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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 04/12/2018 : 00:36:02
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Here is the family of Ole Olsen Pramhus. and Thea Amundsdatter Pramhus. in the 1891 Census for Eidskog. Large family but the oldest child was born in 1877 so if Thea Olsen from the 1940 Census is a child of these parents and thus a sister of Inga Sofie she may have already left the nest.
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Also since Thea Amundsdatter the mother in this family was born around 1859 and Thea Olsdatter of Chicago was born around 1872 there may be a first wife involved in this family. Making Inga Sofie and Thea half-siblings.
A little more digging turns up the marriage of Ole Olsen and Thea Amundsdatter but not until Sept 15, 1877. So very unlikely that Thea Amundsdatter is the mother of Thea Olsen of Chicago.
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In fact the marriage record states that Ole Olsen was born in 1853. If so that would make him about 19 when the Thea Olsen of Chicago was supposedly born. Old enough I suppose. Also it lists him as unkarl ie bachelor, That usually means he has not been married and so if he is the father of the Thea of Chicago she would likely be born out of wed lock.
Not getting any good candidates for who was Thea Olson of Chicago. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/12/2018 : 02:28:58
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Well Torlief Olsen was living with Hans and Inga and Osmund in the 1930 Census as well.
Name: Torlief Olsen
[Torlief Oken]
Birth Year: abt 1898
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Brother-in-law
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Austin Avenue
Ward of City: 37
Block: 100
House Number: 1713
Dwelling Number: 133
Family Number: 237
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Language Spoken: Norwegian
Immigration Year: 1908
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Laborer
Industry: City Employee
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
Hans Andersen 53
Inga Andersen 49
Osmund Andersen 29
Torlief Olsen 32 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/12/2018 : 02:42:06
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And Torleif Olsen is a brother of Inga Sofie Olsdatter. He is found in the 1900 Census with the parents Ole Olsen and Thea Amundsdatter.
1900
Thus it is likely that Thea is also related in some way to this same family.
Oops, I had to correct the link |
Edited by - AntonH on 04/12/2018 03:27:39 |
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volsen
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Posted - 04/12/2018 : 03:14:19
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Thank you so much.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
And Torleif Olsen is a brother of Inga Sofie Olsdatter. He is found in the 1900 Census with the parents Ole Olsen and Thea Amundsdatter.
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Thus it is likely that Thea is also related in some way to this same family.
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volsen
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Posted - 04/12/2018 : 03:41:07
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Here he is with his sister Alma
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1910USCenIndex&indiv=try&h=112863318
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Originally posted by volsen
Thank you so much.
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
And Torleif Olsen is a brother of Inga Sofie Olsdatter. He is found in the 1900 Census with the parents Ole Olsen and Thea Amundsdatter.
1900
Thus it is likely that Thea is also related in some way to this same family.
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volsen
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2018 : 16:59:06
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Based on your death record from Ancestry, this is likely the emigration record for Torlief
Link
Here are two link to two pages from the older data base that shows the large group traveling together in 1907. Main person is Otto Henrik Olberg and his wife Anna Otillie Olberg born Ols.
Link Page One
Link Page Two
Anna Otille Olberg born Ols* is the daughter of Ole Olsen Braate and Thea Amundsdatter, found in the 1891 Census posted earlier for the daughter Inga Sofie.
1891 Again
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The large traveling party arriving in New York, Going to brother in law Olaf Olsen in Racine Wisconsin.
Minda Olsen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Minda Olsen
Arrival date: 26 Apr 1907
Birth Date: abt 1896
Birth Location Other: eidskogen
Age: 11
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: CF Tietgen |
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volsen
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Posted - 06/12/2018 : 17:43:01
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Thank you so much.
Pretty sure I found Johannes half sister
Martea Olsdr
Birth: 9 March 1868
Brandval, Hedmark, Norway
Death: 27 April 1908
Harvey, Wells, North Dakota, United States
And we found
Anton
But was curious if there was census after 1875 that might give a clue what happened to his other siblings.
Olivia Olsdr
5 January 1865
Grue Præstg, Hedmark, Norway
Maria Olsdr
14 May 1876
Brandval, Hedmark, Norway
Caroline Olsdr
10 August 1877
Brandval, Hedmark, Norway
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Based on your death record from Ancestry, this is likely the emigration record for Torlief
Link
Here are two link to two pages from the older data base that shows the large group traveling together in 1907. Main person is Otto Henrik Olberg and his wife Anna Otillie Olberg born Ols.
Link Page One
Link Page Two
Anna Otille Olberg born Ols* is the daughter of Ole Olsen Braate and Thea Amundsdatter, found in the 1891 Census posted earlier for the daughter Inga Sofie.
1891 Again
#75
The large traveling party arriving in New York, Going to brother in law Olaf Olsen in Racine Wisconsin.
Minda Olsen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Minda Olsen
Arrival date: 26 Apr 1907
Birth Date: abt 1896
Birth Location Other: eidskogen
Age: 11
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: CF Tietgen
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/12/2018 : 17:46:15
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quote:
But was curious if there was census after 1875 that might give a clue what happened to his other siblings.
Yes there is a 1891 Census that might be of some help
Use the Digitalarkivet Advanced Search to access it
Link
Click on English is it is not already there.
Click on Advance Person Search
Click on Category then Census then 1891
Scroll down and click on Geography then Østland then Hedmark or Brandval then the parish for example Eidskog
Scroll back up and enter the Individual Inforamaton of the person that you are looking for |
Edited by - AntonH on 06/12/2018 17:53:47 |
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volsen
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Posted - 07/12/2018 : 00:00:50
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Is it this one?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052734003351
It lists Karen Johannes and Karoline
I couldn't Maria anywhere.
I found this but seems unlikely it is her despite the month year birth date match.
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7602&h=45298862&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Xgf1759&_phstart=successSource
Name: Maria Olsen
[Maria Olson]
Age: 24
Birth Date: May 1876
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Brooklyn Ward 22, Kings, New York
Ward of City: 22
Street: 5th Street
House Number: 316
Sheet Number: 5
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 26
Family Number: 105
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1899
Relation to Head of House: Visitor
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Years in US: 1
Occupation: House Keeper
Months not employed: 0
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Anderson 36
Anna Anderson 38
Esther Anderson 8
Waldorf Anderson 6
Maria Olsen 24
I found this it doesn't list birth dates but seems pretty likely match since father matches and marriage date is after 1875 (which she is in but before 1891 census which she is not.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWWX-TM9
Olia Olsdr
Norway Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Lars Olsen
Spouse's Name: Olia Olsdr
Event Date: 29 Dec 1881
Event Place: Brandvold,Hedmark,Norway
Father's Name: Ole Olsen
Spouse's Father's Name: Ole Andersen
However I couldn't find her after that point. I guess I quit while I am ahead.
Thanks again greatly appreciate your help
Vickie
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
quote:
But was curious if there was census after 1875 that might give a clue what happened to his other siblings.
Yes there is a 1891 Census that might be of some help
Use the Digitalarkivet Advanced Search to access it
Link
Click on English is it is not already there.
Click on Advance Person Search
Click on Category then Census then 1891
Scroll down and click on Geography then Østland then Hedmark or Brandval then the parish for example Eidskog
Scroll back up and enter the Individual Inforamaton of the person that you are looking for
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/12/2018 : 03:45:47
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Is it this one?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052734003351
It lists Karen Johannes and Karoline
Yes that looks like it is correct. Means that Ole is dead by then. The birth years are correct or very close and the farm Bukkebakken is correct. Here is the baptism record for Karoline.
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volsen
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Posted - 07/12/2018 : 06:14:37
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I couldn't find any record for Karoline after that either. Definitely has be the family though.
Thank you again
I appreciate it
Vickie
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
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Is it this one?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052734003351
It lists Karen Johannes and Karoline
Yes that looks like it is correct. Means that Ole is dead by then. The birth years are correct or very close and the farm Bukkebakken is correct. Here is the baptism record for Karoline.
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Olia Hanson, Ole Hanson, Kongsvinger.
