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msiverh
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Posted - 22/02/2008 :  04:20:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My great grandparents landed in Quebec on May 28, 1867 on the ship Laudal. And they entered the USA via Milwaukee. I'm wondering how long a trip it was traveling through the Great Lakes from Quebec to Milwaukee by sail ship -- two days, maybe? And I wonder if Milwaukee has any information on immigrants entering the port during the late 1860s? I would think the US would have some record of immigrants entrying the country.

Lester Hanson
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USA
567 Posts

Posted - 22/02/2008 :  05:44:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You may be interested in this story about the Laudal, from this web site.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=laurd.

Were there supposed to be some Siverhus people on this ship?

I don't think Milwaukee was considered a port of entry for immigrants in 1867. There was not a direct route for seagoing ships to travel inland then. There is a lot of documentaion about emigrant travels on this web site, and I have seen similar questions regarding the hardships traveling from Quebec to Detroit to Chicago or Detroit.

You can do a forum search or read some of the many articles available.

Les.
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Hopkins
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USA
3351 Posts

Posted - 22/02/2008 :  12:33:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The US National Archives has the copies of Immigration Records
(Ship Passenger Arrival Records and Land Border Entries). On their website that have a list of all the ports of entry for which records were maintained.
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/passenger-arrival.html#film

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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 22/02/2008 :  14:11:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Read this article; Concerning Emigration?, posted in the Norwegian "Billed-Magazin", spring 1869.
It's interesting reading, and decribes several routes to the west, and how to cross Lake Michigan.

Jan Peter

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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 27/02/2008 :  23:16:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mike,

With the information you provided me via an e-mail, I can not find Kittil Augundsen in the 1865 census age 52. Nor can I find his wife Kjerste Gundersdatter age 43. In Bøe, Telemark.

Do you have records for them in Norway?

Les
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DALB
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Posted - 28/02/2008 :  02:06:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=f60820&gardpostnr=776&merk=776#ovre

1865-telling for 0821 Bøe
District no. Page School distr. Local parish Parish Farm Remarks (farm) Title
776 9 196 Otterholdt Bøe Bøe Sivershuus 77a 1
Pers.no. Household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place Disease Horses Cattle Sheep Goat Pig Wheat Barley Oat Peas Potatoes
3767 29 1 Kittil Ougunds. Huusfdr Gaardbrgr og Selveier g 54 m Bø 1 3 6 3 1 3/16 5/8 3 1/16 4
3768 30 Kjærsti Gundersd. hans Kone g 45 k Bø
3769 31 Ougund Kittils. deres Søn hjælper Faderen med Gaardsbruget ug 17 m Bø
3770 32 Gunnild Kittilsd. deres Datter ug 20 k Bø døvstum
3771 33 Ingbor Kittilsd. deres Datter ug 14 k Bø
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DALB
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Posted - 28/02/2008 :  02:10:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
3772 34 Anne Kittilsd. deres Datter ug 9 k Bø
3773 1 Margit Kittilsd. deres Datter ug 6 k Bø
3774 2 Gunder Kittils. deres Søn ug 1 m Bø

Missed the last ones when I copied it off.
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 28/02/2008 :  04:17:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Dolores,

I gave up to soon and should have searched using the childrens names.

Les
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Lester Hanson
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567 Posts

Posted - 28/02/2008 :  04:58:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are some records for Kittil and Kjersti.


Kittil and Kjerste marriage record. 28 May 1844
http://www.arkiI think this is Kittil's father, based on the marriage record below.
Anund Kittilsen 1801 Census, #1222
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=f10821&gardpostnr=46&sokefelt=skjul
vverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1350&idx_id=1350&uid=ny&idx_side=-320

Gunnild Kittilsd birth record 11 April 1845
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1350&idx_id=1350&uid=ny&idx_side=-156

The rest of the children's births records should be available, if you need them.

Les

PS: Here is a Gunder Torkildsen, which I think is Kjersti's Father based on the marriage record. He is person #1208.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=22&filnamn=f10821&gardpostnr=46&sokefelt=skjul


Crossed out incorrect findings.

Edited by - Lester Hanson on 28/02/2008 19:52:41
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DALB
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USA
143 Posts

Posted - 28/02/2008 :  05:49:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I first followed that same family, but believe this one is a better fit.

The children's birth data - all born to Kittil Ougunsen & KIrstie Gundersd. Sivertshuus
1845 Apr 11 Gunnild
1849 Mar 10 Ougun
1852 Jul 17 Ingeborg
1855 Mar 21 Gunder (age on census is 1 - could be an error)
1857 Nov 23 Anne
1860 Oct 8 Margith

birth of Kittil - 1812 Nov 13 Kittil to Ougen Halvorsen Tweten.& Gunild Halvorsdatter

marriage of parents 1794 Oct 7 Ougen Halvorsen Tveten & Gunild Halvorsd Twedt

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=19&filnamn=f10821&gardpostnr=23&personpostnr=656&merk=656#ovre

1801-telling for 0821 Bøe
County district Parish Local parish Farm
23 Bradsberg Bøe Bøe Tveten

656 Ougen Halvorsen Husbonde 36 Begge i 1ste ægteskab Gaardbruger (''tveten'') M
657 Gunild Halvorsdtr Hans kone 33 Begge i 1ste ægteskab K
658 Gone Ougensdtr Deres børn 6 K
659 Margit Ougensdtr Deres børn 4 K
660 Anne Ougensdtr Deres børn 2 K
661 Ingeborg Ougensdtr Deres børn 1 K
662 Kirsti Nielsdtr Tienestepige 14 K
663 Gone Ougensdtr Mandens moder 61 Enke efter 1ste ægteskab Bruger den halve deel i gaarden K
664 Mikkel Halvorsen Hendes børn 29 Ugivt M
665 Margit Halvorsdtr Hendes børn 23 K
666 Kittil Halvorsen Hendes børn 16 M
667 Ougen Knudsen Hendes broder 51 Inderste
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Lester Hanson
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567 Posts

Posted - 28/02/2008 :  17:26:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think this is a better match for Kittil Ougundsen's parents. His marriage record indicated his father was Anund Kittilsen. I found his birth record, where he was babtized 14 Nov. 1814. Parents are Anund Kittlesen and Anne Eversdatter.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7917&idx_id=7917&uid=ny&idx_side=-133


Les

Crossed incorrect records.

Edited by - Lester Hanson on 28/02/2008 19:54:58
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DALB
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USA
143 Posts

Posted - 28/02/2008 :  18:06:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marriage of Kittil & Kirstie
1840 Feb 6 Kittil Ougensen Syverhuus 27 - Ougen Halvorsen
and Kirstie Gundersdatter Boem 17 - Gunder Ingebrethsen

another child 1842 Aug 3 Ougun born at Severbakken
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birth of Kirsti
1821 Nov 6 Kirsti to Gunder Ingebretsen & Ingebor Halvorsd Jorgedal - from 2nd marr
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1801 - Kirsti's father and his family of his first marriage - both wives were Ingebor

1801-telling for 0821 Bøe
County district Parish Local parish Farm
85 Bradsberg Bøe Bøe Jorgedal
Given name Last name Household pos. Age Marital status Occupation Sex

1626 Gunder Ingebretsen Husbonde 25 Begge i 1ste ægteskab Gaardbruger M
1627 Ingebor Kittilsdtr Hans kone 28 Begge i 1ste ægteskab K
1628 Anne Gundersdtr Deres børn 7 K
1629 Gunild Gundersdtr Deres børn 5 K
1630 Ingebret Gundersen Deres børn 3 M

1st marr 1793 NOv 14 Gunder Ingebretsen Jorgedal & Ingebor Kittilsd Roteberget

children's births - all births are at Jorgedal
1794 Oct 8 Anne -
1796 Apr 14 Gunild
-- no birth found ca. 1793 for Ingebret - must have been missed -
1801 Apr 28 Gunvord
1803 Oct 17 Ingeri
1806 Jul 6 Kari
1808 Dec 18 Kittil

death of the mother - 1810 Aug 4 Ingebor Kittilsd wife of Gunder Jorgedal 37

re-marr of Gunder - 1811 Oct 24 enkm Gunder Ingebretsen Jorgedal & Ingebor Halovrsdatter Osterlie

children - all births are at Jorgedal
1812 Aug 17 Ingebor (named for his first wife, as was traditional)
1815 Feb 19 Anne
1817 Nov 1 Gunild
1820 Feb 26 Gunder to Gunder (Gundersen) & Ingeborg Halvorsd Jorgedal (?misread)
*1821 Nov 6 Kirsti
1825 Feb 12 Ingebrigt
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 28/02/2008 :  19:48:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good job Dolores, I found a Kittle Anundsen. But at the top of the page is a brides father with the name Ole Ougandsen. His daughter Brigit? Olsdatter. A possible relative.

Les

I'll add Ingebret Gundersen's birth record. 29 December 1798. Top left hand page.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7917&idx_id=7917&uid=ny&idx_side=-64

Edited by - Lester Hanson on 28/02/2008 23:14:07
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DALB
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USA
143 Posts

Posted - 28/02/2008 :  22:19:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is possible, but there are a number of Ougen's in the Bø records. I recently sent data to another researcher on the Ougen family from the Lunde area. We would need to work our way back to see who comes from which family. It can be very time consuming.

I would suggest that msiverh check for a Bø Bygdebok and check the main farms that the family lived on. Once they have more data, we can help check for verification if needed. I have a few more dates on births, but will not post until we hear from the original requester, to see if they are even interested
.
They should also check with Telelag - http://www.telelaget.com/

Once the family connections are made, they should send their data to their "Coming Home" project - http://www.telelaget.com/Telemark%20HTML/ComingHomeLinks.html
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msiverh
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USA
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Posted - 05/03/2008 :  02:25:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you all so much for your input. I really do appreciate it! Special thank you to Les, DALB, JWIBORG, and HOPKINS.

I will check out the websites that you provided.

I mentioned to Les in an earlier email that I have been conducting genealogical research on my family for over three years. It's been rewarding at times, but also very frustrating.

I obtained some information a couple years ago about my family from a contact in Norway. But I sure would be appreciative to learn more -- and I thank you again for the emails. I now have lots more to go by. And if you have any more information, I would be happy to receive any links you could provide.

I always assumed that my family entered the U.S. via Milwaukee, but Les set me straight. Sounds like they came through Port Huron, and then on to Milwaukee via either through Detroit and Grand Haven or through Chicago. I hope to find data in the National Archives - Immigration Records. I would hope that there is something available in the database for those two cities for 1867.

I have a question -- one that has been dogging me for three years: I cannot find my great-great aunt Ingeborg Kittilsdatter. She's listed in Laurdal's passenger list of April 18, 1867, but that's where the trail ends. She was my great-great grandfather Kittil Augundsen's daughter. I don't think she died at sea, else there would be a recording of that in the log, I presume. I checked every censuses I can think of; and I've checked Lutheran Church records in Dodge County, Minnesota, where the family settled in June of 1867. I wonder if she didn't die enroute from Quebec City to Dodge County? At any rate, I am on a quest to find her.

Sincerely,
Mike Siverhus
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