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michele bruce
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 Posted - 17/09/2010 : 12:41:21
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My first posting to the list.
Otto, I have been searching for 3 years and just found he may have a sister called Othilie/Ottilie TORGERSEN nee HAGEMANN whose parents are Otto HAGEMANN and Marie TORNBOM.
The Latter Day Saints (Mormons) Pilot site provided the above details but no luck with Otto.
His Will (died 27 May 1890) states him a Marine Surveyor from Norway late of London England.
Is there somebody on this list can point me where I can locate Otto's birth details and perhaps his working details?
I have viewed this site hoping for a break through.
Many thanks.
Michele in Australia
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2010 : 18:30:22
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Otilies marriage record is #18,
her birth record is #9. |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 17/09/2010 22:18:51 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/09/2010 : 19:19:48
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Otto Friderich Hageman was born in Moss Mai 7. 1831.
Parents; Christian Hageman and Elisabeth Melberg, see #64
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 17/09/2010 19:21:51 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2010 : 22:26:04
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Ottos parents 1st mate Christian Hageman and Elisabeth Melberg were married June 2 1823, see #10. They were both 30 years old.
Elisabeth, her parents and siblings in 1801.
Christian was born Dec 20 1792, see 1st record in 1793. His parents were Captain in the cavalry von Hageman and Olie Lytzow.
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Edited by - eibache on 17/09/2010 22:43:37 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/09/2010 : 23:56:41
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Hi,
Captain von Hagemen was most likley Captein Christian Hageman and Olie Lytzow, perhaps a nicname for Beatha Dorothea Lyttzow, they married In Fredrikstad Oct. 15. 1784, see left page 2. marriage here
Betaha Dorothea was daughter to General Henning Carl Lytzow and Helle lytzow.
Oslo 1801, retired General Lytzow with a pension of 600 RiksDaler and Helle Lytzow, a unmaried daughter Merethe age 44.
Berthel Hendrich Hagemann, military student, perhaps a grandchild and Christian Hagemanns brother/cousin?
Correction;
Olie was not a nickname, Olea Johanna Lytzow was her name and she was Beatha Dorothea Lytzow´s sister, she married Christian Hageman´s brother (von Hageman) "Premier" First Lieutenant Frideric Christian Otto von Hageman Sept. 17. 1788, see left page 2. wedding here
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/09/2010 : 00:42:30
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Information tells, not confirmed, that First Lieutenant Frideric Christian Otto Hageman died Feb. 9. 1795, age 45.
Perhaps that is why Cristian Hageman age 13 in 1801, lived with his uncle Lieutenant Colonel Christian von Hageman and Beatha Hageman (Lytzow, married 1784, see above) and two sons, Carl Friderik and Theodor, on farm Fossum in Blaker subparish in Aurskog municipality, Akershus county, see person nr 83724 here.
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 18/09/2010 00:53:17 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2010 : 06:59:45
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Hi,
I will be busy today so any questions can not be answered until Sunday.
Kċre |
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michele bruce
Starting member
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Posted - 18/09/2010 : 14:57:30
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Thank thank you all who answered my 'call for help'.
Family stories mentioned "a fishing trawler ship's captain" and I was drawn to Norway early in my search but couldn't 'find him.
His son Otto Hagman ROBERTS was born in Lambeth London in October 1878 to a Sarah RICHARDS with the Birth Certificate father's details crossed through.
His will mentioned Otilia as a beneficary and also Otto Junior but no acknowledgement as a 'son'.
All Otto Senior's parent details are gratefully accepted opening further investigations into his lineage.
This website members have been most beneficial to my search and I thank you all again.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/09/2010 : 23:47:24
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Hi,
if you want any help in your further investigation I still have much to share.
Kċre |
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michele bruce
Starting member
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Posted - 23/09/2010 : 08:23:46
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Hi Kare,
Yes, I would be interested. I see you have the same surname or is it common in Norway?
Another object is to find Otto's sailing history between the U.K. and Norway. Can you help here?
Michele |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 23/09/2010 : 23:03:51
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Hi,
the Torgersen name is a common in Norway, comes from my ggrandfather Torger Torkildsen.
Henning Carl Lytzow married Helle Lytzow in Oslo Cathedral Dec. 23. 1748, he was a lieutenant, Helle Lytzow was Helle Baltzersdatter Broch, daughter to Vicar in Sandsvĉr Baltzer Broch and Mette Nilsdatter.
The wedding record, see 3. column here, starts with;
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23 Lieutnant Henning Carl von Lytzow and Helle Broch.
More about Vicar Broch tomorrow.
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 23/09/2010 23:05:14 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/09/2010 : 15:52:17
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Baltzer Broch was born in Trondheim ab. 1691 was Vicar in Eftelĝt church in Ytre (Outher) Sandsvĉr from 1722-25 when he died.
The vicarage was located to a small countryside, "Sauerkroken" not fare from the church.
When Baltzar Broch settled down 1722 he demanded inspection of the farm, the houses were more than 100 years old and in somewhat poor condition and had to be repaired.
The forest consists of pine, spruce and birch .
A son Peder was born 1722, bapt. Dec. 28, Helle was born 1724, christened April 4. in Eftelĝt, see here
When Baltzar Broch died the new minister was Peter Henrich Wolf, the houses were still in poor condition.
The widow Mette Nilsdatter lived in Sandsvĉr for some years before she settled down in Oslo with the children Peder and Helle and where the daughter Helle Broch married 1748.
Mette Nilsdatter b.a. 1694 died in Oslo 1757.
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 24/09/2010 23:53:20 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/09/2010 : 23:51:57
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Peder Broch born 1722 became Chaplain in Stange, he died 1773, buried Nov. 23, see right page, right column;
23 Peder Broch age 50 here
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michele bruce
Starting member
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Posted - 26/09/2010 : 14:11:26
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Kaarto,
Many thanks for the ancestors' information.
So are you related to Otilie?
Have re-viewed this site's holdings and can't see Otto as captain on vessels etc.
Can you recommend a site for me to check out?
Thanks again.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 27/09/2010 : 16:45:24
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No records for Ottos mother, Elisabeth Melberg, except for the 1801 census has been referred to so far.
She was born Jan 10 1792 and baptized Jan 16, see last record on right page.
Her parents recorded as Petter Melberg and Sara Katrine Mowat.
Petter Andreasen Melberg and Sara Katrine Movat were married July 9 1789, see 3rd record from botttom of right page.
Petter Andreasen Melbergs father was Andreas Melberg, 77 years old and a widower in 1801.
Petter Andreasens mother, Karen Iversdatter, died of old age Sept 16 1799 (Petter Melberg lost a daughter Andrine 10 days before, see same page.)
Andreas Melberg and Karen Iversdatter had the following children:
Christina, March 25 1755,
Gunild Maria, April 11 1757,
Peder, July 8 1758,
Gunild Maria, Aug 29 1760,
Anne Cathrine, Sept 21 1762,
Peter, April 25 1765,
Peder, Dec 3 1767,
Dorthe Maria, Nov 3 1770.
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Edited by - eibache on 28/09/2010 06:47:29 |
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Otto Frederik HAGEMANN born c.1832
