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davidlasch
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  17:03:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=f60103&gardpostnr=22&personpostnr=448&merk=448#ovre

on lines #11 and #12 - I am unsure who the father is of them? Fritz might be the son of Petter? but who is Petter the son of? What does Hoker mean?

thank you.
David

eibache
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  17:45:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Petter Vilhelm (blacksmith) is the son of høker Arnesen (Høker is an old term for a merchant with limited rights.)
Fritz Emil is Petter Vilhelms son.
Baptismal records should prove this.
Einar
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  17:53:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Since Petter is the only Smedsvend on the page, I'd guess Friz Emil is his son.

My dictionary says høker is an old form word for merchant. Later the word was used for "chandler". Might also be an unfortunate read of a first name--Haakon / Haagen or something like that.
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eibache
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  18:08:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Baptismal record for Peter Vilhelm is #13 his parents were Hjulmager Friderich Arnesen (Brændeviinshandler (= høker) Carl Frederik Arnesen in the 1865 census) and Birthe Kirstine Jensdatter i Byen.
Einar
Edited by - eibache on 04/05/2012 18:09:36
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davidlasch
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  18:12:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been looking for the baptismal records for Fritz and can not find them. He seems to be gone before the 1875 census also.

Petter Vilhelm is #33
Source information: Østfold county, Fredrikstad, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1816-1834), Birth and baptism records 1834-1835, page 350-351.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7451&idx_id=7451&uid=ny&idx_side=-175
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061016030662.jpg
David
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davidlasch
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  18:14:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thank you - we must be thinking alike today! but you are right it is 13 not 33 as I said.
David
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davidlasch
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  18:22:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Source information: Østfold county, Fredrikstad, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1857-1878), Birth and baptism records 1862, page 36.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6216&idx_id=6216&uid=ny&idx_side=-35
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060927060467.jpg

#47 - i was missing him - he is Alfred Emil
mother is Christine Jensdatter?
David
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davidlasch
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  18:58:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Source information: Østfold county, Fredrikstad, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1857-1878), Death and burial records 1869, page 338.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6216&idx_id=6216&uid=ny&idx_side=-260
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060927070109.jpg

line #14 I think is the father Carl Fredrik Arnesen - can you tell if he died before his wife from this record?
David
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eibache
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  19:41:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
#47 - i was missing him - he is Alfred Emil
mother is Christine Jensdatter?
- Alfred Emil was born out of wedlock - I read the mother as Christine Jansdatter, a confirmation record could give info.
Einar
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eibache
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  19:50:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
line #14 I think is the father Carl Fredrik Arnesen - can you tell if he died before his wife from this record?
- I read Handlende Carl Fredriks Kone Arnesen 73 Aar - his wife was 70 years old in the 1865 census (=1866) - when she died in 1869 it is reasonable that she was the one being 73 years.
Einar
Edited by - eibache on 04/05/2012 22:55:57
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davidlasch
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  20:14:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oh so you think this record is for his wife not Carl Fredrik? Kone means wife - so that would mean he would have still be alive?
David
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eibache
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Posted - 04/05/2012 :  22:56:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's how I read it.
Einar
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