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jungfigh
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jungfigh
Senior member
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326 Posts |
 Posted - 22/09/2013 : 09:47:20
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Originally posted by jwiborg
This is a challenge! 
Donald Tompson is for sure not a Norwegian name. I wonder what "Donald" could have been in Norway?
Did Cristian Tompson apply for naturalisation as a British citizen?
Jan Peter
It certainly is Jan Peter being made a lot more easier for me by the fantastic amount of input from you good people. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/09/2013 : 11:12:06
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/09/2013 : 12:17:08
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It will be hard to identify Cristian Tompson 100% without a date or place of birth. Were could that be found?
In the application for naturalisation as a British citizen at the Ramsgate courthouse?
The deathrecord from 1920 could possibly contain some information?
Christening records for his children could also possibly tell something?
"Donald" could be Didrik, Daniel or Ditlef in Norway.
There is one Didrik Andreas Thomsen in census-1885 for Bergen.
A son Didrik Thomsen born 1885 is listed, but no Cristian born ab. 1883 in the census. Besides, he is a painter apprentice, and not a carpenter.
Being a sailor, his origin should be from the coastal area of Norway.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 22/09/2013 13:21:35 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 03:05:50
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jungfigh
Senior member
Malta
326 Posts |
Posted - 23/09/2013 : 11:40:47
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Originally posted by jwiborg
It will be hard to identify Cristian Tompson 100% without a date or place of birth. Were could that be found?
In the application for naturalisation as a British citizen at the Ramsgate courthouse?
The deathrecord from 1920 could possibly contain some information?
Christening records for his children could also possibly tell something?
"Donald" could be Didrik, Daniel or Ditlef in Norway.
There is one Didrik Andreas Thomsen in census-1885 for Bergen.
A son Didrik Thomsen born 1885 is listed, but no Cristian born ab. 1883 in the census. Besides, he is a painter apprentice, and not a carpenter.
Being a sailor, his origin should be from the coastal area of Norway.
Jan Peter
An interesting point here Jan Peter.:
After comments made that Donald is not really a Norwegian name I searched the English census for 1871 and came up with the posting below.
Donald Thompson
Age: 22 ... Born In: 1849 ... Relation: Private ...
Profession: Private Royal Mariner ... Birth County: Scotland ... Birth Place: Scotland ...
Address: Royal Marine Barracks ... Parish: Lower Walmer ... Area: Eastry ...
The name Donald is truly of Scot's origin. The age given is about right to be Christian's Dad. The area (Royal Marine Barracks) was not far from Ramsgate. And his profession is a Private Royal Mariner (Royal Marine).
Could it be possible that Donald being a' sea-going soldier' visited Norway whilst H.M.Ship bound...formed a liaison with a local girl.. Christian being the result..? This is purely hypothetical but possible.
A young 20 year old Norwegian going to Ramgate (to seek his Father)..? and marrying a local girl.
Another thread to this enigma. The answer is there to be found.
Kent 1871 Census |
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jungfigh
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 11:50:16
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Are either of the two witnesses to the Cristian's and Maud's wedding Norwegian? John William (Anderson? maybe?) and Clara Agnes Johnson?
Jackie,
I have also considered what you suggest.
As being a Geneaologist yourself you will appreciate the Parish records in England are very concise, although, as yet, not all have been placed on line. The 'old fashioned telephone calls' will have to be made to some Parishes to assist me. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 15:20:40
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Christian Tompsen born ca 1883 in Norway.
Father Donald Tompsen.
Most of the em. kept the intials; D. T.
Traditional Norwegian naming practice; Christians father was Donald (Daniel, Dankert, David, Didrik, Ditlef, Dyre + some rare names)
If Christians father had some of the names in the parenthesis as his 1. name Christian was bapt. Christian Danielsen, Christian Dankertsen, Christian Davidsen, Christian Didriksen etc.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 16:31:39
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In the 1911 England census transcription there are 127 Norway born people listed as residing in Kent. There are only 2 in Ramsgate, Cristian and this one Edith Tinniswood age 27:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XW6W-8W8
Perhaps there's a connection? |
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David Yaw
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 17:56:26
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Are either of the two witnesses to the Cristian's and Maud's wedding Norwegian? John William (Anderson? maybe?) and Clara Agnes Johnson?
I read the male witness as John William ADAMS. There are credible matches for John W Adams, son of timber merchant John Adams in the 1891 and 1901 UK censuses. John W and family were living at St Mildred Grange Road, Ramsgate in 1911. I reckon we probably now know where Christian was working as a sawyer labourer as per his occupation in the 1911 census.
There are a couple of contemporary records for the other witness Clara Agnes Johnson - but none that I could find with any connection to Ramsgate or Kent. |
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David Yaw
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 18:22:33
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Originally posted by jungfigh
Below are the details of my maternal Grandfathers death.
It is believed he travelled to UK (Ramsgate, Kent) at the turn of the 19th century from an unknown Norwegian location. It is also known that he fought on the Western Front in the Great War as a gunner in the Royal Artillery.
I have been told that Tromm translates into English, or was changed to Thompson. There is also a memorial plaque dedicated to 'Campanula' in the Seaman's Church, Royal Harbour Ramsgate. Interestingly my Grandfather's name is shewn : Christine Thompson.
Any information would be sincerely appreciated in helping me find my Norwegian relatives.
Name: THOMPSON, CHRISTAIN
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Engineer
Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine
Unit Text: Steam Trawler "Campanula" (Ramsgate)
Age: 37
Date of Death: 28/01/1920
Additional information: Husband of Maude Oliva Thompson (nee Fast), of 6, Florence Terrace, Cannonbury Rd., Ramsgate. Born in Norway.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Derek, can you please clarify the source of the info that Christian served in the Royal Artillery on the western front. My guess is he would have been awarded a medal for service in this campaign - or is the implication his medal card was one of those destroyed by the unfortunate bomb on the records building ??
And do you have any steer on when he joined the Merchant Marine and the vessel he was serving on at time of death ?? I can't find a record for him among the Norwegians who were awarded the Merchant Marine Medal and/or Ribbon for service in WW1.
So might he have served in the army until the end of the war in Nov 1918, and only then taken up service in the merchant marine ?? |
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David Yaw
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 18:33:26
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Originally posted by David Yaw
quote:
Originally posted by jungfigh
Below are the details of my maternal Grandfathers death.
It is believed he travelled to UK (Ramsgate, Kent) at the turn of the 19th century from an unknown Norwegian location. It is also known that he fought on the Western Front in the Great War as a gunner in the Royal Artillery.
I have been told that Tromm translates into English, or was changed to Thompson. There is also a memorial plaque dedicated to 'Campanula' in the Seaman's Church, Royal Harbour Ramsgate. Interestingly my Grandfather's name is shewn : Christine Thompson.
Any information would be sincerely appreciated in helping me find my Norwegian relatives.
Name: THOMPSON, CHRISTAIN
Initials: C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Engineer
Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine
Unit Text: Steam Trawler "Campanula" (Ramsgate)
Age: 37
Date of Death: 28/01/1920
Additional information: Husband of Maude Oliva Thompson (nee Fast), of 6, Florence Terrace, Cannonbury Rd., Ramsgate. Born in Norway.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Derek, can you please clarify the source of the info that Christian served in the Royal Artillery on the western front. My guess is he would have been awarded a medal for service in this campaign - or is the implication his medal card was one of those destroyed by the unfortunate bomb on the records building ??
And do you have any steer on when he joined the Merchant Marine and the vessel he was serving on at time of death ?? I can't find a record for him among the Norwegians who were awarded the Merchant Marine Medal and/or Ribbon for service in WW1.
So might he have served in the army until the end of the war in Nov 1918, and only then taken up service in the merchant marine ??
Derek, apologies - ignore this post. I just re-read your earlier post about this |
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David Yaw
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 18:43:25
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Originally posted by jkmarler
In the 1911 England census transcription there are 127 Norway born people listed as residing in Kent. There are only 2 in Ramsgate, Cristian and this one Edith Tinniswood age 27:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XW6W-8W8
Perhaps there's a connection?
I checked this out a little further. The 1911 census states she is an actress, and a naturalised British subject. Sounds like an odd surname though for a Norwegian - maybe she anglicised it on naturalisation. I searched the UK National Archives to see if there is a naturalisation record for her - none.
Neither could I find one for Christian T(h)ompson - 1911 census merely states "resident", not "naturalised" - nor did I find one for Donald T(h)ompson. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 19:09:34
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Just a thought, but Tinniswood could be Tønnevold, a farmname in Fjære (Grimstad), Aust-Agder.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/09/2013 : 20:02:01
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Ellis Island record 1916 for an Edith Tinniswood, actress, age 26, journeying from Liverpool to New York, final destination Los Angeles, California, USA; going to sister Evelyn Tinniswood in Los Angeles; nearest relative in England is George Tinniswood, brother.
O. T. Tønnevold had a shipping firm. |
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