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tmafarrell
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 Posted - 09/04/2010 : 18:33:18
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i am looking for a death record for JENSDATTER/KAROLINE KIRSTINE born 1865.08.3 in oslo. daughter of SAMUELSEN/JENS & TRULSDATTER/KAREN.
she would have died before 1870.08, as another child of the above couple was born named CAROLINE.
i suspect there was only 1 Caroline born in 1865, but the death certificate of the Caroline i know shows she was born in 1870.
this means that either the various records (1865 census, death certificate,etc) are inaccurate, and that there was only the 1 Caroline born 1865, or there was a Karoline born in 1865 who died as an infant/child sometime between 1865-1870.
any and all help is always appreciated!
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Edited by - tmafarrell on 09/04/2010 19:31:55 |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 09/04/2010 : 19:09:57
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 09/04/2010 : 19:31:26
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| sorry- it was in oslo. i will edit my original post to reflect that. |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 09/04/2010 : 19:33:25
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A death certificate was not completed by the person who hopefully knew the information the best -- the deceased. I usually take a death certificate as good information only for the death information itself. A reporting family member can be in great distress and not give accurate information which seemed of little importance at the moment.
I have several such certificates in my collection for ancestors where the information about birth and parents is completely wrong.
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eibache
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Posted - 09/04/2010 : 23:23:53
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| What is "the evidence" showing that another Caroline was born 1870.08? |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 02:17:08
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Todd did not reference his earlier posting thread - http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4600&whichpage=1
In that thread documentation was shown that Ragnild, younger sister to "Caroline" at the time of the family's emigration was actually born in 1869 (detailed reference was given). The family left with Ragnild as the obvious baby of the family and Caroline as at least 2-3 years older than she.
Personally I'm of the opinion that the US death certificate is probably in error. It might be interesting to look at any and all other US documents that had any reference to her year of birth and compare them to that. What did your research learn about that?
Todd, Exactly which of the Oslo/Kristiania congregation church records did you already check? What years for those?
The original question in this thread has been edited and some of the responses now make no sense. |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 03:27:16
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it was actually eibache who found the Karoline born in 1865.08.30: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=594&idx_id=594&uid=ny&idx_side=-69
the Caroline i was aware of is born the same day (well, 1 day off, 1870.08.31 which i found from her death certificate). however, i know that traditionally if one child dies, the next child is named after the deceased (hence Karoline then Caroline).
nothing mathces up exactly... the emigrant list from 1871 shows Caroline as 3 years old (making her born in 1868 or so- right in between 1865 and 1870).
so my question is: was there 2 Carolines or just the 1? i figured if there was a death certificate for the first one, then that would indicate 2, but if not, then perhaps there was only the one (as hopkins suspects).
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eibache
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 09:15:58
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Sorry, did not recall earlier posting (getting too old).
I have looked in the parish registers in Oslo and believe that there was only one Karoline/Caroline.
Age given in the emigrant record is most likely wrong as is also the age of Ole who was a twin with Anna and should have been 9 in 1871, not 19 as recorded.
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 15:54:40
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thank you eibach!
i know you noticed a mistake from anna and ole- twins who were recorded as 10 years apart. |
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tmafarrell
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eibache
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 18:03:03
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| Your link does not work, where, what year, what record ??? |
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tmafarrell
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eibache
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 22:20:14
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Caroline Kirstine was born Aug 30 and bapt Dec 26 1865.
Her father Jens Samuelsen was a dockworker and the family was living at Krogen 9.
It is easier to read in the ministerialbok, see #376.
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Edited by - eibache on 10/04/2010 22:26:49 |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 23:31:07
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| eibache- again, thank you so much. you were right- the ministerial book was much easier to read; even i could read it! normally i cannot make out anything that is written in these church books. now, you found this information, but the books are not indexed, i assume, so it would be just a matter of looking through the books page after page, is that right? |
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death record JENSDATTER/KAROLINE B 1865.08.30
