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glenhorn
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 Posted - 10/02/2011 : 01:28:46
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Gurine (Gravdahl) Egland came to US in 1909 with son Helge and daughter Laura. Her passenger record indicated her nearest relative as Hans (middle name appears to be Gunderson) Gravdal who was a shipbuilder in Fjelberg (sp?).
Looking for any information about this shipbuilder Hans Gunderson Gravdal in Fjelberg, Norway in the first decade of 1900s.
Gurine's husband had already gone to america and died in Iowa in 1893. So she was widowed when she came to US. She later married a Larson, who may have come over on the same ship in 1909.
Looking for any leads on Egland/Ekeland Gravdahl/Gravdal families.
Thanks to all.
Glen Horn
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 03:41:27
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I have a book with some history and hopefully family information of the Gravdal farm in Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway.
I'll check and edit this response in a little while. (hear the footsteps wandering into the other room....) |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 04:37:19
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Glen -- What year was Hans Gunderson born or can you guess? what year for Gurine? The two children she came to US with?
Was her husband named Helge Helgesen?
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Quick look probably reveals that Hans Gunnarsson Gravdal was Gurine's cousin -- their fathers being brothers from another district along the Hardanger -- Strandebarm - but both residing on Gravdal for some time. Hans Gravdal also later resided on Opsanger in Kvinnherad.
Hans Gunnarsson Gravdal (1855-1941).
Gurine Kristine Hansdatter Gravdal (1864- ) married Helge Helgesson of Eikeland farm. Children named Laura Gurine, Hans Laurits, Helga, Helene Andrea, Laura Johanna, and Helge born between 1882 and 1893.
Her husband is noted as having left for America in 1892.
(footsteps padding back quietly to the bookshelf to return two references to where they belong.... Good night.)
"Kvinnherad b. 5 Fjelberg og Eid", 1 vol by Anders Havnelid
"Kvinnherad bygdesoga -- Band 4 Husnes Sokn" by Erling Vaage.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 08:54:39
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The daughter Laura Johanna was born Aug 20 1890, see #14.
She was confirmated Sept 10 1905, see in Husnæs.
The son Helge Kornelius was born Dec 22 1892, see #1.
He was confirmated Sept 15 1907, see Husnæs.
The record showing emigration from Fjelberg, here.
Her son was already in America. That was most likely Hans Laurits, see #13.
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Edited by - eibache on 10/02/2011 09:33:45 |
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eibache
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 09:29:55
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Helge Helgesen and Gurine Kristine Hansdatter were married Jan 19 1882, see #1.
Gurines father was Hans Hansen.
The confirmation record for Gurine is #17, she was born May 31 1864, parents Hans Hansen and Helga Torgersdatter, Gravdal.
The bapt record is #24.
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eibache
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 09:41:47
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Helge Helgesen emigrated 1892.
Hans Lauritz in 1899.
Gurina Helgesdatter born Sept 29 1884, see 15-16 left at the same time as Hans Lauritz.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 10:00:49
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Hans Hansen and Helga Torgersdatter in 1865.
Hans Hansen, Sandvold and Helga Torgersdatter, Holmedal were married June 14 1846, see #7.
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glenhorn
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 18:33:05
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Hello, Hopkins and eibache, and thank you very much for your responses. I am very impressed!
Hopkins, I do not have any information on Hans Gunderson other than the name and location and occupation. As he is a cousin I would guess mid 1800s. For Gurine I have 1864. The two children that traveled with Gurine in 1909 were Laura age 20 and Helge age 16 per the passenger list I have. We have Gurine's husband as Helge Helerson C Egland, unknown birth date. we have 6 children that pretty well match up to your six. The 4 or 5 Norwegian names and the conversion to American make it difficult to connect the right people. You mentioned the fathers of cousins Gurine and Hans were brothers. Do you have those names and information and families? Or can you point me to them? Also, are the two source books you mentioned available? In English?
Eibache, thanks for your information and your references to source documents. Are those and others available on the norwayheritage site? Your details certainly seem to match up with our limited information. Is there a way to determine all of the correct Norwegian names for the individual we have as Hans Lauritz Egland 15 Jul 1883-4 Oct 1954? Same question would apply for others.
I have many questions and I hope to learn more from both of you.
If I can assist with anything on this side of the Atlantic, let me know.
Thanks.
Glen Horn
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 20:20:24
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Eibache, thanks for your information and your references to source documents.
the source documents are available from this site. You'll find info on possible records there, you can also choose an english version, see upper left corner.
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We have Gurine's husband as Helge Helerson C Egland, unknown birth date.
- her husband was Helge Helgesen, born approx 1851 and his father was Helge Helgesen, Egeland (see the referenced marriage record).
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Is there a way to determine all of the correct Norwegian names for the individual we have as Hans Lauritz Egland 15 Jul 1883-4 Oct 1954?
his baptismal record is #13. According to naming practice he would have been Hans Laurits Helgesen.
Bapt. record for Laura Gurine is #8.
Bapt record for Helga is #2.
Bapt record for Helene Andrea is #15.
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Edited by - eibache on 10/02/2011 21:13:37 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 21:14:58
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Glen - These are matches to the family you inquired about. Einar has taken the strong hints I found in the bygdebøker and listed and has started finding the primary source records that are available online.
Bygdebøker are written in Norwegian of course. Names and names and dates are dates no matter the language. I've found that owning a good Norwegian-English dictionary is of great help to me.
Since I mentioned them you should learn about bygdebøker --
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/bygdebok.html
You should also learn about the basics of Norwegian genealogy research -
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/articles.html
And the wonderful parish church records which are some of the best primary documents we have available to us -
The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005.
The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
Clicking on "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] will bring up another screen and listing to choose from. Choose "Lesa skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Read the digitised parish records" [English version].
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
Other VERY useful websites for you -
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/DigitalArchives.html
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm
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glenhorn
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 23:16:01
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Thank you both! You have given me a lot to research and to absorb.
I hope I do not wear out my welcome by asking you something else.
We have a Peter Johnson born 8 Apr 1836 in Branbee, Hadeland, Norway and died in Iowa 21 Jan 1908.
His name was presumably changed upon immigration from his father's name of John Aabraaten (son of Johnson just became Johnson). No birth date for John Aabraaten but he presumably died in 1872. We have John Aabraten's wife as Aasaline, born 1811 Norway and died 1873 in Iowa. Siblings of Peter Johnson may be Annie 1833-1917 and Rangdi 1847-1925.
This Peter Johnson (son of Aabraaten) married a Johanna Andrina Johnson whose father we have only as last name Sivesind. Her name was presumably also changed from Sivesind to Johnson (daughter of Johnson) upon immigration. Johanna is shown as born in Sivesind, Toten, Norway.
One of Peter's and Johanna's daughters, Elizabeth Emma Johnson, born in Iowa, married Hans Lauritz Egland.
Are you able to find any connections for these people?
Thanks very much for all you have provided.
Glen Horn
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 23:55:44
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That is a very separate inquiry and he comes from a very different part of Norway. You might be better off to make this a separate thread on the forum.
Hadeland is an ancient region in Oppland, Norway. 'Branbee' MIGHT actually be Brandbu which is/was a parish area within Hadeland.
Links to what part of Iowa? I ask because I've studied some settlements of Norwegian emigrants in a few areas of Iowa and perhaps this might be one of those areas.
I add an important question. The 1900 US census should have listed an immigration year for Peter Johnson -- what did it say?
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2011 : 13:34:14
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That is a very separate inquiry and he comes from a very different part of Norway. You might be better off to make this a separate thread on the forum.
Hadeland is an ancient region in Oppland, Norway. 'Branbee' MIGHT actually be Brandbu which is/was a parish area within Hadeland. Brandbu area has been pretty much absorbed into the Hadeland district of Gran, Oppland. Wikipedia entry for Hadeland
Links to what part of Iowa? I ask because I've studied some settlements of Norwegian emigrants in a few areas of Iowa and perhaps this might be one of those areas. Sivesind is familiar... The name appears repeatedly in Winneshiek County, Iowa. Other known Iowa "Sivesind"s originally came from Vestre Toten, Oppland, Norway.
I add an important question. The 1900 US census should have listed an immigration year for Peter Johnson -- what did it say? 1900 US census for Winneshiek Co. IA lists Peter as immigrating to US in 1849 which means your Peter Johnson was actually --
Peder Johnsen, born 7 April 1836 to 'Joen'? Pedersen and Mathea Olsdatter, emigrated from Gran, Oppland in 1849. There are farms known as Aabraaten in Gran but other resources would have to be researched to actually find a family connection to that residence.
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glenhorn
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Posted - 11/02/2011 : 20:14:45
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Thanks, once again.
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