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AntonH
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eibache
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 Posted - 05/05/2009 : 06:40:09
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The records you are relatively certain about seems to be for the 13 year old Thore Nielsen in the 1801 census. The only problem is that his mother was not Marit Knudsdatter as the 1801 census states, the babtismal record says she was Marit Thoresdatter, which is more likely. I have looked at the records for Thores siblings which also states that she was a Thoresdatter.
1700 records are a challenge, but the ones for Nord-Aurdal are some of the easier ones in my view.
Ole Jan 22 1786
Erik 20 oct 1799.
Ole Jan 26 1794.
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Edited by - eibache on 05/05/2009 08:11:12 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 05/05/2009 : 22:33:26
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einar bache wrote: "the babtismal record says she was Marit Thoresdatter, which is more likely"
I would be interested to know how or why you found this name more likely than the other. |
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DALB
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 00:45:37
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Because all six of the children were born to Niels Olsen and Marit Thoresdatter Oppen.
It states on the 1801 census that is a first marriage for both of them - I haven't located the marriage record.
The girls baptism dates are:
Guri - 4 April 1784
Astri - 27 Mar 1794 |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 04:41:43
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First let me say THANK YOU!!!! Your help is most appreciated.
I was able to find and read part of Niels born 1805. It also has Thoresdtr as the mother's name.
Her name being Thoresdtr also is logical considering Thore was the second son which is traditionally named after the mother's father.
The 1801 Census seems to fit other than the mother's last name. I initially thought I may have misread the 'Begge i første ægteskab'. But DALB has confirmed the 'both in first marriage'.
One source has Thore's parents as
Niels Olsen(1757-1837) son of Ole Olsen and Guri Erichsdatter(1724-)
and Marith Daughter of Thore Larson-Diserud (feb 14, 1713-1801) and Astri Henrichsdtr - Gjelde (1720-1797)
Niels and Marith supposedly had
Guri Apr 4, 1784
Ole Jan 1 1786
Thore Nov 2 1788 - Feb 2 1870
Ole Jan 28 1794
Astri Feb 27 1796
Erik Oct 20 1799
Niels July 14, 1805 Jul 28 1805
This leads me to two questions regarding the 1801 Census:
1) could the index have the name wrong but the family right?
2) what about the two sons named Ole both in the census. I've only seen the name reused within the same family if the first one had died. |
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eibache
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 06:27:58
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quote:
1) could the index have the name wrong but the family right?
yes most likely, there are two Marit Knudsdatter 42 years old, one married to Niels Olsen (which should have been Marit Thoresdatter), the other one unmarried.
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2) what about the two sons named Ole both in the census. I've only seen the name reused within the same family if the first one had died.
sometimes a name that was important to keep in the family was used for a child even if the name was already used, to distinguish between two with the same name the last one born was many times called for instance "little Ole".
Guri April 4 1784
Astri Febr 27 1896
Niels July 14 1805
It may be interesting to note that the witnesses at Guris baptism was Marith Olsdatter, Gjelde, Erich Olsen, Oppen, Henrich Thoresen, Gjelde, Ingebor Thoresdatter og Ane Thoresdatter ibid (Gjelde).
See also 1801 for Gielle
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Edited by - eibache on 06/05/2009 07:15:51 |
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DALB
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 06:28:29
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There could be a clerical error on the 1801 census. If you wanted to check, LDS probably still has the films of the 1801 that you could look at. They also have fiche, but more likely the error would be made in transcribing from the film.
The children are named for the couples parents and ancestral grandparents. If there were more than one Ole, they would have two and even 3 of the same name. If a child dies, they will name another child the same name until one lives.
I did find a birth that was the most logical for Niels & it is the same family that you have.
1757 Aug 14 Niels to Ole Olsen Sondre Boe & Gurie Erichsdatter
Engagement (no marriage date given)
1743 Feb 7 Ourdal Ole Olsen Boe & Guri Eriksdatter Trondhuus
Here is one that must by your Guri's birth
1724 12 Nov Guri Ericksdatter to Erich Trondhuus - Reenlie |
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eibache
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 07:08:53
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Guri Eriksdatters baptismal is the last record on right page.
According to LDS her parents were Erich Arnesen and Anne Olufsdatter.
Ole Olsen and Guri Eriksdatters engagement record is next to the last on on right page
Niels Olsens baptismal record on left page
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Edited by - eibache on 06/05/2009 07:32:09 |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 02:21:40
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Marit 1760 - last item left column.
Is this an introduction record? My understanding of the "introduction" is very limited. What is it? |
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DALB
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 03:34:27
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The birth/baptism of Marit - 1760 29 Sept -
daughter of Thore Larsen Gielde & Astri Henrichsdatter - in Ourdal
Marriage of Thore & Astri -
1736 Dec 6 Ourdal -
engagement Thore Larsen Leeren & Astri Henrichsdatter Gielde
10 Nov 1737 marriage
Also the marriage of Guri's parents, Erich & Anne
1703 Jan 1 Erich Arneson Sater & Anne Olufsdatter -
in Reinlie
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/05/2009 : 00:24:05
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A better definition than I can do for introduction is
One aspect of church records I have not found very useful is “Introduserte or Innlede. It was customary in the early days of the church that a new mother was considered unclean for about 6 weeks. When she returned to church the first time after the birth of a child she was met at the door of the church by the priest and escorted in and “re-introduced” into the church. In early church records the father’s name only made the church records, not the mother and in later years only the mother’s name.
And is taken from
http://www.ggsalaska.org/norwaygen.htm
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