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JaneC
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 Posted - 15/09/2013 : 01:58:42
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1) "I don't think Pauline Ols. (20) and Jonette Ols. (18) are the children to Ole and Lisabet. If so, they should have been listed first in the list of children, because of their age."
They should be noted as children in the emigration record? I think that's what you mean; I'll look again at it to be sure I understand you.
2) "Helmer Christ Olson (19 Jul 1863 - 06 Jul 1937) SPOUSE: Jonete Christine Karlson (Olson) (09 May 1870 - 12 Dec 1961)"
I had noticed the name being the same but I had NOT noticed the BIRTH DATE being the same! So Helmer's wife comes from his home neighborhood and (possibly) immigrated with his parents. Amazing.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/09/2013 : 02:17:49
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Emigrating to Pelican Rapids, Minn on 09 Jun 1888:
Ole Ols. 55
Lisabet Ols. 52
Oline Ols. 15
Paul Ols. 11
Pauline Ols. 20
Jonette Ols. 18
Jan Peter
Pauline listed as "Barn"
Jonette not on this list
Helmer emigrated 1884... makes me wonder whether Jonette is going to America to marry him. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/09/2013 : 02:21:40
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Jonette is on next page.
The emigration in 1888 was listed like this:
Ole Ols. 55
Lisabet Ols. 52
Oline Ols. 15
Paul Ols. 11
Pauline Ols. 20
Jonette Ols. 18
The children was normally listed sorted by age, but this was not done for this family.
Pauline & Jonette are listed last, even though they are older than Oline and Paul.
So I assume Pauline & Jonette are adopted children from neighboring farm Hilseth; Karl Johan Olsen Hilset b. 1835 & Helene Johanna Jakobsdatter b.1848.
I think they could have been adopted in 1878 when mother Helene Johanna Jakobsdatter died.
Helene Johanne Marie Jakobsdatter, birth: 9 June 1846
Marriage: 23 August 1868, Herøy, Nordland, Norway
Her father: Jakob Larsen
Elisabeth Johanne Jacobsdatter, b. 23 Feb 1837
Her parents: Jacob Johannes Jørgensen (1813-1854) & Abelone Larsdatter (1809-1847)
Helene and Elisabeth are not sisters. At least they have different fathers.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/09/2013 : 02:28:12
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OBITUARY
Fergus Falls Daily Journal
13 December 1960
"Mrs. Helmer Olson, 90, Dies at Pelican Pelican Rapids
"Mrs. Helmer Olson died last night at her farm home east of Pelican Rapids. She was 90 years old. Born in Norway May 9, 1870, Jonette Christine Carlson came to the United States as a young girl with her parents, Mr. and Mrs. Carl Carlson. She was married to Helmer Olson December 6, 1890 at Pelican Rapids and she had lived in this community since then. Five children survive. They are Mrs. Thomas (Lena) Dyrud of Mclntosh, Mrs. Olaf (Dena Marie) Ness of Fargo; Julia Olson, Fergus Falls; Harry and Alma who made their home with her."
I don't see any candidates to be Jonette Christine Carlson/Karlson in the 1880 US census.
The Carl Carlsons/Karlsons (etc) found so far are Swedish.
I'm inclined to believe Jan Peter's theory that the Jonette with the Ole M. Olsen family is the same woman who married Helmer. If it is true that Jonette's father Carl came to the USA, it could be he came at a later time.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/09/2013 : 17:53:00
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Originally posted by JaneC
I'm inclined to believe Jan Peter's theory that the Jonette with the Ole M. Olsen family is the same woman who married Helmer. If it is true that Jonette's father Carl came to the USA, it could be he came at a later time.
Karl Olsen on Hilseth farm in census-1900, re-married with Dorthea Nikolaisen.
#6 Married female Dorthea Bergithe Nikolaisen, died 11 Oct 1915. Husband Karl Olsen.
#7 Farmer, widower Karl Johan Olsen, Hilseth, died 17 Jul 1923.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/09/2013 : 19:04:04
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Curiouser and curiouser...
I don't see any alternatives to solve the mystery of why Jonette's obituary does not match the Norwegian records, except
1) there is another Jonette Christine Carlson born 09 May 1870
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2) the family in America is confused.
Death of Lena, daughter of Helmer Olson and Jonette Karlsdatter:
DYRUD, LENA EMELIA
Date of Birth: 18 JUL 1893
Place of Birth: MINNESOTA
Mother Maiden Name: CARLSON
Date of Death: 07 April 1981
Otter Tail County, Minnesota
Minnesota Death Cert# 1981-MN-009814 (from Minnesota Historical Society)
Pauline Ols. is age 20 on the 1888 emigration record. She can't be the daughter of the same Carl Johan, unless her actual name is Lovise Helmine: "Lovise Helmine Carlsdatter born 11 Jul 1868 at Hilset, Herøy, Nordland, parents Carl Johan Olsen and Helena Johanna Maria Jacobsdatter." SOURCE: Frode family tree:
http://www.slekt.net/tng/getperson.php?personID=I68623&tree=1
Haven't found Iver's sister Oline Emilie Klæbo Olsdatter
born 18 Mar 1873 at Lillevik, Herøy, Nordland,
immigrated to USA with the family in 1888.
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susanharkins
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 17/09/2013 : 20:08:11
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| WOW .. this is so amazing .. I have connected with Georg Olson's 3x great granddaughter through anstery .com .. she has been able to share some info about Lena my 3x grandmother .. but I havent been on for the last few days to check in with her .. our foster dog had her pups so its been a bit crazy around here .. one question i wanted to ask the name was Olson but later changed to Olsen .. was there a reason for it ? But I must say a big big thank you .. without your help I would have never been able to come this far .. in fact my partner and I are planning on coming to Norway to see where my family came from .. I am still in awe we were always told we were pure Scot's .. the other granddaughter has pictures she is going to send me so I will make sure I post them .. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/09/2013 : 20:28:57
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Originally posted by susanharkins
.. one question i wanted to ask the name was Olson but later changed to Olsen .. was there a reason for it ?
The name in Norway would have been Olsen. Usually, it was changed to Olson in America.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/09/2013 : 21:49:40
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Emigration records from 1888:
#8, right page Ole Mathias Olsen, b. 1831, farmer, Lillevig
#9 wife Elisabeth Johanne Jakobsdtr b. 1836
with two children:
#10 1) Oline Emilie Klæbo Olsdatter, born 1873, confirmed 26 Jun 1887
#11 2) Paul Kristian Johan Olsen, born 1876
Source: Nordland county, Herøy in Herøy, Parish register (official) nr. 834A07 (1878-1937), Emigration records 1885-1888, page 28.
Next page:
#13 Pauline Olea Pedersdatter, b.1868, conf. 24 Jun 1883
4 Certificates (issued): Baptism, Confirmation, "Not bound in marriage", and Immaculate conduct; dated 01 May 1888
#14 Jonetta Kristine Mørk Karlsdatter, b. 1870, confirmed 21 Jun 1885
4 Certificates (issued): Baptism, Confirmation, "Not bound in marriage", and Immaculate conduct; dated 01 May 1888
#49 Pauline Olea Pedersdatter
Born 26 Feb 1868
Confirmed 24 Jun 1883, Herøy in Herøy, Nordland, Norway
Born: Ugelfoten
Residence: Ugelfoten
Parents: Peder Kristian Benjaminsen & wife Karen Oline Jensdatter, Ugelfoten
Smallpox vaccination: 08 Jul 1871
#37 Jonetta Kristine Mørk Karlsdatter
Born 10 May 1870
Confirmed 21 Jun 1885, Herøy in Herøy, Nordland, Norway
Born: Hilseth
Residence: Hilseth
Parents: Karl Johan Olsen & wife Helene Johanne Jakobsdatter, Hilseth
Smallpox vaccination: 25 Aug 1879
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/09/2013 : 22:11:07
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So Pauline is a sister of Iver's mother Jensine Marie Kibsgaard Pedersdatter. I should have noticed it earlier. Thanks Jan Peter.
http://www.slekt.net/tng/getperson.php?personID=I24338&tree=1
Such beautiful handwriting in Jonetta's birth record! And astounding to see the original handwritten records.
Hi susan- so wonderful you've connected with George's family!
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jkmarler
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/09/2013 : 23:13:49
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Ref: "Per Kristian Benjaminson b.8 July 1832 d after 1900 m1 Karen Jensdatter and at least these children with Karen: Jensine b abt 1860 and Kristine b. abt 1861, Olina b. abt 1866*, Paulina b abt 1868* and Per m 2 Ingeborg Sakariasdatter and had at least these children with Ingeborg: Ane b. abt 1875, Paul b abt 1883, Olaf b abt 1887; * or could also be from second wife. Per is found in the 1900 Norwegian census still on Ugelfoten."
Per Kristian Benjaminson = Peder Kristian Benjaminsen, father to Pauline who emigrated in 1888.
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JaneC
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Posted - 17/09/2013 : 23:33:12
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Definitely a connection! As Jan Peter says.
And more....for example, Peter Kristian Benjaminsen's brother Ebbe.
from the 2008 thread:
"Ebbe Andreas Benjaminson b. 8 May 1835 d.16 Jan 1926 came to U.S. m 1865 Berit Marte Hansdatter and had these children: Hans b abt 1864, Ole b abt 1869, Bertine Emilia b abt 1873, Ane M. b abt 1875 and ?Bennie? Among Ebbe’s children at least Hans, Ole and Bertine came to America. Bertine m. Ilmer Mickalson (Elmer Mickelson) and is reported to have had 15 children, all of those who were born in Norway came to U.S. with their parents, settling near Pelican Rapids, Minnesota."
So here are more people in the extended family who went to Pelican Rapids.
from the Frode Family tree:
http://www.slekt.net/tng/getperson.php?personID=I25470&tree=1
Or notice Peder Kristian Benjaminsen's brother Andres Sakarias Benjaminson who came to the US; had a son Albert Skei. Below "Donno" (must mean Dønna island):
"Cooperstown, North Dakota. Albert Skei is a carpenter. He was born in Donno on March 25, 1870 and emigrated to America in 1893 to Lake Park, Minnesota and lived there for nine years. He came to Cooperstown, North Dakota in 1905 and has lived there since as a a carpenter. His wife, Anna J. Sorvig, is also from Donno. They were both on a trip to Norway in 1914 which was good all around and they had a pleasant trip."
--Source: Norwegians and Norwegian Homes in America by Hans Jervell - 1916 - Page 161
Ebbe Andreas Benjaminson's daughter Bertine with family in Minnesota (Bertine would be a first cousin to Iver Olson):
1910
Otter Tail County, Minnesota
Elmer K Mickelson 39
Berthine E Mickelson 36
Engvald B Mickelson 16
Martin J Mickelson 14
Jacob K MIckelson 12
Eiler B Mickelson 11
Melvin P Mickelson 10
Aslaig L Mickelson 8
Harold G Mickelson 5
Effie T Mickelson 3
Alfred M Nickelson 25
also born
--twin boys who died 1909
--a son Arthur Noralf Mickelson was born later in 1910
--another son Alven Michelson was born in 1912
--a daughter Freda Nilsena Mickelson born 1914
--back in an edit with another one from Jackie: "I think the Mikalsons had another son named James Julian Mekalson b. 4 July 1916 in Otter Tail county, Minnesota"
See obituary for Freda NIlsena Mickelson (Dahl) here:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=65146459
Ebbe Andreas Benjaminson and wife Beret Ebbeson buried at Ringsaker Cemetery, Pelican Rapids, Minnesota:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=52703149
Also buried at Ringsaker, Ebbe's son Ole Edward Ebbeson (1869-1949) with spouse Henriette Hanson; their children Oliver Melvin Ebbeson and Gladys Ebbeson (Lokken)
So many connections could now be made, given jkmarler's spadework. |
Edited by - JaneC on 19/09/2013 01:10:35 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/09/2013 : 23:52:44
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| Five years ago a man asked my local genealogical society for help finding his ancestors. The society usually gives me the Norwegian research requests. His grandmother was Alma Skei, daughter of Andreas Sakarias Benjaminsen. The reason I posted the topic was to scare up some relatives in Norway. That part of the research wasn't too successful. Or maybe they just got scared instead of scared up? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/09/2013 : 03:21:06
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| I think the Mikalsons had another son named James Julian Mekalson b. 4 July 1916 in Otter Tail county, Minnesota |
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Lena Olsen daughter of Iver Olsen
