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jungfigh
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Malta
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 Posted - 07/12/2013 : 05:57:19
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Although I haven't posted in the past few days I haven't been Idle. Going over previous ground, making further telephone calls to Parish Councils, etc. All negative.
I find it extremely frustrating that a 'simple' thing such as establishing Cristian's date and place of birth is proving so difficult. All of you who have assisted in this task are gems.
Thank-you..!
He will be 'found'..! |
DL. ;o) Malta. G.C. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2013 : 13:36:21
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Originally posted by JaneC
A candidate from Family Search website
Johannes Stromme
Last Place of Residence: Stromme, Chrsand., Norway
Event Date: 09 Oct 1907
Age: 25y
Nationality: Norway, Scand.
Departure Port: Christiansand
Arrival Port: New York
Gender: Male
Marital Status: S
Citizenship Status:
Ship Name: C. F. Tietgen
This man was going to his brother Anders Strømme in Tacoma and his father was Ole Syvertson Strømme, so very unlikely to be Ananias. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/12/2013 : 22:27:31
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You are right.
The Probate registers from Møre og Romsdal online ends late in the 1800 link
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2013 : 23:07:39
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Today I've been in contact again with one of the editors of the Volda farm history books. And he forwarded me to one of the descendants of Alfred Straume, Kristian's younger brother.
The descendant was happy for my contact, because he has been pondering about these brothers for years. His thoughts is that the first editor (Aarviknes) mixed up on the brothers; probably Daniel Johannes og Ananias Johannes. (But he later says it could be Kristian and Ananias...)
And that the fault had been copied over to the new volume.
It was only one of Alfreds daughters (Kari) that remembered the marriage in England (or rather "Shetland or Orkney islands" ?), but she was already quite ill when the book came out.
She said her uncle drowned on the sea when she was a little girl, and that they had received a letter from the widow, in english, asking for help to the children whom she now was alone with.
But she was quite sure that the book had it wrong, she ment that it was Ananias that died in America. The story about him is that he was heading home to Norway, left a train on the homeward trip, and was hit by a crossing train in the next lane.
As they had understood it, the English family should have been a fishing family on the islands, and that he drowned while fishing. The people who received the letter was Daniel and his second wife Synnøve.
The editors/authors I've been in contact with regarding this is Arnfinn Kjelland and Olav Myklebust. The information they had on this family was copied directly from the Volume made by Aarviknes. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 08/12/2013 01:11:19 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/12/2013 : 00:24:31
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A brother; blacksmith Per Mathias Danielsen Strømme b. 1885 emigrated to America on 18 Mar 1909.
Peder Stromma b.1886 arrived Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada on 02 Apr 1909 on the Corsican.
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
BORDER CROSSINGS & PASSPORTS
NAME: Peder Matia Strome
BIRTH: 1886 - Norway
DEPARTURE: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
ARRIVAL: 02 Apr 1909 - St John, New Brunswick, Canada
#6189
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Edited by - jwiborg on 08/12/2013 00:38:21 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2013 : 02:07:56
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Name: Peder Strømme
Death Date: 15 Jun 1967
Burial Date: 20 Jun 1967
Burial Place: Ålesund, "Møre og Romsdal", Norway
Age: 81
Birth Date: 10 Oct 1885
http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/index.php
from the Volda-Soga:
Peder Matias Strømme, b. 10 Oct 1885, d. ?, married to Petra Hellandshamn, lived at Ålesund.
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Edited by - JaneC on 08/12/2013 03:32:01 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2013 : 03:13:53
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Name: Gustav Strømme
Death Date: 20 Mar 1966
Burial Date: 25 Mar 1966
Burial Place: Molde, "Møre og Romsdal", Norway
Age: 77
Birth Date: 8 Jun 1888
from the Volda-Soga:
Gustav Strømme, b. 08 Jun 1888, d. ?, married 06 Oct 1914 to (Lovise) Bergljot Antonsd. Schei from Mosjøen, d. 15 Jul 1890, d. ?, lived in Molde.
Name: Robert Strømme
Death Date: 4 Nov 1976
Burial Date: 9 Nov 1976
Burial Place: Ålesund, "Møre og Romsdal", Norway
Age: 82
Birth Date: 10 Jul 1894
http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/bilde.php?id=3114176
from the Volda-Soga:
Robert Johan Strømme, b. 09 Jul 1894, d. ?, married to Ida Sefland from Ålesund, lived at Ålesund.
Name: Alfred Strømme
Death Date: 12 Nov 1972
Burial Date: 16 Nov 1972
Burial Place: Volda, "Møre og Romsdal", Norway
Age: 75
Birth Date: 13 Nov 1896
from the Volda-Soga:
Alfred Strømme, b. 13 Nov 1896, see Naustvegen 2, Øyra (16-2)
All of the above from Ancestry.com index of
Norway Burial Index, DIS-Norge, 1700-2010
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Edited by - JaneC on 08/12/2013 03:33:59 |
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2013 : 11:59:29
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Good morning Jackie,
Negative results from our Son on the information you supplied. |
DL. ;o) Malta. G.C. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/12/2013 : 15:13:50
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What is left to search for in the UK; in order to locate Cristian Tompson's date of birth?
Did he apply for naturalisation as a British citizen?
Any probate register? Death record? Burial record?
Kristian Elias Danielssen Strømme in question was born 02 Nov 1882 in Volda, Møre & Romsdal, Norway.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2013 : 16:51:40
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from jkmarler, posted above:
Name: Dina Amanda Bolsø
Death Date: 18 Feb 1991
Burial Date: 25 Feb 1991
Burial Place: Molde, "Møre og Romsdal", Norway
Age: 91
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1899
[DIS-Norge, 1700-2010]
From the Volda-Soga book, information from it furnished by jwiborg: Dina Amanda, b. 23 Nov 1899, d. ?,
married 28 Jul 1918 to Peder Anderssen Orvik from Bolsøy, b. 1893, d. ?, lived at Fugelset in Molde
Volda i Volda churchbook, 1891-1905, page 271, entry #33
Died, Ungkarl Arbeider xxx xxx Volsted Daniel Andreas Danielsen, 06 December 1898, buried 10 Dec,
born 01 May 1878, fødested: Straume, bopæl: Kile, Tdreng (tjenesdreng?/laborer?)
from the Volda-Soga book, information from it furnished by jwiborg:
Daniel Andreas [Danielssen Strømme] b. 01 May 1878, d. 06 Dec 1898, worker at a mechanical workshop
Seeking Ananias Johannes Danielssen Strømme (b. 13 Feb 1880) in America, possibly Tacoma, Pierce, Washington, ca 1910 US census.
I plan to check out an Andrew J Stromme in Tacoma records, wife Josephine, 1609 S 19th Street, son Arthur died 1913, unless someone already ruled out Andrew.
Descendant in this family told the ever-amazing jwiborg that Ananias Johannes died when "he was heading home to Norway,
left a train on the homeward trip, and was hit by a crossing train in the next lane."
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Edited by - JaneC on 08/12/2013 18:13:57 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2013 : 18:12:41
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Attempting to squeeze every smidgeon of information from the story in 1971Volda-Soga II, page 162, this is exactly what it says:
"2. Annanias Johannes, f. 1879, gift og budde i England.
3. Kristian Elias, f. 1882, reiste til Amerika, d. ved ei ulykke i 1918."
So one possible combination in the mixup is that each phrase after the year belongs in whole to the other person, a la:
Annanias Johannes, f 1879, reiste til Amerika, d. ved ei ulykke i 1918. &
Kristian Elias, f. 1882, gift og budde i England.
If Annanias / Ananias moved to US, it had to have been after the 1900 Norwegian census and before the 1910 Norwegian census. So he should be somewhere in US in 1910.
I have checked 2 newspaper sites, Chronicling America and genealogybank.com looking for each part of Annanias' name with the added text of "train accident." While there were plenty of train accidents of the sort Alfred's descendant mention (hit by cross traffic) I didn't find any which appeared to be about a person containing the name Ananias, Johannes, Danielson, Stromme.
If Peder went to America to visit his sibling in Tacoma, coming east from Tacoma means the Great Northern and Northern Pacific US railways most likely to Chicago. But after Chicago I'm not sure which lines are most likely. And coming east on Canadian Pacific is also a possibility.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/12/2013 : 19:35:47
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| I will try to find out more about where he died. It looks like both brothers died at an early age. One in England while fishing, the other in an train accident. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2013 : 20:05:12
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Thanks jwiborg. I have nothing new and have been busy.
Still not found: Kristian Elias Danielsen Stromme born 02 Nov 1882 in Volden
living in England with wife and children
(or in possibly the Shetland Islands or the Orkney Islands),
who may have died at sea on a fishing boat and with a possible date of death 1920;
seeking a candidate who is not "Derek's" Cristian.
The family story that the widow wrote to the family in Norway (in English), seeking help, as she was left alone with children to raise, suggests she not Norwegian. If found in England or Scotland, Kristian Elias Danielsen Stromme can be ruled out.
If he's NOT found....
The Orkney Islands refers to an archipelago in northern Scotland.
The Shetland Islands refers to a subarctic archipelago of Scotland.
I sense a gut feeling on the part of the group that the candidate Jackie found, Kristian Elias Danielsen Stromme, might indeed be Derek's Cristian.
Strikiing that Jan Peter said the family (one person anyway) has "been wondering about these brothers for years," from the Norway side,
and meanwhile Derek is wondering too, from the England side.
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Christain Tromm
