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janetsmith
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 Posted - 20/06/2011 : 16:57:00
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Looking for information about ships that my Grandfather sailed on from 1898 through 1903. Anders was a Tjome , Norway Native born on September 16, 1883. Sailed on a ship called the Alma (out of London) for sure in 1900 according to the Norway census.
By 1904 he immigrated to America and settled in Marine City Michigan where he lived the rest of his life. He sailed the Great Lakes from 1904 - 1918. Sail on Steamer Geo King, Steamer Walter Scranton , Steamer Wm Edenborn and possible a steamer called the Henrietta. He sailed with a Captain Gus Englehart. I am looking for crew information for the ship he sail.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks,
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Hopkins
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/06/2011 : 19:09:28
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Hi,
At www.genealogybank.com in the hsitorical newspapers section, shipping news category for 1900 there are 192 mentions of "Alma" you mght find information about that ship, the ship owners or captain and shipping schedules. Not sure where you may go for other ships/ captains/ employers, except perhaps that he may have stuck with a particular ship, captain or shipping line.
Good Luck,
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janetsmith
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Kåarto
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Posted - 20/06/2011 : 23:49:52
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Hi.
Add. information:
In Norway the deck crew has 4 titles, Dekksgutt, Jungmann, Lettmatros and Matros.
Anders Andersen as Jungmann was in his 2. year as seaman.
"Alma fra Tønsberg" I read it as Alma was registered in the neighboring municipality Tønsberg.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 20/06/2011 23:51:15 |
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janetsmith
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Posted - 21/06/2011 : 03:08:49
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| Thanks for all the information! Does that mean that he has been on the Alma for two years? Or he has been a working as a seaman for two years? That could very well be that this ship is registered in Norway. Is there anywhere I can find that out for sure about Norwegian registered ships? |
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eibache
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Posted - 21/06/2011 : 07:29:52
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In the 1900 census Anders father is listed with his second wife, the mother of the three children listed in the census was Ingeborg Helene Jakobsen.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/06/2011 : 08:41:02
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My descriptiom of the deck crew was a bit unclear.
It has four levels in Norway;
Dekksgutt (Deck boy)
Jungmann
Lettmatros (Ordinary seaman)
Matros (Able seaman).
Anders as Jungmann had reached level two and sailed in his 2. year.
The information don´t tell if he had served on Alma in his firts year.
I read it as he did not singed on in Tønsberg but that Alma was from Tønsberg .
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/06/2011 : 09:36:12
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Hi,
Alma was a Norwegian cargo ship, reg. Tønsberg town, with a total crew of 11, recidence (temporary); Reur-Tems.
Note sure about the meaning of Reur-Tems, perhaps "Retur" Return from Themsen, London?
The crew.
Shipmaster, one Officer, one Steward, three Able seams, one Shipcarpenter, one Ordinary sailor, two Jungmann and a Deck boy.
Shipmaster was Edvard Lorentz Bonde 1848-1924, from Nøtterø at Tønsberg.
Reg. date Dec. 12. 1900, Tønsberg customs, see here.
Kåre
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/06/2011 : 11:58:50
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A possible Alma could be this Bark Alma.
Open window nr 3 down page for Alma Tønsberg.
A brief summary.
Build 1865 by T. Hansen, Tønsberg, 430 netto tons (433 in the 1900 census).
"Mål" Measure in feet; lenght, widt, height.
Rebuild 1873-1896.
Working area: Baltic sea "Usikker hva det betyr" Uncertain what it means.
Final destiny: Of rigged 1909.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 21/06/2011 12:24:50 |
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janetsmith
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 05:18:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
A possible Alma could be this Bark Alma.
Open window nr 3 down page for Alma Tønsberg.
A brief summary.
Build 1865 by T. Hansen, Tønsberg, 430 netto tons (433 in the 1900 census).
"Mål" Measure in feet; lenght, widt, height.
Rebuild 1873-1896.
Working area: Baltic sea "Usikker hva det betyr" Uncertain what it means.
Final destiny: Of rigged 1909.
Kåre
Do you know what "Bark" means for type of ship? Jan |
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eibache
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 08:37:37
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Bark
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Edited by - eibache on 22/06/2011 08:41:10 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 10:07:58
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Hi.
Alma with a lenght of 137,9 feet was probably 3 mastered.
The characteristics of a Bark was that the rear mast was a "Gaffelrigg" Fork-rigg, also called Mesanmast
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Edited by - Kåarto on 22/06/2011 10:09:07 |
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janetsmith
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Posted - 22/06/2011 : 17:41:47
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| You guys have been great! Thanks so much for all your help! |
Janet Smith |
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Anders Andersen - Tjome Norway
