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jwiborg
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 Posted - 16/07/2007 : 16:41:53
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Tosten Bergesen Uhr & Brita Olsdr Odsdr Størland
Marriage: 15 APR 1816, Fister church, Hjelmeland, Rogaland
Tosten Bergesen at the Uhr farm in census-1801.
(Spelled "Uhv", a possible typo...)
This looks to be the same Torsten in census-1865, but now with a new wife Guro Pedersdr...?
The farm Størland is spelled Staurland in census-1801 and Støfreland in census-1865.
Uhr and Størland are neighboring farms in Aardal local parish in Hjelmeland parish, Rogaland.
Ole Olsen (54) & Mari Andersdtr (50) lives at the Staurland farm in census-1801. Possible parents to a teenage girl named Britha Olsdr working as a servant on a neighboring farm? 
Some farm-related queries: Link1 Link2
The Uhr farm was transferred from Årdal to Strand in 1965. The genealogy of the farm is listed in "Folk i Strand" by Jan Alsvik
(Possible) children to Tosten Bergesen & Brita Olsdr:
Berge Torstensen, born 1817, Aardal, Rogaland
Borgille Torstensdr, born 29 JUL 1826, chr 13 AUG 1826 Uhr, Aardal, Rogaland
Brita Torstensdr, born 1831 Aardal, Rogaland
Odd Torstensen, born 1836, Aardal, Rogaland... Hmmm...? Your Odd should be born ab. 1818...
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/07/2007 19:41:14 |
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renees
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Posted - 16/07/2007 : 20:07:45
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Thank you so much Jan for this,
I think it might be them except Odd was born, according to his obituary and cemetery stone, in 1819. The obituary also had his father's last name as Bezesen but I have not been able to find such a name so maybe they just read the records wrong. Brita Olesdatter could be right because they would Americanize that as Bertha. The places Uhr and Aardel are also right. Odd/Aad and Gunhild lived in Uhr when they left for america and they were married in Aardel Church.
Thank you so much. Have a nice day.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 00:40:33
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All records show Aad/Odd born 1819, or about, but no records from his christening(the final evidence) so fare.
The next is a very promising theory Jan Peter.
Bergesen seems more likely than Bessesen. After 150 years with mostly verbal handovers via generations and names changed in USA, this was normal, and Norwegian church books as well as other public records are not faultless.
4 of these siblings, exept Eivind, are mentioned abowe
Berge Torstensen born 1817 (no records on him)
Eivind Torstensen born Sept. 25. 1821, church book Aardal/Hjelmeland Klokkerbok nr B2 1816-41, page 14
Borgilla Torstensdr born July 29.1826, same church book, page 31
Britta Torstensdr born February 4. 1831, same as abowe, page 51.
Odd born 1846 (no record on him)
Then to the records that must contain a wrong spelling as fare as I can see:
All the siblings has Brita/Britta Olsdr Uhr as their mother, but when it come to the father: both Eivind and Bergille has Berge Bergesen as their father, but Britta has Torstein Bergesen.
At least these look ups showed us that Gunnild Eivindsdr had a brother, Eivind Torgrimsen Ingvaldstad born July 29. 1826
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15788&idx_id=15788&uid=ny&idx_side=-76
Ur/Uhr in Aardal is mentioned first time in a Diploma as Ur, Uhr is first time mentioned in 1723
http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/navnegransking/rygh_ng/rygh_visetekst.prl?s=n&Vise=Vise&KRYSS161100@36234=on
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Edited by - Kåarto on 17/07/2007 09:38:36 |
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renees
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 01:23:16
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Hi Kare,
This is all so very confusing. I thought Evind Torgrimsen was Gunhild's father? Would her brother be Evind Evindsen?
Odd's baptism was February 7, 1819 and he was confirmed in 1840 by J A Aafoss.
I think Torsten's name is Bergesen as I looked in the church book and it looked like Berjesen. I have not been able to find anything on Bessesen.
I'm just really confused about all of these people. They seem like they could be Odd's brothers and sisters except his birthdate.
Thank you for all of your help. Have a good evening.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 03:58:09
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You're right Renee, Gunhild's siblings should also be named Evindsen.
He is her brother though, but his name is Evind Evindsen Ingvaldstad, born July 29 1826.
The bygdebook "Folk i Strand". volume 3 by Jan Alsvik is an excellent source on tracing the Bergeson family roots. You should try to have a look in that one...
Folk i Strand : ei gards- og ættesoge
By Jan Alsvik
Published: Hafrsfjord forlag (publishing house), 1995
Volume 1: Farm no 1 - 26
Volume 2: Farm no 27-48
Volume 3: Farm no 49-69
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renees
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 05:57:02
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Do you know how I could see the book? Or maybe someone who has it?
Good evening,
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Kåarto
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 10:17:13
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The final evidence Renee, you was right about Frue sogn.
Here is Aad /Odd´s confirmation record in Aardal in Hjelmeland, he was christened 1820 and vaccinated 1825 af (by) J. Lillemoe.
His parents was Torsten Bergesen and Britta Olsdr. Uhr
Nr 16
Aad Torstensen født på Tostad i Frue sogn - born on Tostad in Frue parish
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15784&idx_id=157748&uid=ny&idx_side=-171
Only a theory, but:
I also thought I found Torstein´s last name spelled as Berjesen/Besjesen in one of the records, this is likely why the Bezesen name appear in USA.
For all I know the local pronunciaton of Bergesen was more like Bezesen.
Norwegian dialects, particular locals, can be very various.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 17/07/2007 11:00:02 |
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eibache
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 12:44:18
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Looks promising, Einar!
I agree that her lastname must be Aadsdr, both from her own wedding record in 1816 and in her son Aad's confirmation record in 1841.
Britha Aadsdtr (13) lives on the Staurland farm in 1801, link on the on top of this page..., parents Aad Klingsen (54) & Malene Evidsdtr (47)
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 12:50:46
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Aadsdr,
that make sence Einar (hard to read some of these letters) acoording traditional naming.
Aad´s older brother Berge born 1817 (not found) was named after his fathers father, Aad as 2. oldest son was named after his mothers father.
Perhaps Borgella as oldest daughter was named after her fathers mother and Britta after her mothers mother?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 14:02:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
Perhaps Britta was named after her her mothers mother?
Kåre
Maternal grandmother to these children would be Malene.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 17:22:49
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Yes, I assume she is the matarnal grandmother, still some options if they named their daughters traditional:
- Malene was christened Brita Malene
- There was another daughter born after Borgella (not found or she died young) christened Malene
- They didn´t name their daughters the traditional way (less likely).
Should have been interested to find out about, also about Berge Bergesen/ Torstein Bergesen which obviously is the same person.
Hope all this names don´t make only confusion for you Renee.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/07/2007 : 19:12:18
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Should have been interested to find out about, also about Berge Bergesen/ Torstein Bergesen which obviously is the same person.
Kåre
I don't believe Berge Bergesen and Torstein Bergesen are the same person.
As shown in the 1801 census from the Uhr farm, Torsteins father was Berge Bergesen.
And Torstein also have a 9yr old younger brother named Berge Bergesen.
So I doubt very much that Torstein also would go by the name Berge Bergesen. I see the confusion though...
Children to Berge Bergesen & Borghild Danielsdr (from LDS):
Torstein Bergesen, born 1791, Aardal, Rogaland
Margrete Bergesdr, born 1793, Aardal, Rogaland
Ingrid Bergesdr, born 1796, Aardal, Rogaland
Borghild Bergesdr, born 1798, Aardal, Rogaland
Borghild Bergesdr, born 1799, Aardal, Rogaland
Berge Bergesen, born 1800, Aardal, Rogaland
Halvor Bergesen, born 1803, Aardal, Rogaland
Lisbet Bergesdr, born 1804, Aardal, Rogaland
Ola Bergesen, born 1805, Aardal, Rogaland
Anna Bergesdr, born 1812, Aardal, Rogaland
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Children to Aad Klengsen Skaar & Malene Evensen Dyvik (from LDS):
Kleng Aadsen Staurland, chr 05 MAY 1776, Fister, Rogaland
Even Aadsen Staurland, born 02 DEC 1778, Fister, Rogaland
Guri Aadsdr Staurland, born 1780, Fister, Rogaland
Svend Aadsen Staurland, born 1783, Fister, Rogaland
Britta Aadsdr Staurland, born 1788, Fister, Rogaland
Malene Aadsdr Staurland, born 1790, Fister, Rogaland
Svend Aadsen Staurland, born DEC 1794, Fister, Rogaland
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