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carraj
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Borge
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 Posted - 11/05/2008 : 20:29:00
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Stjerne = Star
It was short for the White Star Line |
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carraj
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Posted - 11/05/2008 : 21:52:23
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Thanks for the pointer! Very interesting reading about the White Star Line. Regarding "However, this ship was not the name of the White Star ship, but the name of a ship that brought the emigrants from Norway to Britain. In many cases that would be a ship belonging to the Wilson Line of Hull. The transatlantic steamers of the White Star Line departed from Liverpool and Southampton.", is my understanding correct that the passenger's contract would have been with White Star, with passage from Trondheim to England on Oslo, Wilson Line, and then on a White Star ship with a different name to America?
My apologies if I'm just being thick here, but there seems to be no record of the Oslo, Wilson Line, making any voyage on Nov 30, 1910, as the emigration register (link above) states. What does that indicate? |
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Posted - 13/05/2008 : 09:58:22
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Originally posted by carraj
Thanks for the pointer! Very interesting reading about the White Star Line. Regarding "However, this ship was not the name of the White Star ship, but the name of a ship that brought the emigrants from Norway to Britain. In many cases that would be a ship belonging to the Wilson Line of Hull. The transatlantic steamers of the White Star Line departed from Liverpool and Southampton.", is my understanding correct that the passenger's contract would have been with White Star, with passage from Trondheim to England on Oslo, Wilson Line, and then on a White Star ship with a different name to America?
You are right, the Oslo was a Wilson Line ship and brought them only to Hull, they went by another ship belonging to the White Star Line from England to America |
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carraj
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Posted - 15/05/2008 : 05:21:49
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My apologies if I'm just being thick here, but there seems to be no record of the Oslo, Wilson Line, making any voyage on Nov 30, 1910, as the emigration register (link above) states. What does that indicate?
Thanks very much, but I am still failing to find that the Oslo made any voyage on Nov 30, 1910 ... am I just missing it? |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 15/05/2008 : 10:06:24
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SS Oslo left Tronheim 30.11.1910, Nov. 30. 1910 as you posted in your link abowe.
Here is some information of interest about SS Oslo
Wilson line
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carraj
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Posted - 15/05/2008 : 17:25:36
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Hi Kċre,
Thanks for your response. I apologize in advance if I'm missing something obvious here, but ...
Yes, the emigration register says that the Oslo made a voyage on November 30, 1910. It also says that the Oslo was on the White Star Line, which it isn't, as I learned when Bĝrge pointed me in the right direction and I read the interesting information regarding White Star Line on this site.
Here's my confusion ... in the listing on this site of the Oslo's sailings, (the same link that you provided) there is no sailing listed for Oslo on Nov 30, 1910 ... only for the SS Eskimo, also on the Wilson Line. When I researched the Eskimo on this site, it was built in 1910, so was a new ship and appears to have been doing the majority of the trips during the last half of 1910.
The question I've been attempting to ask is, what is the significance of these facts ... does it mean that the emigration register is wrong? that it would be common for a line to be scheduled to sail one ship and then at the time of sailing substitute another? that the record on this site may yet be incomplete? that there is no way at this point to know why? Or that I'm just overlooking some obvious piece of information?
The bottom line is that the emigration register says one thing, and the sailing records for the Oslo, Wilson Line, on this site say another, and I was asking if anyone could explain the possible circumstances under which that would be so. Maybe it's just one of those inexplicable things? Appreciate any instruction! |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 15/05/2008 : 19:09:41
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There is no claim on this website that the listings are "complete". They are not, that is obvious and noted in various locations.
The emigration register from Trondheim is indicating that some of the persons on the page you earlier linked had purchased tickets with White Star Line but does not claim that the ship Oslo was owned by that line. So it seems that they were sailing on the Oslo as the first leg of their journey and would probably be boarding a ship of the White Star Line to finish that trip. |
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 15/05/2008 : 20:00:29
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The SS Oslo left Tronheim 30 Nov. 1810. A couple days have to pass, before it will arrive in Kristania, and then Kristiansen, and then to Hull. The records seem to be missing for the SS Oslo until 28 Dec 1910.
The SS Eskimo left Kristiansund 30 Nov. 1810 which has no significance for the departure of the SS Oslo.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 15/05/2008 : 20:04:23
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I dont think I can be to much more help here, its easy to get lost and make confusion.
Remember, even a needle in a hay stack can be found.
In 1911 SS Oslo started the Trondheim - Hull service.
Was the 1910 departure from Trondheim some kind of a test?
In 1910 total 1289 people left Trondheim on SS Oslo in several departures, only 14 passengers left Nov. 30. 1910, then SS Oslo returned to Oslo and 9 emigrants left on Dec. 28.
These are the records for emigrant ships in this forum for 1910.
Did SS Oslo substitute for another ship?
Guess the Rian family from Leksvik is your folks?
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Edited by - Kċarto on 15/05/2008 20:08:54 |
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 15/05/2008 : 22:03:52
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Carra was tracing the Heggen's on a previous post. The Heggens are on the previous page of the "link".
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 15/05/2008 : 22:19:33
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Carra,
If you are looking for the ship they arrived on at New York, it was the SS Baltic on 19 Dec. 1910, from Liverpool. The Heggen's and Rian's are relatives.
Kristian Heggen is an uncle to an Ole P. Rian, living in ND.
Les
PS: When you do the Ellis Island search, they are on page -0177 and 0176. |
Edited by - Lester Hanson on 15/05/2008 22:35:02 |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 15/05/2008 : 23:36:39
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Thanks Les,
I didn´t notise that.
Its "easier" to track someone when you have a name.
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carraj
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Posted - 16/05/2008 : 08:56:49
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Thanks very much to you all! Les, you and Kċre both seem to have found other sources that verifies the SS Oslo did sail from Trondheim on Nov 30, 1910, as the register states. Thank you both for that information. The whys will remain a mystery for now!
Kċre, Yes, the Rian family and the Heggen family are both my "shirt-tail" folks ... they are my cousins' g-grandfathers. Les is closer than he knows when he says "they are related" ... Lorentz Christiansen Rian Heggen and Christopher Christiansen Rian(Rium) were brothers. Lorentz took the name Heggen and Christopher took the name Rium/Reum upon emigrating. Lorentz's son Christopher married Christopher's daughter Olive ... they were first cousins. But it turned out well, they had 8 children who all had great families, who also had great families!
Les, thanks much for the SS Baltic information -- I hadn't looked for it yet and appreciate your finding it! |
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Edited by - carraj on 16/05/2008 09:15:45 |
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Ship Oslo, Line Stjerne, Nov 30, 1910
