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Dusty Nelms
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 Posted - 04/04/2011 : 00:25:06
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| I'm trying to figure out the parentage and birthdate of Marthe Pedersdtr. She married Christen Hansen June 21, 1825 in Faaberg. At that time, it appears she was living at Arlien and age 25, meaning she was born about 1800. 1865 Faaberg census records show she was 70, meaning she was born abt. 1795. 1875 Gausdal census records show she was born in 1797 in Faaberg. I have not yet been able to find her death record to see age listed. It appears she is the daughter of Peder. Is there any way to determine which year she is actually born as I would like to discover actual date and her parents names. Thank you to anyone who is able to help me out with this puzzle. -Dusty |
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 04/04/2011 : 03:21:17
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Here are a couple of Marthe(a)'s born to Peders in your time frame. See if they have common information with the census records and they may be a fit. Third on left
Last one on left
If you are sure on the "e" spelling then ignore the "a"'s
Here is one that was a twin Middle Left with Svend |
Edited by - davidcarlsen on 04/04/2011 03:30:19 |
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Dusty Nelms
Medium member
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Posted - 04/04/2011 : 04:00:01
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| Her name has always been shown with an "e" at the end in the records that I know are her. The birth record where she is listed as a twin could possibly be her as the time period fits for her age listed in the marriage record. However, her year of birth is different in the two census records and that is why I have the question. I'm wondering if there is someway to confirm that this would actually be her. Thank you for your help! It's another clue to the puzzle. -Dusty |
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davidcarlsen
Senior member
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Posted - 04/04/2011 : 04:35:28
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| Look at the census records and see if there are any people in common among the witnesses for the christening records. This would strengthen the case for one. Work back or forward from any one of those record links a couple of years and see if there are any other siblings who are also common to the census records. That would be a big one. Hope one of the really excellent Norwegian posters comes along soon and gives you some additional info - they can read the whole record better than I can. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/04/2011 : 08:35:00
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The parish records in this area and time periode do not give the best possibilities to find the parentage and birthdate.
Confirmation records do not give either age or parents, baptismal records for their children only give parents given names and where they were living, this couple obviously move around a bit.
I assume you at least have one child, witnesses could be of interest - find as many children as possible (may also be difficult) and see if som of the witnesses are the same ones.
Assuming the twin Marthe, born at Fliflet and bapt March 7 1800 is a good candidate, the boy Hans born Febr 2 1827, see #20, has parents then living at Lien (Fliflet is noted along with the parents names) - could he be Christen Hansen and Marthe Pedersdatters first son?
If so, Marthe = Martha in the 1801 census could be the one you are looking for, her parents were Peder Gunmundsen and Guri Olsdatter.
Find more children for possible confirmation.
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Dusty Nelms
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Posted - 04/04/2011 : 19:22:01
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| Regarding this family...I have a question about census records. If this Marthe is my person and was born in Flifleth, I look at the 1801 census records and then page forward. The next farm listed is Straete, then Lien (where Hans was born who is a relation - proven by confirmation records), then Urlien (where Christen was living at time of his marriage) and then Arlien (where Marthe was living at time of her marriage). Does this mean the farms were all located close to each other since they are basically listed one after the next (except for Straete) and if so, it seems like this could very well be my person. Or, are the farms usually just listed randomly in the census records? Or possibly was Lien the main farm and Urlien and Arlien are pieces of the original farm that was sold off as the owner possibly needed money, meaning the farms would be all located quite close together? -Dusty |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/04/2011 : 20:25:10
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Some farms have obviously a different spelling today, but you may be interested to see this section of a map where you can find Fliflet, Stręte, Arlia and Urdlia.
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Dusty Nelms
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 01:28:02
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| Is the current farm of Arlia what use to be Arlien and the current farm of Urdlia what use to be Urlien? If so, it doesn't appear there is too much of a distance between them and Fliflet. -Dusty |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 06:53:37
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| Right guess, the distance between the farms seems to be about 1 mile. |
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Dusty Nelms
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 14:31:53
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| Thank you for your information that was very helpful! -Dusty |
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Dusty Nelms
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 15:37:26
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Originally posted by eibache
The parish records in this area and time periode do not give the best possibilities to find the parentage and birthdate.
Confirmation records do not give either age or parents, baptismal records for their children only give parents given names and where they were living, this couple obviously move around a bit.
I assume you at least have one child, witnesses could be of interest - find as many children as possible (may also be difficult) and see if som of the witnesses are the same ones.
Assuming the twin Marthe, born at Fliflet and bapt March 7 1800 is a good candidate, the boy Hans born Febr 2 1827, see #20, has parents then living at Lien (Fliflet is noted along with the parents names) - could he be Christen Hansen and Marthe Pedersdatters first son?
If so, Marthe = Martha in the 1801 census could be the one you are looking for, her parents were Peder Gunmundsen and Guri Olsdatter.
Find more children for possible confirmation.
It appears to me, in finding this Han's confirmation record, that he may not be the Hans in my family afer all. Could you possibly look at his confirmation record, which is #2 May 22, 1842 (Faberg) and tell me what you think the parents names are? It appears to be Christian ? and Marit rather than Christen and Marthe. If this is the case, "my" Marthe may not be the child of Peder and Guri after all. I had found a Hans, born March 21, 1830, who does appear to be "my" Christen and Marthe's child, after finding the confirmation record. Thank you, Dusty |
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