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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 03/12/2013 : 00:19:12
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Runyan, Runy-almost same pron. in Norwegian as Røni- ; Rønning-Rønningen? A common farm name in Norway.
Kåre
Yes, the Runyans I looked at were Yankees or English or similar in background. "Rundunn" sounds a lot like Runyan. There are many Rønnings and Rønningens in USA; some are known in America by their patronymic only. Fox River settlement in Wisconsin was led by Ole Rønning (later spelled Rynning). A quick 3-second Google search brings up a Herbjorn Johnson Rønningen and a Gullik Johnson Rønningen. Herbjorn lived in Ridgeway, Iowa. Neither would be related to Betzy, but certainly that's a plausible possible name for her. |
Edited by - JaneC on 03/12/2013 00:25:54 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2013 : 00:57:29
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Well here is something weird. No farms in Hordaland that start with "Rønning" in the 1865 census:
farm name gard: rønning, rønningan, rønningen, rønningenspladsen, rønninger, rønningerne, rønninghaugen, rønningkjæret, rønningløkken, rønningsaasen, rønningsbak, rønningsbakken, rønningsberg, rønningsberget, rønningsbraaten, rønningsgjerdet, rønningshaug, rønningshaugen, rønningsløkken, rønningsmo, rønningsmoe, rønningsmoen, rønningssletten, rønningsstuen, rønningssveen, rønningstad, rønningstadengen, rønningstøkket, rønningsveen, rønningsviig
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Fylke Antall
Østfold 5
Akershus 5
Oslo 0
Hedmark 84
Oppland 43
Buskerud 12
Vestfold 12
Telemark 67
Aust-Agder 26
Vest-Agder 1
Rogaland 1
Hordaland 0
Sogn og Fjordane 0
Møre og Romsdal 24
Sør-Trøndelag 86
Nord-Trøndelag 56
Nordland 1
Troms 0
Finnmark 1
Totalt 424
Maybe some with rønning as part of a longer name or perhaps a different spelling?
Okay here's another way to look at it. Last name including "Rønning"
etternavn: frønning, grønning, grønningsæter, rønning, rønningen, sørvigsrønningen, trønningsdahl
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Fylke Antall
Østfold 8
Akershus 1
Oslo 13
Hedmark 3
Oppland 2
Buskerud 8
Vestfold 1
Telemark 1
Aust-Agder 1
Vest-Agder 10
Rogaland 2
Hordaland 7
Sogn og Fjordane 0
Møre og Romsdal 24
Sør-Trøndelag 215
Nord-Trøndelag 36
Nordland 15
Troms 12
Finnmark 2
Totalt 361
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Total from Hordalnd
1201 Bergen 4 (no girls in the household last name Grønning)
1246 Fjeld sogn (i Fjel 1
1247 Askøen sogn (i Fje 1
1263 Lindaas 1
Totalt 7
Then after the last name includes "Rønning" you select birth years of 1848-1852:
fodeaar: 1848, 1849, 1850, 1851, 1852
Fylke Antall
Østfold 1
Akershus 0
Oslo 0
Hedmark 0
Oppland 0
Buskerud 0
Vestfold 0
Telemark 0
Aust-Agder 0
Vest-Agder 1
Rogaland 0
Hordaland 0
Sogn og Fjordane 0
Møre og Romsdal 2
Sør-Trøndelag 18
Nord-Trøndelag 4
Nordland 1
Troms 1
Finnmark 0
Totalt 28
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2013 : 02:10:56
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I wish you would try harder. 
So it looks like that idea is going nowhere. |
Edited by - JaneC on 03/12/2013 02:15:48 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2013 : 02:26:11
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| As far as I'm concerned, nothing succeeds like excess.... |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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3020 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2013 : 02:31:23
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2013 : 03:14:33
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Okay, here's an off-the-wall possibility, #32 Berthe Johannesdatter b. Ringebo 21 Feb 1850 on Randklevrøningen to Johannes Erlandson.
Source information: Oppland county, Ringebu, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1848-1859), Birth and baptism records 1850, page 42-43.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8926&idx_id=8926&uid=ny&idx_side=-21
Her name is not Betsy, her patronymic is not Johnson, her birthdate is not 28 Feb 1850 (but close) and the farm has rønngen as part of it's name, and her place is not Bergen.
I wonder if she's got legs.... |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2013 : 05:10:54
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Mother Ingrid Hansdatter...One of the baptismal witnesses is Ole P Røbakken, Rønnoug (sp?)
Is this Johannes in 1865 in Ringebo:
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Johannes Erlands. , Huusfader, Huusmand med Jord, e (Enke/widower) , age 48, born in Froens Prgj [= born ca 1817]
Guri Johannesd. 19
Berthe Johannesd. 17
Hans Johannes. 14
Gunhild Johannesd. 9
Eli Johannesd. 6
--all children born Ringebo Prgj.
and maybe the same Johannes in 1875 in Ringebu?
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Johannes Elandsen, married, Husmand med Jord, b 1816 Froens S. Prgj.
Marit Andersdatter, hans kone, b 1827 Froens S. Prgj.
Amund Engebretsen, Marits Søn, Hjælper Foreldrene, b 1851 Froens S. Prgj.
Hans Johannesen, Jernbanearbeider, Østerd. b 1853 Ringebu
John Johannesen b 1869 Ringebu
Also in Ringebu in 1875 there is a
Berte Johannesdatter, Tjener/servant, unmarried, occupation Budeie, b 1850 Ringebu.
She's working in the household of Halvor Engebretsen.
If it's the same girl she's not in Iowa in the 1870 census. |
Edited by - JaneC on 03/12/2013 05:46:08 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2013 : 08:58:05
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Bummer, no legs. She was one of 17 in the 1865 census whose last name started with "Jo...." who lived on a farm containing "Rønning" who was born in 1850 + /- 2 years. There were none of that description born in Bergen and Berthe was the only one whose first name started with a "B"
In America Betsy can be a name by itself but most often, I think, a nickname, like Betty, of the name Elizabeth. I wonder if that's true in Norway? The name I've seen in America among Norwegians changed out for Betsy is Birgit.
At worldconnect at rootsweb checking for Norwegian names changed to Betsy in America found these examples:
Borghild, Brita, Breita, Bertha, Barbro, Brynel, Brynhild, Bernella |
Edited by - jkmarler on 03/12/2013 18:33:23 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/12/2013 : 17:56:16
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Just a thought when I saw a record on Family Search.
Alexander Anderson and Betsey Johnsons daughter Anna Anderson married Charles Miller in Boone, Iowa Feb. 3.1894.
The grooms father is John Johnson ??? 
I know there are lots of John Johnson in America, but the first that hit me was;
The grooms mother Helma Carlson was widowed and married John Johnson.
Was John Johnson Betsey Johnsons brother?
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 04/12/2013 19:52:54 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2013 : 17:59:06
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| Interesting, John Johnson might be findable in the 1895 Iowa state census... There are tons of John Johnsons just in Boone county alone, let alone any other county in Iowa. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2013 : 21:21:43
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Another remotely possible, #106 Bereth Johnsdatter b 28 Feb 1848 on farm "Ertzgaard", parents John Peterson and Sigrid Bjørnsdatter.
Source information: Nord-Trøndelag county, Stjørdal, Parish register (official) nr. 709A14 (1845-1858), Birth and baptism records 1848, page 48.
Sorry having problem to copy and paste the link will try again. No go on try 2.
This may be Bereth in the 1865 census as foster daughter to Jon Jonson on Hegre in øvre Stjørdalen.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=8&filnamn=f61712&gardpostnr=195&merk=195#ovre |
Edited by - jkmarler on 04/12/2013 21:28:41 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2013 : 21:46:19
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Here is another possible: #44 Britha Johnsdatter b 25 Feb 1850 Hosanger, parents are John Anderson & Martha Knudsdatter Totlandsvig:
Source information: Hordaland county, Hosanger, Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1849-1863), Birth and baptism records 1850, page 15.
Permanent pagelink:
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050823010758.jpg
Must be the Digitalarkivet having a problem as the permanent page link on this one also didn't copy
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/12/2013 : 21:54:12
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Another remotely possible: #25 Elisabeth Johansdatter b. 25 Feb 1850 parents are Johannes Olsen & Lisbet Larsdatter on Røtaas:
Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Tingvoll, Parish register (official) nr. 586A10 (1844-1856), Birth and baptism records 1850, page 55.
Permanent pagelink:
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050615010297.jpg
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/12/2013 : 09:11:06
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There were 808 children born in Bergen 1850.
The only girl born. Feb. 28. was;
Georgine Wilhelmine, father; Jørgen Wilhelm Rudoplp.
The link to children born in Bergen 1850
"Betsy Johnson" em. ca 150 years ago.
An option is that she was born nearby Bergen.
Another option is that she was born on a farm that contains the name Bergen.
I experienced the same earlier this year helping a woman in USA where Bergen was stated as birthplace on her ancestor, but she was born on farm Berge in Voss parish, but em. via Bergen.
Betsy R. Johnson may also indicate that her father was R. Johnson.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/12/2013 : 10:27:28
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We have perhaps mentioned this candidate before?
Kristine Elisabeth Eliasdatter b. on farm Bjurbekmo Feb. 28. 1850 in Nord Rana.
Parents; Elias Johanesen and Rebekka Christensdatter.
She was conf. 1865 #30
I can`t find her in the 1875 census for Nord Rana. The parents still lived on Bjurbekmo.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 05/12/2013 12:21:25 |
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Betsy Johnson of Bergen
