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jhepper
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Kåarto
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jwiborg
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 Posted - 03/05/2007 : 00:22:34
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Tobias Hansen
Born 19 Feb 1832
Christening 24 FEB 1833, Sokndal, Rogaland
Parents: Hans Torstensen & Ane Evensdr
Farm: Store Refsland
Source: Rogaland fylke, Sokndal i Sokndal, Ministerialbok nr. A 7.1 (1826-1842), Fødte og døpte 1833, p 48
Rachel Berntsdr
Born 01 JUL 1832
Christening 08 JUL 1832, Sokndal, Rogaland
Parents: Bernt Pettersen & Rachel Amundsdr
Farm: Mong
Source: Rogaland fylke, Sokndal i Sokndal, Ministerialbok nr. A 7.1 (1826-1842), Fødte og døpte 1832, p 42
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jhepper
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 01:47:12
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WOW! Thanks so much to both of you for the info!
That's really interesting about the 1865 census. Do you know what time of year it was taken? I believe the family left for the US in 1865. That's definitely the correct family given the younger children.
As for the original record, any clue what the dates are over on the right side (28 July 1838 & 1 Oct 1836)? |
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Hopkins
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jwiborg
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 10:23:31
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quote:
Originally posted by jhepper
Do you know what time of year it was taken?
The census is from January 1st, 1866.
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Kåarto
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jwiborg
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 13:46:16
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Not just perhaps... 
Here is the Passenger list for the ship Urania , 1867:
Captain Z. Fredriksen, Departure Stavanger May 6 1867, Arrival Quebec June 17 1867, Source NAC C-4522 list 44
Tobias Hansen Berglid (34) M countryman* - Soggendal, Berge*
Rakkel !! Bergliod* (34) F wife - Soggendal (Berentsd.)*
Christian Tobiass.* Bergliod* (12) M son - Soggendal*
Bernt Tobiass.* Bergliod* (10) M son* - Soggendal*
Anne Sofie Tobiasd.* Bergliod* (8) F daughter - Soggendal*
Hansenius Tobiass.* Bergliod* (5) M son - Soggendal*
Johanne Pedersdtr Bergliod (26) F girl - Soggendal*
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Kåarto
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 18:27:42
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The records online stop at 1826 (temporary), so for that reason I couldn´t find Rachel´s parents or grandparents, but it might be Bernt Pettersen in 1801 census living on farm Næsvaag.
(keep it as a possibiliy for a later lo-up, but these three brothers was the only Pettersen´s in the 1801 census):
Berent Pettersen age 8, two brothers: Rasmus and Petter Johannes, Parents: Petter Johannes_brynilsen, age 40, Pilot and Cotter without land and Sigri Rasmusdatter age 51.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=f11111&gardpostnr=85&personpostnr=2018&merk=2019#ovre
So for that reason, person nr 2003 on the same page on farm Næsvaag could well be Rachel´s mother. Rachel Amundsen, age 8 and four siblings.
Parents: Amund Jensen age 52, married 2. time, free farmer and wife Anne Aasmundsdatter age 40.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 19:34:32
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Census-1835, Store Refsland, Sokndal:
Hans Torsteinsen (55)
Anne Evensdatter (45)
Even Hansen (25)
Engel Cecilie Larsdat. (27)
Andreas Evensen (1)
Tønnes Hansen (22)
Peder Hansen (12)
Hans Tob. H: (9)
Petter Hansen (3)
Tobias does not look to be listed...
Census-1835, Mong under Gyland, Sokndal:
Thorsten Svensen (36)
Inger M. Omundsd. (30)
Rakel M. Torstensd. (13)
Ole A. do. (10)
Svend do. (7)
Jacob T. do. (5)
Ane (2)
Bernt P. Johannessen (45)
Rakel Amundsd. (47)
Petter J. Berntsen (13)
Amund do. (11)
Ane S. do. (8)
Rakel do. (3)
Mouritz Aslaksen (20)
Guri Gullicksd. (33)
Karen Oline Omundsd. (5)
Grethe Aslaksd. (17)
Gabriel Omundsen (30)
Ingeborg E. Svendsd. (25)
Omund Ingebretsen (60)
Karen Olsdatter (60)
Source
Hans Torsteinsen would be born ca 1780, Anne Evensdatter ca 1790.
Bernt Pettersen ca 1790, Rachel Amundsdr ca 1788.
Servant Hans Tostensen (19) on the Miaasund farm in Bakke parish, Vest-Agder.
Possibly Anna Evensdtr (8) on the Giendahl Ydre farm in Bakke.
Bakke parish is today under Flekkefjord municipality.
Hans Torstensen & Anna Evensdr
Marriage: 10 JUN 1807, Bakke, Vest-Agder
Bernt Pettersen & Rachel Amundsdr
Marriage: 15 OCT 1820, Sokndal, Rogaland.
I agree it must be Bernt & Rachel living on the Næsvaag farm in census-1801; Bernt is christened 18 SEP 1791, and is the son of Petter Johannesen_brynilsen & Sigri Rasmusdtr, Rachel is christened 12 MAY 1793, and is the daughter of Amund Jensen & Anne Aasmundsdtr.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 20:56:20
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Thanks,
because of this information I exchange "keep it as a posibilty"
to most likey.
Touching,
two childhood friends getting married.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 03/05/2007 21:50:41 |
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eibache
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Posted - 03/05/2007 : 20:58:46
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| Looking at the marriage record I would like to point out that the column to the right of the names has the heading "Brudgommens Føde- og Opholdssted. Brudens Fødested" (The bridegrooms place of birth and residence. The brides place of residence.) - therefore for the groom: Store-Refsland. Opholdssted Berglund - for the bride Mong. |
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jhepper
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 03:01:39
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WOW. Once again, you all are amazing! Thanks so much for the info, links, and comments.
Not to abuse your generosity, but if anyone can help me find more info on these individuals, I'd appreciate it:
-Ole Torkelson (Americanized last name). According to different sources, he was either born in 1860 or 1861. One source says the date was Oct 23, 1960. (I haven't been able to evaluate the authenticity of the sources yet.) One source lists his birthplace as Richarderi, Konnsberg, NOR. (I'm assuming "Konnsberg" is actually "Kongsberg"?)
-Ingeborg Kittelsdtr Evensen. That's her last name according to her obituary. The obituary also says she was born 23 Aug 1862 in Sigdal and her parents were Kittel and Gjertrud Evensen.
Ole and Ingeborg were apparently married in 1887 (one source says May 4, 1887) but I have no idea where they were married. According to the family story, they left for the US immediately after getting married. The 1900 U.S. census also indicates they emigrated in 1887.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 09:05:11
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Hi,
Ingeborg Kittilsdatter Evensen age 4 (she tok both her parents last name in USA. Evensen-Evensdr).
The family lived with her parents on farm Kjærnsli in Krødsherad local parish - Sigdal main parish in Buskerud county (the same county as Kongsberg town).
Two sisters, Sigrid and Kari, and a house-maid, 17 year old Sigrid Stenersdatter.
Parents: Kittil Evensen age 32, Cotter with land, and Gjertrud Evensdr. age 29.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f60621&gardpostnr=886&personpostnr=4786&merk=4786#ovre
Ingeborg was born on cotters place Skinneseie Sep. 9. and Bap. Oct. 12. 1862 in Krødsherad church.
Godparents: Gjertru Vilhelmsd. Skinneseie, Margit Olsdr. Raaeneie, Anne Pedersdr. Herbrandsbraaten, Stener Evensen Raaeneie (Stener was house-maid Sigrid in the 1865 census father), Ole Andersen Raaen
Down page nr 49.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5882&idx_id=5882&uid=ny&idx_side=-85
Kødsherad kirke: http://www.krodsherad-menighet.no/
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Kåarto
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 10:07:30
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Kittil Evensen and Gjertru Evensdatter married April 3. 1860 in Krødsherad, bothh lived on a cotters place, Skinneseie, under farm Skinnes, Both fathers had the same name, Even Olsen(Ole, Olsen and Olsdr. was the most common name in Norway)
Best men : Nils Skinnes
Hans J. Skinnes
Couple nr 3:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5882&idx_id=5882&uid=ny&idx_side=-214
Kittil was born Nov. 7. 1835, parents: Even Olsen Lybekk og Sigrid Andresdatter
Godparents: Berit Helgesd. Ødegaarden, Ragn Reistad (farm Reistad), Eli Sondresdr, Grunnvik (Vik), Ole Eriksen Skinnes
Bap. nr 2
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1103&idx_id=1103&uid=ny&idx_side=-22
I can´t find Gjertrud´s records (my have overlooked her), but it´s likely her sister Kari who was Bap. 1835. Her parents was:
Even Olsen Skinnes og Ingeborg Nilsdr.
Perhaps Gjertru was wrong-spelled as Gunnild, b. Sep. 5. 1839, parents: Even Olsen Skinneseiet og Ingeborg Nilsdatter:
nr 41.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1103&idx_id=1103&uid=ny&idx_side=-41
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Edited by - Kåarto on 04/05/2007 11:29:41 |
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