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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 23/07/2010 : 07:01:18
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The baptismal record for Ole born April 13 1846 is #9.
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 23/07/2010 : 14:49:44
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Thank-you for Oles info!
He has been very interesting for me. I still have a mystery to figure out though. He came to the US with his parents at the age of 4 yrs and his brother 2 years, His Mom gave birth to another in Canada along the way.
The parents had 2 more children here in the US. Mom dies when Ole was 8 years old.
No idea what happpened to the Dad after Mom's death. Ole was left to make it on his own in the world by the age of 9 years. His siblings were all seperated into other families.
By the time of Ole's death he had become a fairly wealthy man for the times here in LaSalle Co.,
I'm still learning about Norway, Tinn is the Parish?
Would this be Bakkajord, Tinn, Telemark, Norway?
I have another family
that we had researched here that was married into the Farley family (Sanderson) that had also lived on Bakka farm.
I am understanding that there were 2 Bakka farms and 2 sub-Bakka farms?
Do you know if these Farms are in the Immediate vicinity or are they spread out somewhere?
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 23/07/2010 : 18:01:39
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Yes Tinn is a parish in Telemark county. Ole and Gro was on Eggerud farm when Ole was born. They were still on that farm in 1865.
North Bakka and South Bakka are two neibouring farms. The distance to a third Bakka is some 20 miles. Use this map.
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Edited by - eibache on 23/07/2010 18:17:09 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/07/2010 : 19:33:06
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Jodie.
Bakkajord where the Sondresen (Sanderson) family emigrated from 1837 is located to Atrå sub parish in Tinn, the northern part of the deep lake Tinnsjø
Atrå is a small village with ab. 300 inhabitants.
Hovin where your family comes from is a small municipality south-east of Atrå.
Bakka Østre (Eastern Bakka) where your Sigrid was born 1777 is called Tores- Bakka, probably named after the first settler Tore.
Kittil Olsen Bakka Østre married Aslaoug Nerisdatter Tveito 1770:
Children; Aagot 1771, Sigurd 1774, your Sigrid 1777, Ole 1781 and Halvor 1784.
I am sure you will find them in the records for Tinn
I have more information from Tores-Bakka and other farms, birth records, marriages, death records, transfer of ownership etc. for you.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 23/07/2010 19:38:16 |
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 26/07/2010 : 03:17:43
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Hi, eibache
I have been going over and over the Posting on Ole and Gro! I have back tracked all the Posting here to see where I went wrong! And then I figured it out!!!
You want to keep me on my toes! LOL
Ole and Gro belong to the other Ole on that Baptism record. My Ole's parents are Kittle Olson and Gro Herbjornsdatter Hoyset the one below.
OK now I can move on. LOL
Thanks, Jodie
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 26/07/2010 : 05:37:57
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OK, Kåre
I have tried to find them. I think I have but would like to ask if you would check to make sure I have the right ones. I couldn’t make out the Birth dates on 2 of them.
1.) Aagoth Kittlesdatter B: 1771 (I think it is Aug 25 1771) #51
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1771, side 68-69.
2.) Sigur Kittleson B 1774 ( I cannot tell the Birth date) #60
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1775, side 86-87.
3.) Sigrid Kittlesdatter B 14th of ? 1777 #40
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1777, side 102-103.
4.) Halvor Kittleson B: I think July 7 1784 #34
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1784, side 142-143.
Is there anything in there that is interesting that I can’t read? LOL
I sure wish this was my family! I am doing this for my Daughter’s in-laws. My family is from Sweden. Is Norwegian and Swedish language similar? I couldn’t get anywhere looking at those records in the past because of the Language barrier.
In looking at the web pages for Norway and weather. What is your weather like there now? Is it warm or cold?
Thanks again for all your help!!!
Jodie 
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/07/2010 : 10:04:18
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You are a great finder Jodie.
- Aagot Dominca 13. p Trinitates in Haavind (Lathin for 13 Sunday after Trinity, August 25.)
- Sigur Dominica 19 p. Trin. ( Oct. 9.)
- Your Sigrid June 14, 1777, see my posting on page one
- Ole Dominica 5. p. Trin in Haavind 1781 (July 15.) #46
- Halvor July 7. 1784 (Strange, it was a Wedensday)
They married in Atrå church July 3. engaged March 31. 1770, see left page #5, the reason for that could be because Aslaug Nerisdatter was from Atrå.
Normally a wedding took place in the brides home.
I will answere your other questions later today.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 26/07/2010 11:24:57 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/07/2010 : 10:30:06
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3.) Sigrid Kittlesdatter B 14th of ? 1777 #40
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1777, side 102-103.
- date refers to month on page 102 - it was June.
(Sorry Kåre, I did not refer to that page) |
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Edited by - eibache on 26/07/2010 12:25:03 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/07/2010 : 18:16:40
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Hi Jodie, so it´s your daughter´s in-laws beeing Norwegian American´s.
Norwegian and Swedish are very similar, we can include Denmark to.
In the written language its easier to read Danish, its very similar to early 1900 Norwegian.
Some words are different, I think the Swedes has most poblems in understanding Danish and also in understanding Norwegian.
Norwegians understand both languages well.
After the Black plague 1350 where 50 % of the population died it was disorder in Norway and agressive foreigners starteted to buy farms in Norway, it ended with a 400 years union with Denmark, called the "400 years long dark night" (400 hundre års natten hvilte over apekatten) and Denmark/Norway was for centuries involved in many wars against Sweden.
After the 1814 war Norway was by those days superpowers forced into a uinion with Sweden lasted until 1905.
The weather forecast can be followed in Norwegian on YR.
Celcius-Fahrenheit converter
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Edited by - Kåarto on 26/07/2010 18:46:11 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/07/2010 : 20:20:19
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This is supposed to Aagot (not confirmed) , she died on Rui/Rue Oct. 27. 1824, see right page #13.
People from Rue where among the pioners when more than 100 persons from Numedal, Tinn and Hjrtdal emigrated, The Tinn party was called the rue party.
Sigurd died on Bakka 32 years old in 1807 and was buried August 30, see #30
Kittil Olsen owned two farms, Espeseth and Bakka, in 1807 he gave Bakka to his son Ole and Espesth to his son Halvor, the document was signed already Jan. 21. 1805, he secured himself and his wife Anloug in a written contract free supplies from the owner as long as they lived.
Kittil Olsen died on Bakka Nov. 24, buried Dec. 12. 1818, age 78, see#9
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 27/07/2010 : 03:30:14
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Thank-you Kåre and Eibache
I see your weather and it said 18 degrees. Is it Cold there now? It is 84 degrees here! Warm.
Celcius-Fahrenheit converter had a broken link. Do you use Celcius or Fahrenheit?
Yes my daughter’s in-laws are just about ALL Norwegians. So every line in their family brings me back to here! You are both Great for all the help and patience you give us researchers.
Thanks, Jodie
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 27/07/2010 : 13:15:31
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Hi, I found these children on the LDS site. Then I looked for them in the Link to the TINN site you gave me Kåre
Now, I am looking to confirm the info I found is correct. Can you help me translate the info I found? There are 10 children listed and I am sending you the 1st 5 that I found. I can’t read a birthdate on them. Is there any other translation in them that I may want to know?
What Census is there in Norway? Is it only 1801 and 1865?
Anyway to confirm this is the right Ole and Sigrid?
1. )#59 Gro Olsen Birth 1798, daughter of Ole Knudsen Wastved and Sigrid Kittilsdatter Bakka
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1799, side 256-257. Need to know Birthdate.
2.) # 25 Aagoth Olsen Birth 1800, daughter of Ole Knudsen Wastved and Sigrid Kittilsdatter Bakka
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1800, side 270-271 Need to know Birthdate
3.) #59 Halvor Olsen Birth 1801 son of Ole Knudsen Wastved and Sigrid Kittilsdatter Bakka
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1801, side 280-281.
4.) #21 Ole Olsen Birth 1804 son of Ole Knudsen Wastved Bakka and Sigrid Kittilsdatter Bakka
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1804, side 302-303.
5.) #4 Aslaug Olsen Birth 1808 daughter of Ole Knudsen Wastved and Sigrid Kittilsdatter Bakka
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 2 (1757-1810), Fødte og døpte 1808, side 464-465.
Thank-you, Jodie
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/07/2010 : 15:46:29
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Hi Jodie.
1) #59 Groe bap. 22. p. Trinit., Sunday Nov. 4. 1798
2) #25 Ole and Sigrid Bakkens Daughter Aagot bap. Trinitates, Sunday June 8. 1800.
3) #59 Halvor bap. 15. Sunday , Sept. 13. 1801
4) #21 Ole bap. "Palme Søndag" Palm Sunday 1804, Sunday March 25.
5) #4 Aslaug bap. 2. Sunday Hellige 3. Kongers da. (Holy 3 kings) Epiphany, Sunday Jan. 17. 1808
Tinn has 1782 census, start with few letters because of the various spellings in column A for landed property.
Only the owners firts name is mentioned by name, the other familymembers are only numbers.
The reason is that the authorities (The king) was only intersted in farm owners (tax payers) and boys and men (potential soldiers)
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/07/2010 : 19:07:30
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Continuing on Bakka.
Sigrid Kittelsdatter´s brother Ole born 1781 who takes over Bakka in 1807 married as bachelor and soldier in Atrå July 11. 1808 to maid Ingeborg Gunleksdatter 1790-1824, see left page #10
They got two sons, Gunlek 1808 and Kittel 1810.
Ole was soldier in Tinnske company in Telemark Regiment.
The regiment send guardsmen to the Swedish border in 1808 and -09, the Regimant consisted of 2190 soldiers and 34 officers.
My Ggggrandfather was Lieutenant Colonel in Telemark regiment, he died 1811, three years before the regiment participated in the 1814 war against Sweden.
Ole was probably send to the border 1810.
Returning spring 1811 both Ole Kittelesen Bakka in Hovind age 29 and soldier Hans Olsen Tveten age 21 both drowned when they tried to cross lake Tinnsjø on thin ice, see right page here below 4th Marts (March) and NB.
a summary;
Drowned on lake Tinnsjø, soldier Ole Kittelsen Bakka i Hovind 29 and soldier Hans Olsen Tveten 21.
His son Gunlek Olsen inherit Bakka when he came of age.
Gunlek married Birgit Thoresdatter Fosse July 16. 1832, Gunlek´s brother Halvor was best man, see #5
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 28/07/2010 : 16:22:29
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Hi, again, Thank-you for all the info. Interesting that he drowned on the Lake. And that he was a Soldier. Do the parish records list the cause of death? Or just in Ole’s case? Perhaps I should had been asking if a cause of death was listed and what Cemetery they were buried at.
I am working on the other 5 children born to Ole Knudsen Wastved and Sigrid Kittilsdatter Bakka. I once again need help Translating. Also Can you tell me if all these children were Baptized in the Hovin Subparish? I think I read Hovind on some of the entries. But would like you to confirm that I am reading it correctly.
1.) Knud Olsen Jan 5 1811 Son of Ole Knudsen Wastved and Sigrid Kittilsdatter Bakka
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 3 (1810-1814), Kronologisk liste 1811, side 20-21.
I found him, Last entry on Left page beginning right page
2.) Aasne Olsen Aug 10 1813 Daughter of: Ole Knudsen Wastved and Sigrid Kittilsdatter Bakka
Kildeinformasjon: Telemark fylke, Tinn, Ministerialbok nr. I 3 (1810-1814), Kronologisk liste 1813, side 64-65.
Right Page, Are all the listings for these children Bap dates and no Birth date?
What does Granfastet mean? Above the entry for Aasne. I am seeing this often on pages.
3.) Birgith Olsen LDS has listed Birth Aug 29 1817 and Death Aug 29 1817
(I can’t find this one) Can you help to tell me what book to look in?
4.) Birgith Olsen LDS has listed Birth Jan 11 1822 and Death Jan 5 1830
Again I don’t know what Book to look under in the link for TINN that you gave me.
5.) Kittel Olsen I have info on from Earlier.
Perhaps when I get all Kittels’s siblings info I can see if any came to the USA with him. Perhaps that will give me clues as to where he was after his wife’s death and why he left all his children orphans?
Thank-you, Jodie
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Kittl Olson Bakka born 1819
