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James E Heg
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 Posted - 29/05/2002 : 23:53:40
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Børge - My G-Grandmother made this voyage. There seems to be a bit of a mix-up in your passenger list. One of my distant rels, whose family also made this voyage, has a web site about Telemark. He recently sent me some info about the Einung group that embarked in this ship.
"---. All persons entering or leaving a parish (Dall Parish for example) signed in or out. ---. In 1842, the 10 members of the EINUNG family "checked out" with a destination of America. The 10 in the Einung family were:
Jacob Olsen Einung, age 43
Anne, age 44
Susan, age 21 (twin)
Anne, age 21 (twin)
Auslaug, age 17
Ole, age 14
Jon, age 11
Gunhild, age 9 (my G-grandmother)
Gro, age 6
Østen, age 21/2
Your passenger list does not show Anne, age 44,and shows the twin, Anne, as age age 1. We know the following: Wife Anne, age 44 died during the voyage as did the Twin, Anne. The cause of death was cholera. Susanne survived the voyage.
I note that some of the children's ages vary by about a year. This is probably because of the time lapse from "checking out" until the compilation of the passenger list. Note that Østen had aged by 6 months. I may soon have more name info on wife, Anne.
Does this help, or just cause pain? I think the end game is to get it right. Jim
Erik Bye is a friend of mine.
Edited by - James E Heg on 29/05/2002 23:55:29 |
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 30/05/2002 : 20:07:25
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Posted - 30/05/2002 : 18:31:35
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As promised. Jaboc Einung's wife was Anne jonsdatter Saaleim, alternate spelling Såheim and/or Søum
The basic information related in my original msg was taken from Utvendrarregister for Tinn, according to my source. Jim Heg
Erik Bye is a friend of mine.
Edited by - James E Heg on 30/05/2002 18:55:26
Jim, I checked the copy I have of the original list, and you are right, Anne should be age 21, the "2" is almost faded away so it was omitted when I transcribed the list. There are no "lines" in the list, so hard to tell if the "died on the voyage" notes was for Anne or Susanne, I will make the corrections. When it comes to Anne Johnsdatter she is actually on our transcribed list as passenger no. 168 - Anne Johnsdatter - 44 - f - Died on the voyage. That is the way it was entered on the original list, I will upload some scans later on. 
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James E Heg
Member of honor
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Posted - 30/05/2002 : 21:58:56
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According to my info nine died on the voyage and another thirty went from the ship to the hospital.
Do you suppose that in trying to beat the 1819 (?) US Regulations the Captain simply omitted some who died? It seems a lot of passengers for one schooner of that day. Hilsen Jim
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Borge
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Posted - 30/05/2002 : 22:42:11
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According to my info nine died on the voyage and another thirty went from the ship to the hospital.
Do you suppose that in trying to beat the 1819 (?) US Regulations the Captain simply omitted some who died? It seems a lot of passengers for one schooner of that day. Hilsen Jim
Jim
I think they might have omitted them if they were born on the voyage and died before reaching land, but I no not know if they would try to fix the lists. However, it is a good point, If the information we have about the burden of this ship is correct, the tonnage was only 138 register tons. I know the way of calculating the tonnage was changes about 1835 from the B.O.M standard to the "New Measurement" which lasted till 1854. I will have to check this more closely later to see if I can find the proper equivalent to the 66 Commercial Lasts the Ellida was measured to.
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James E Heg
Member of honor
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Posted - 31/05/2002 : 01:34:25
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Børge - We know that Capt. Ancherson in EMILIE once dressed a few as sailors to get his manifest to meet the law. At least that is info I have found. I guess it depends on how the US officials were feeling on a given day. Jim
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Borge
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Posted - 01/06/2002 : 23:08:53
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Jim
Yes, I guess that proves that it did happen, but i doubt it if they could do it in a very big scale, as there were limits for how many members a crew would usually consist of. Someone should have become suspicious if a small schooner or brig were to arrive with a crew of 20-30 persons or more. What we do not know is if the customs officers were venal or not, there was big money in this business. What strikes me on the Ellida passenger list is that the column for tonnage was not filled in, just left open. (I am not able to get the list scanned now, because it does not fit in my scanner)
Could it also be a possibility that some of those who were hospitalized died in the hospital and were counted for in the numbers you got?
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Schooner ELLIDA - 1842
