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Julie Harris
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 Posted - 29/08/2012 : 00:05:44
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| I am looking for any information on my great great grandparents John Peter Toyra and Maria Allati. They had a daughter Greta (Gertie) Johanna Toyra about 1868 in Norway. In a 1900 USA censis it says that Gertie's parents were born in Norway. We don't have any other information about them. Thank You, Julie Harris |
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 00:19:19
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Gretha-Johanna
Born: 06 DEC 1868
Christening 28 MAR 1869
Parents: Johan-Petter Daura & Britha-Maria Allati
Source: Christenings in Alta parish, Finnmark 1866-1875
Census-1865 for Alta, Finnmark
Johan-P. Daura, 36, born in Alta, Finnmark
Britha Alati, wife 29, born in Alta, Finnmark
Britha Daura, daughter, 9, born in Alta, Finnmark
Eva-K. Daura, daughter, 8, born in Alta, Finnmark
Dina-S. Daura, daughter, 7, born in Alta, Finnmark
Johan-D. Daura, son, 4, born in Alta, Finnmark
Nils-Pet. Daura, son, 1, born in Alta, Finnmark
Eva Henriksdatter, widow, 72, born in Alta, Finnmark (Johan-P. Daura's mother)
Census-1875 for Alta, Finnmark
Johan Petter Tøyri, 1821, Skjærvø
Britha Maria Johansdatter, wife, 1837, Alta
Britha Maria Johansdatter, daughter, 1857, Alta
Eva Karolina Johansdatter, daughter, 1858, Alta
Stina Sofie Johansdatter, daughter, 1860, Alta
Niels Petter Johansen, son, 1865, Alta
Gretha Johanna Johansdatter, daughter, 1870, Alta
Magdalene Johansdatter, daughter, 1872, Alta, (twin)
Johan Viliam Johansen, son, 1872, Alta, (twin)
Else Lovise Johansdatter, daughter, 1875, Alta
Emigration from Trondheim on 13 Nov 1889
Johan P. Døyva 55
Brita Døyva 40
Grete Døyva 19
Kristine Døyva 10
Elias Døyva 8
Based on their names and residence, it sounds like these people could be sami people...
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Edited by - jwiborg on 29/08/2012 01:51:28 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 02:33:22
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Probably their arrival in America. I guess we turned them into Swedes on the way over. However there are only three on this ship, Johan, Johanna aged 19 and Anna aged 10
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Johan P Doyva
Arrival Date: 2 Dec 1889
Birth Year: abt 1834
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Swedish
Place of Origin: Sweden
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Alaska |
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 02:36:02
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And on a later ship are Brita and Elias age 8.
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Brita M Doyva
Arrival Date: 28 Dec 1889
Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Wisconsin |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 07:20:28
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John Peter Toyra and Maria Allati (Johan Peter Pedersen, Dauru and Britha Maria Johannesdatter) were married Aug 16 1857, see #7.
Brita Marie was born Jan 6 1837, see #24 - parents were Johan Nilsen, Allart and Berit Nilsdatter in Rafsbotn.
The confirmation record for Britha Maria is #11.
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Edited by - eibache on 29/08/2012 09:34:11 |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 08:46:52
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Greta (Gertie) Johanna Toyra (Gretha Johanna Johansdatter) was born Dec 6 1858, see #16.
John Peter Toyra (Johan Peter Pedersen) was born June 3 1832, see #29.
His parents were Peder Henriksen, Alteidet and Eva Henriksdatter.
In the confirmation record Johan Peter is listed as a kven, see #21.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 29/08/2012 09:21:02 |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 11:43:22
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Peder Henriksen, Alteidet (Per Henrichsen, Mallangseidet) and Eva Henriksdatter (Eva Henrichsdatter, Tromvigen) were married Sept 7 1828, see #3.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 29/08/2012 15:26:54 |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 15:17:48
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Johan Peters father, Peder Henriksen, was born April 29 1800, see 2nd record in 2nd column. His parents were Hendrich Pedersen and Walborg Olsdatter, in Alten.
Peder Henrichsen, his parents and siblings in 1801.
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Edited by - eibache on 29/08/2012 15:26:15 |
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Julie Harris
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 16:01:11
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| Thank you very much. This helps me a lot. Johan Peter is listed as kven, this still confuses me a bit. Are my relatives considered Finnish or Norwegian? Thank you, Julie Harris |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 16:39:53
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A tiny bit of information here.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 29/08/2012 : 22:31:45
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quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Probably their arrival in America. I guess we turned them into Swedes on the way over.
Norway was under Swedish government in 1889, so it's not completely wrong to say that they were swedish at that time....
The Union between Sweden and Norway (1814 - 1905)
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Originally posted by Julie Harris
Thank you very much. This helps me a lot. Johan Peter is listed as kven, this still confuses me a bit. Are my relatives considered Finnish or Norwegian? Thank you, Julie Harris
Johan Peter and his family are born in or around Alta, Finnmark, Norway, so you should consider them as Norwegians. But if they are Kven people, they must have Finnish heritage. Maybe Johan Peter's g.father was a Finnish immigrant to Alta?
It's not only the Norwegians and Sami people that reside in Finnmark. At the end of the 1800s there was a large immigration of Finns (or Kven as they were called).
Famine in the inner lands of todays Finland resulted in the migration to the coast at the fish-rich Barents Sea. The kven people retained their language and traditions. There are still people in Finnmark that are Kven native speakers. Many Kvens spoke only the kven language, but the census shows that there are Kven people that can only understand and write Norwegian.
Would you know the mother language Gertie spoke?
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Julie Harris
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Posted - 30/08/2012 : 01:37:17
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| Jan Peter, I have an Aunt who is 94 years old who would have known her Grandmother Gertie. I am going to ask her if she remembers what language she spoke. Thank you for all the information and I will let you know what I find out about the language. I am going to try to find out who Hendrich Pedersen's parents were and so on to see where they come from. Thank you again, Julie Harris |
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eibache
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Posted - 30/08/2012 : 07:11:19
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Widower Henrich Pedersen, Alten and Walborg Olsdatter were married June 16 1799, see 5th record, right page.
Their daughter Regine was born April 25 1807, see 1st record left column.
The son Isaach was born May 5 1812, see 3rd record from bottom of right page.
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eibache
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Posted - 30/08/2012 : 07:19:38
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Henrich Pedersen was first married to Berith Olsdatter, Talvig, Easter Sunday (April 20) 1794, see 2nd record on left page.
Henrich Pedersen was baptized Oct 11 1761, see 7th record on right page.
His parents were Peder Henrichsen and Eli Henrichsdatter.
Peder Henrichsen and Eli Henrichsdatter were married July 13 1760, see last record on right page.
Peder Henrichsen was baptizes Aug 29 1734, see last record on right page, continuing on next page. His parents were Henrich Olsen and Regina Mathisdatter.
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eibache
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Posted - 30/08/2012 : 08:19:51
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Henrich Pedersens siblings:
Abraham baptized Febr 2 1765.
Mathis born 1767.
Ole born in June 1768, see 4th record from bottom of right page.
Isach was baptized July 29 1772, see 1st record on left page.
Anders born approx 1776.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 30/08/2012 08:35:43 |
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Julie Harris
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Posted - 04/09/2012 : 20:59:31
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| Thank you Einar |
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John Peter Toyra
