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davidcarlsen
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 Posted - 28/04/2011 : 23:50:43
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Where did you find birth info for Nicolai?
Best wishes for a speedy recovery |
Edited by - davidcarlsen on 28/04/2011 23:56:32 |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 29/04/2011 : 10:19:37
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Thank you David.
A good night sleep was good for me.
I found info. about Nicolay Arnesen born about 1746 i Norddal to Arne Engeseth, probably by a submitter, here
Nicolai was bap. April 1746, right page 3. section from the bottom here
...Arne Engesets Barn kaldet (Child named) Nicolay (then follows 4 "Faddere" godparents)
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Kċarto
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Posted - 29/04/2011 : 10:33:29
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Found another interseting record.
A few weeks after a childbirth the mother was "introduseret" introdused to the church congregation in a ceremony where she was met at the entrance by the priest and led into the church, see 1. page 3. chapter from top:
Nicolais mother, not mentioned by name, was introdused on Dom: Rogate, 5, Sunday after Easter, Mai 16. 1746 as;
Arne Enge=sets kone
Arne Enge=sets wife.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 29/04/2011 : 12:16:09
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Otto Rasmussen died on Hessen Dec. 31. 1828, buried Jan 3.
Occ. Kmd, abbreviation for Kaarmand.
The meaning of Kaarmand-Kaarkone;
As owners of Hessen when the farm was handed ower to a heir a legal contract was set up which secured Otto and Anna Beathe free support from the owners of Hessen for the rest of their life.
Otto RasmusSĝn, see #11
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 29/04/2011 : 17:53:11
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so if I am reading this introduction record correctly, Niels Thalis wife was also introduced and Anne Bertelsd was excused for missing communion - what does the 141 mean after her name. I also see she was excused again the next week and the number is 110 - is that the number of people who were at church?
Thanks for the help on what some of the words mean. I wouldn't have identified Nicolay's birth record because it doesn't have the usual type of structure. What is the word right before Arne's name in that record - that may help me to recognize similar records in the future.
I will have to start working backwards looking for a marriage record for Arne to get the wife's name |
Edited by - davidcarlsen on 29/04/2011 17:56:22 |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 29/04/2011 : 19:48:56
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The word before Arne.
Dom: Rogationum .....introduseret (introdused) Arne Enge-sets kone.
Not sure,but I think your answere is very sensible, number of people at church (never thought of it, every day is a learning);
Com: is an abbrevition for Communion "Nattverd" Eucharist.
Com:105, 141 and 110.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 29/04/2011 : 22:24:08
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Dom: Dominica is Latin for Sunday
Dom: Rogate - Rogationum, Latin for 5. Sunday after Easter
Com: Commonion, Latin for Eucharist.
To introduce a woman after a childbirth was mandated in Norway until 1754, since then the practice was voluntary and disappeared gradually.
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 30/04/2011 : 00:22:52
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| I was referring to the word before Arne's name in the baptism record for Nicolay - may be it is a word the means "also" or the like and makes it refer back to the "Dobt" that is before the entry for a child baptised on the same day and listed just before the Nicolay record. I am always scanning for that word but would have missed it as it wasn't right before the Arne Engeseth reference on Nicolay's entry |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 30/04/2011 : 00:41:41
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I found this familytree, the owner tells the info comes from Norddal Bygdbok published 1997, a local book where the farms and the people who lived there in the past are mentioned.
Nicolai Arnesen Engeseth 1746 or Nicolai Inder-eide married 1. time 1767 to Mette Haagensdatter Lĝvold on Dom. 2. p. Trinit, June 28.
Right page 6. chapter from top; ... Nicolaj Indereide med Mette Haagensdatter Lĝvold, here
They got three children, Mette died 1779 and Nicolai married Anne Nielsdatter August 21 same year, records not found.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 30/04/2011 : 00:50:43
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Not sure about the meaning of the word in front of Arne.
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 30/04/2011 : 01:45:41
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| thanks for the info on Nicolai and Mette. I have records for children of Nicolai and Anne so I will contact the person with this tree and see if there is info we can trade |
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 30/04/2011 : 02:51:49
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| "Nicolai married Anne Nielsdatter August 21 same year". Where did you see that in the tree information you referred to? |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 30/04/2011 : 11:58:21
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I found the marriage info here
Spell:
Nicolai Arnesen spose Anne, Norway
The records from 1779 don´t seems to exist, I wonder if the date about that Mette died 1779 and the 1779 wedding is from a probate register (not online).
The probateregisters will be online within a few years based on volunteers.
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 01/05/2011 : 00:57:02
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| This is a very interesting one because my information shows the daughter Cicilia born in 1779 to Nicolai - Here . If Mette died 1779, Anne was married in 1779 and Cicilia was born 1779, that was pretty fast work and I would only want to see actual parish records to show the dates on this one before I would be confident of what I was claiming. In any event, this whole part of the family is a brother of my 3GGM, Andrine Salmunds, dau of Salmund Neilsen who is the main focus of my search for records so I can find his parents. |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 02/05/2011 : 00:02:13
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Just a guess since the records for weddings and funerals from 1777 to 1803 are gone;
I think Mette Hagensdatter Lĝvold died earlier.
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Marriage Date - Neils Salmund AnneOttosd MoR
