correctly: I only searched the "main farm" field and neglected to also search the "sub farm" field. Sure enough, there is a Dammen subfarm of Oppegard in Løten. Do you think the 1812 Løten marriage record means "Ole Olsen from Dammen in Elverum", or "Ole Olsen living at Dammen (Løten), born in Elverum"? -- or is it unclear what was meant?
The 1838 farm list for Elverum doesn't contain a "Dammen" or "Damen", but by 1886 there are 3 Dammen subfarms -- as you found in the 1865 census. |
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nagkitten
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Posted - 26/03/2009 : 22:14:05
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| Looking for Ole Olesson born in Elverum, daughter gurine H Olesson (Birth 1862 Hedmark), wife Johanna Nelson. thank you |
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eibache
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Posted - 26/03/2009 : 22:45:54
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Ole Olesen and Johanne Nilsdatter with their children, among which is Gurine, in 1865
Ole Olsen and Johanne Nilsdatter married Dec 28 1852, they were both 26 years old. Oles father was Ole Iversen Riisberget. Johannes father was Nils Engebretsen.
Ole Olsens baptismal record is #142
he was born June 29 1826 in Vaaler Parish. His parents were Ole Iversen and Marte Mortensdatter Riisberget.
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Edited by - eibache on 26/03/2009 23:12:33 |
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A problem searching Hedmark parish registers
