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JLM
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Australia
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 Posted - 06/02/2013 : 08:52:49
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Can anyone assist me with a ship builder around 1860 or later by the name of Karl Olsen (born 1835 and listed as a Skibsbygmester in one census) who may have been a ships Captain as well who built ships at a site around 300 metre from the shops on the river if you go away from the bridge. Also on the same side of the river or stream..
If there are any relatives of said Karl there is an Olsen reunion in Australia in March 2013 at majorca in Central Victoria Australia.
karl was married to Elen Engebretsen and they had Andreas Helfred Karlsen born 1864 and a daughter Engerta born 1861. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/02/2013 : 09:05:02
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Karl Olsen and his family in 1865.
Shipscarpenter Carl Christian Olsen, Trosvigstrand and Elen Mathea Engebretsdatter were married Oct 26 1860 in Glemmen, Østfold, #23.
Elen Mathea's father was tailor Engebret Nielsen.
Andreas Helfred was born April 30 1864 #46.
Ingerta Antonette Otilie was born Nov 9 1861, #89. |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 09/02/2013 11:00:02 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/02/2013 : 09:54:52
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Carl Christian Olsen was born Sept 25 1835, #3. His parents were Ole Martinsen and Anette Olsdatter, Kriplegrund.
Carl Christian's parents and siblings in 1865.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 06/02/2013 09:59:21 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/02/2013 : 10:23:29
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Elen Mathea (Ellen Marthea) was born April 4 1834 in Tune, #57. Her parents were Ingebreth Nielsen, Opstad and Hellene Syversdatter.
Engebrecht Nilsen, from Thunøe and Helene Syversdatter, Strømnæs were married July 24 1831, #7.
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JLM
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Australia
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Posted - 08/02/2013 : 12:23:31
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Thank you for the responses.
However I am still looking for the ship building aspect of Karl Olsen if anyone can add some light to that please.
If there are records on sailings to Australia approx 1880. Can anyone see a listing for a Andreas Olsen or Andreas Karlsen. It is likely that there will be a Johnny Leffus on the same vessel. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/02/2013 : 15:55:57
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When Ingerta Antonette Otilia was born her father Carl Christian is titled "Skibsbygmester" = shipbuilding master. When Andreas Helfred was born he is titled "Kranmester" = crane master.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2013 : 18:42:40
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The Wikipedia entry for Fredrikstad mentions a large shipyard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrikstad
Records about that company or a similar one are not likely to be in the records relating to vital church events (births, baptisms, confirmations, deaths, etc) which are available online for family history research.
If the Andreas Olsen, Andreas Karsen or Johnny Leffus were emigrating passengers from Norway then you might be able to find them in the police registers from various Norwegian ports. If they were ships crew members then they will not be in those registers. The emigration registers started being kept in the late 1860s and many of them have been extracted to online databases which you can search at the Digitalarkivet website.
Outside of that you could make efforts to look for local history groups there who may have advice about how to search out information about a ship building company and/or the employees.
It is also possible that the shipbuilding companies and industry may be discussed in local published history books such as "Glemmen bygdebok : en bygd blir til by" by Elsa Thowsen, Erling Johansen, Thorstein Johnsen; "Fredrikstad bys historie" by Martin Dehli; or "Fredrikstad gamlebyen og festningen".
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/02/2013 : 23:41:32
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Originally posted by Hopkins
The Wikipedia entry for Fredrikstad mentions a large shipyard.
The shipyard was probably "Fredrikstad Mekaniske Verksted" (FMV) established 1870 by the two brothers Jens Andreas Knudsen and Knud Dahl.
In the glory days FMV employed ca 2500, with contractors ca 7000-8000 were depending on the yard.
The biggest ship build on FMV was an 132. 250 DWT.
The yard was closed 1998.
Add som old photos from the yard, the text is in Norwegian, link
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Edited by - Kåarto on 08/02/2013 23:43:25 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 00:29:50
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In 1865 Mastershipbuilder Karl Olsen lived in Glemminge, present Glemmen at Fredrikstad.
A shipyard in Glemmen was Glommen Mekaniske Verksted GMV established by Johan Hansen 1865 on the island Kråkerøy separated from Glemmen 1908.
GMV was the second largest yard in Fredrikstad and employed ca 330-350.
The yard closed 1980.
Little photos from the old GMV, one here, ship Soot on Half speed
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 09/02/2013 00:45:29 |
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JLM
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 06:44:52
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Thank you for the info on the ship yard and confirmation that Karl was a master Carpenter.
Would there be any photos of that era and would you know exactly where the ship yard was located?
With the info on karl is there any indication if he was self employed or worked for a ship builder?
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JLM
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 07:01:22
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Thank you all for the information being provided. Bit by bit we are getting somewhere. I had nothing for many years od searching then I got lucky when a Norwegian gentleman stayed with us and when he went home found a lot of data so we were able to get back past one Andreas Helfred Olsen - who in fact was really Karlsen by birth. There is still some mystery about the arrival in Australia as it is almost folk lore with the various possible accounts.
Thank you eibache for confirming your data with ours. I wondered if you had any clues as to how we might find a photograph of Karl or Carl and his wife Elen - if that is at all possible.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 08:41:01
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A shipyard in Glemmen was Glommen Mekaniske Verksted GMV established by Johan Hansen 1865
- according to Wikipedia established 1898 as «Fredrikstad Armaturfabrik» and soon after changed to ship repair and ship building.
Since Carl Christian was born 1835 I doubt that he was working on Glommen Mekaniske Versted about 1900.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 09:54:04
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30 ship carpenters and 2 master shipbuilders were living on Trosvigstranda in 1865. The area today can be seen on this map.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 09/02/2013 10:04:51 |
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JLM
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 10:20:57
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Thank for the extra input. I am finding in is all useful no matter how small the progress that is made.
JLM |
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Ships built in Fredrikstad
