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bmcnallie
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Posted - 16/07/2012 :  23:42:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You have been very helpful on questions that I have asked in the past and was hoping you could lead me in the right direction for this question.

I have a 1875 Census found on Familysearch.org. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X7N3-344

These are some of my husbands ancestors. We know that Thorsten and Lisabet are the parents of Thorsten, Krsitane and Thea (as well as a few others). What seems to be confusing is who is the mother and or father of Emil and Theodor?

I was just assuming that they were the children of Thea and that Thea may or may not have been married in the past. Then she came to live with her parents bringing the boys assuming HER father's name and giving it to her boys. Is there any place to find birth records? or are those some of the missing years? Thanks.

Barb

Kåarto
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Posted - 17/07/2012 :  00:16:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The mother of Emil and Theodor is Thea Thorstensdatter Braaten age 28, unmarried and supported by her father.

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 17/07/2012 00:21:05
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jkmarler
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Posted - 17/07/2012 :  00:20:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unfortunately, Aasness is one place where large span of years of he parish registers are missing due to fire. Otherwise, all parish registers are available and searchable at the Norwegian Digitalarkivet
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/07/2012 :  00:32:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For Emil b. Oct. 27. 1871 only the mother is reg. in the churc book
For Theodor b. Feb. 26. 1874 the father is reg as Ug Inderst (Unmarried Lodger), see #11

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 17/07/2012 00:34:19
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 18/07/2012 :  01:55:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you. That is the information I needed.

Barb
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Kåarto
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Posted - 18/07/2012 :  11:15:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have you seen this?.

Åsnes 1900, farm Svesæterbraaten.
Theodor: farmer and lodgerman.
Emil: Railroadworker and lumberman, temporary living in Oslo.
Thea: Houskeeper and mother.

Kåre
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MayB
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Posted - 06/01/2013 :  00:31:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto

Have you seen this?.

Åsnes 1900, farm Svesæterbraaten.
Theodor: farmer and lodgerman.
Emil: Railroadworker and lumberman, temporary living in Oslo.
Thea: Houskeeper and mother.

Kåre


Hi!
I stumbled over this page more or less by accident, and was quite surprised when I saw this post.
I live on Svesæterbråten, and my great grandfather Marius Tørrisen Svesæterbraaten did also live here. How are Theodor and Emil related to him?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/01/2013 :  01:15:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marius Tørrisen Svesæterbraaten in Census-1910.
Born 09 Feb 1873.

Christening record #11, 1873.
Father: Unmarried farmer.
Mother: girl Helene Hansdtr.

Marius Torrissen, Knappumteppen farm in Åsnes, Hedmark
Census-1875.

Jan Peter
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MayB
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Posted - 06/01/2013 :  01:27:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you! This is so cool! :)
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/01/2013 :  01:35:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The marriage record between Marius Tørrisen and Sofie Ottosdtr on 09 Sep 1898 says his father is Tørris Iversen.

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bmcnallie
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Posted - 06/01/2013 :  23:51:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We know that Theodore and Emil Pederson Braaten and their mother, Thea, were living at the Svesæterbraaten farm in 1900. Is there any way to tell if there was anyone else living at the farm at that time? Maybe Marius Torrisen was there also???

Barb
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/01/2013 :  00:05:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
His farm address when he married was Knappum and it was still the farm he resided in 1900:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f00425&gardpostnr=353&merk=353#ovre

The other Svesæterbraaten is full of people with the last name Knappum:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f00425&gardpostnr=361&merk=361#ovre

Edited by - jkmarler on 07/01/2013 00:10:30
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 07/01/2013 :  01:52:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There has to be a connection between these two farms. The mother of Thea was Elisabet Torrisdatter Knappum. (this was discussed in this thread: http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5361&whichpage=1 So she must have been born or living on this farm in the early 1800's. She and her husband, Thorstein Pederson are listed on the 1865 census and 1875 census as living on the Braaten farm. I am wondering if Marius Torrisen is somehow related to Elisabet...(maybe she was his aunt.) since he in later life then moved to the Braaten farm.

Barb
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/01/2013 :  11:44:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Arne Pederson Knappum owned one of the 2 farms. You might be able to glean a few names and dates from the property part of Digitized Real Estate records for Svesæterbraaten. Knappum itself is much bigger, many, many more pages. To get there at Digitalarkivet click on digitized real estate:

Gnr 104, Bnr 6
Source information: Protocol number: 3. serie, III, Place: Solør sorenskriveri, Åsnes tinglag, Location: SAH
Remarks: Åsnes. Gnr. 062/01-108/18. Også tilleggsregister. Aut. 1901.
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-tl20071123321279.jpg
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:tl_read?idx_id=14138&uid=ny&idx_side=-639

Gnr 104, Bnr 4
Source information: Protocol number: 3. serie, III, Place: Solør sorenskriveri, Åsnes tinglag, Location: SAH
Remarks: Åsnes. Gnr. 062/01-108/18. Også tilleggsregister. Aut. 1901.
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-tl20071123321274.jpg
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:tl_read?idx_id=14138&uid=ny&idx_side=-634
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MayB
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Posted - 07/01/2013 :  16:43:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bmcnallie

There has to be a connection between these two farms. The mother of Thea was Elisabet Torrisdatter Knappum. (this was discussed in this thread: http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5361&whichpage=1 So she must have been born or living on this farm in the early 1800's. She and her husband, Thorstein Pederson are listed on the 1865 census and 1875 census as living on the Braaten farm. I am wondering if Marius Torrisen is somehow related to Elisabet...(maybe she was his aunt.) since he in later life then moved to the Braaten farm.


This is quite interresting for sure. Marius' fathers name is Tørris Iversen, and in those days they got their name from their fathers, as Tørrisen - could Elisabeth Torris (Tørris)datter be another daughter to Tørris Iversen as her last name is Tørrisdaughter? Or any other relative?
Now, to add another confusion to the mix, my great great grandfather on my grandmothers side is also a man named Tørris Iversen (Knappumsplassen) and he was married to Karen Andrine Iversen. I wonder if it is the same guy. If so, lucky me, I am inbred I will try to check out the farms numbers and see if I can get any information. I'll post as soon as I learn something.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/01/2013 :  16:54:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are the 3 Tørris Ivers. in the 1865 census of Hedmark :

Tørris Iverson in 1865 census Hedmark
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60425&gardpostnr=616&personpostnr=3790&merk=3790#ovre

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60425&gardpostnr=471&personpostnr=2874&merk=2874#ovre

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f60426&gardpostnr=203&personpostnr=1244&merk=1244#ovre
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