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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 03/11/2011 : 15:04:27
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I have located a death record for a young Salve (Salvesen) Hage who died in Buenos Aires, South America in October 1868 that I cannot completely read because of the handwriting. I'm hoping someone can help me decipher the words in the column for 'Full name and position of the deceased' and in the column for 'If cause of death was a contageous disease, then which disease, or if cause of death was an accident'.
His death entry is listed in the parish records for Skudeneshavn, Rogaland (his parents' home) as record #92 on page 339. He was 16 years old when he died.
Young Salve Hage's death
I already have this young man's birth, baptism, vaccination, confirmation and his entry in the 1865 Norwegian census. I know his parents, siblings and his entire family history. The death record is what I would appreciate your help with. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 16:11:08
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Not easy to read Salves occupation.
Salve died of "sjørbug" (skjørbuk) scurvy.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 04/11/2011 10:02:41 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 16:58:34
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Thank you KÃ¥re! I agree that the handwriting was very very difficult and I appreciate your working to help me with it.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 18:32:48
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Styrmand
Navigat(i)on
mate - navigation ??
Jan Peter
Btw; Scurvy is a deficiency disease, and is caused by lack of vitamin C (ascorbic acid).
The disease developes after 4-7 months with a diet lacking citrus, and was the cause of death for many sailors, before they found the root cause.
The solution was to add oranges and lemons into the diet... |
Edited by - jwiborg on 03/11/2011 19:00:32 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 19:11:24
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That could be a better translation.
To be a mate/navigator at age 17.
He was too young.
Perhaps he was in training to be educated to a navigator /mate?
Was Salves father or one in the nearby family a shipowner?
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 20:24:26
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Thank you too, Jan Peter. Your input is also appreciated.
Yes, the boy's father was Salve Arnbjørnsen Hage (1803-1870) who was a merchant and ship owner in Skudeneshavn. The entire family was involved in those businesses, including sons and sons-in-law.
I can share a link to the 1865 Norwegian census for the family as a quick summary.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=1150&kenr=013&bnr=0055&lnr=000
I'm trying to explain family information to my cousins who have many many questions beyond the basic "family tree" so I'm just digging a little deeper in some areas.
Thanks again. |
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Magnar Hjelmeland
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Norway
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 20:56:15
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| Hi, I am also read (Styrmand Navigatør) navigator, Hard to believe that a 16 year old boy could call himself a navigator. Not sure what law was at that time, in the 1960 you had to be 21 to be on your own duty, at list in foreign trade. Magnar. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 21:10:59
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Thank you Magnar.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 21:21:03
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The Norwegian 1865 census contain 88 men at the age of 20 or younger, with the occupation "Styrmand". The youngest is 16:
16 y.o.: 1
17 y.o.: 2
18 y.o.: 5
19 y.o.: 17
20 y.o.: 63
I think that in a family where the whole business is about merchandise and shipping, he would already have been on ships for years at the age of 16, and thus learned the profession "the hard way"...
The father Salve Hage was, as a ship owner and a merchant with commercial citizenship a prosperous person in the community, and most likely a little "posh"... It was probably the parents who informed the priest about the deceased's occupation, and they could have exaggerated a little, for a better posthumous reputation...
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Edited by - jwiborg on 03/11/2011 21:48:16 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2011 : 23:10:28
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| I was thinking the same thing. The report to the parish priest could easily have been "polished" a bit. The boy completed his church confirmation when he was almost 15 years old so probably began his career on the sea shortly after that. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 23:25:15
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Hi,
But wasn't the connection between Vitamin C and scurvy known then? British sailors were called "limeys" because of their methods of dealing with it involved lime juice....
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 00:54:10
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| No, that connection wasn't proven until the early 1900s. There are articles available online about that history... when in doubt check Wikipedia for the quick answer but remember that information should be double checked with other sources. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 03:25:57
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Hi,
Well apparently it was hinted at (1497 Vasco da Gama!), with common sensical practice (1780s Cook's voyages), requiring lemons as treatment in the Royal Navy from 1799 on but didnot become a "settled" question until 1932! Interesting story:
http://idlewords.com/2010/03/scott_and_scurvy.htm
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