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normcook
Starting member
New Zealand
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 Posted - 17/10/2013 : 08:36:20
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I am trying to find the crew list of the sailing vessel
"Shakespeare' - formally the "Cinderella", which sailed from Hamberg 1875 and arrived in Wellington New Zealand on the 25th January 1876. Any advise please |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2013 : 13:36:09
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It is very unlikely that any Norwegian archive would have record of a ship or it's crew traveling from Germany to New Zealand - no matter the year.
A link to info about the ship discovered by using a broad Internet search engine (similar to Google).
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-DE/1998-11/0910404406
Note that most US National Archives microfilmed documents can also be found in the collection of the Latter-Day Saints (LDS = Mormons) and available to be ordered sent to a nearby LDS Family History Center located anywhere. The LDS Family History library will have a separate numbering system for their films and the Library Catalog is available online --
https://familysearch.org/catalog-search
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 14:47:04
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In the lengthy topic on Charles Wilson on norwayheritage in 2012 a German (from Bremen) database of musterlists of sailors on German ships was found in Ancestry. Maybe he left on a Bremen ship at some time? Here is the database title:
"Bremer Musterungslisten der Schiffe, 1815-1917"
Have you looked at the Trove, Australia's archive & library site? Although with a name like John Brown, likely to be overwhelming numbers...
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/10/2013 : 18:27:53
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Probably no crew-members listed, but here is the passenger list, found at hamburgshipsnz.net. A scan of the passenger list is available for a cost.
Pass.# - Surname - First name - Age - Name of Ship
abele georgi 34 SHAK75
343 adenzzi bahlista 44 SHAK75
343 adenzzi giovanni 29 SHAK75
225 ander albert 2 SHAK75
225 ander august 9.75SHAK75
225 ander auguste 14 SHAK75
225 ander bertha 7 SHAK75
225 ander carline 44 SHAK75
225 ander caroline 9 SHAK75
225 ander friedrich 40 SHAK75
andersen christian 25 SHAK75
199 anderson anders 7 SHAK75
199 anderson anna 3 SHAK75
199 anderson bodel 44 SHAK75
anderson gitte 16 SHAK75
199 anderson jorgen 9 SHAK75
anderson peter 23 SHAK75
199 anderson rasmus 45 SHAK75
angelo jaie 30 SHAK75
anserssen carl j 23 SHAK75
arandolowicz nicolo 18 SHAK75
asconowicz paulo 49 SHAK75
azzi dionisia 34 SHAK75
barbara vicenzo 26 SHAK75
bargen von peter 30 SHAK75
baronte francesca 38 SHAK75
314 barzschini alfredo 7 SHAK75
314 barzschini armida 4 SHAK75
314 barzschini beneminio 2 SHAK75
314 barzschini francis 9 SHAK75
314 barzschini lorenzo 39 SHAK75
314 barzschini maria 6 SHAK75
314 barzschini rosa 28 SHAK75
bengtsen ivan 25 SHAK75
berchi guiseppe 26 SHAK75
bertani ettota 42 SHAK75
bertoldo domanico 26 SHAK75
bettarini romanico 43 SHAK75
36 biesche franciska 7 SHAK75
36 biesche franz 3 SHAK75
36 biesche valentin 1 SHAK75
36 biesche valentin 28 SHAK75
36 biesche veronica 38 SHAK75
bohrmann carl f 32 SHAK75
371 bos august 22 SHAK75
371 bos franz e 24 SHAK75
braem johann 35 SHAK75
brandt johannes 23 SHAK75
buchiernore francisca 26 SHAK75
calanaj carlotta 18 SHAK75
321 calcinoj forminica 41 SHAK75
321 calcinoj giovanni 8.5 SHAK75
321 calcinoj giovano 41 SHAK75
321 calcinoj guiseppe 14 SHAK75
321 calcinoj victoria 3 SHAK75
canersa roberto 34 SHAK75
carlberg carl 24 SHAK75
carlsdotter johannes 24 SHAK75
182 carlson hakon 21 SHAK75
182 carlson karin 25 SHAK75
182 carlson olaf 9 SHAK75
182 carlson soen 2 SHAK75
casali giovanni 32 SHAK75
caset gustav 25 SHAK75
chappieni angelo 31 SHAK75
checomi giulio 24 SHAK75
christensen ane marie 23 SHAK75
christensen chresten 24 SHAK75
christensen christian 23 SHAK75
christensen jeno 26 SHAK75
310 christensen jens 35 SHAK75
310 christensen marie 33 SHAK75
christensen marie catharina 25 SHAK75
christensen martina 17 SHAK75
ciefsing anna 24 SHAK75
clausen niels m 26 SHAK75
174 dahlstrom ole person 23 SHAK75
174 dahlstrom perine 30 SHAK75
232 depardens marie 20 SHAK75
232 depardens wilhelm 24 SHAK75
dobertoliz antonio 26 SHAK75
eng andreas 27 SHAK75
eriksen julius 18 SHAK75
fabbri gaitano 30 SHAK75
faradori michele 18 SHAK75
feiernar bartolo 21 SHAK75
feille albert 25 SHAK75
fital peter 27 SHAK75
fritschner paul 23 SHAK75
gagern carl 20 SHAK75
gaglindi frederico 23 SHAK75
gaitzich gustav 31 SHAK75
gloor adolph 21 SHAK75
gori carlo 21 SHAK75
grajenski friedrich 34 SHAK75
72 grunwald eleonore 37 SHAK75
72 grunwald gottlieb 35 SHAK75
72 grunwald paul 2 SHAK75
guintini antonie 30 SHAK75
399 incrocci elzira 33 SHAK75
399 incrocci francisca 9 SHAK75
399 incrocci tomasi 39 SHAK75
399 incrocci uberto 3 SHAK75
jacobsen peter berthds 22 SHAK75
jahnborritz david 36 SHAK75
jakobsen rasmus 18 SHAK75
160 janiccenti augusto 8 SHAK75
160 janiccenti giovani 40 SHAK75
jansen mina 23 SHAK75
jensen alfred eduard 18 SHAK75
jensen hemming 17 SHAK75
jensen jeno 21 SHAK75
jensen niels 31 SHAK75
jensen niels 45 SHAK75
jensen niels christian 28 SHAK75
jensen peter erichson 21 SHAK75
kasehone gustav 23 SHAK75
kernn johann lippert 20 SHAK75
klepsich mathilde 20 SHAK75
266 kniatkowski anton 38 SHAK75
266 kniatkowski auguste 23 SHAK75
266 kniatkowski elisa .5 SHAK75
266 kniatkowski gustav 5 SHAK75
266 kniatkowski hugo 1.5 SHAK75
knudsen copenhagen 24 SHAK75
kolvig johan christ 45 SHAK75
18 korner anna 33 SHAK75
18 korner johann 36 SHAK75
koster heme theod 18 SHAK75
56 krakowski franciska 23 SHAK75
56 krakowski johannes 1 SHAK75
56 krakowski michel 33 SHAK75
234 kusth bertha 11 SHAK75
234 kusth franz 9.5 SHAK75
234 kusth julius 35 SHAK75
234 kusth julius 8 SHAK75
234 kusth marie 35 SHAK75
234 kusth ottelie 4 SHAK75
234 kusth wilhelm 2 SHAK75
234 kusth wilhelmine .5 SHAK75
larsen ane marie 24 SHAK75
larsen ferkel 25 SHAK75
larsen jens peter 16 SHAK75
207 larsen marie 39 SHAK75
larsen niels michael 20 SHAK75
207 larsen ole 35 SHAK75
lawrenz gustav 21 SHAK75
lindstedt anna h 25 SHAK75
278 lose gen?nt schlich elise 21 SHAK75
278 lose gen?nt schlich johann 21 SHAK75
maggini innocenzo 20 SHAK75
mari garlano 43 SHAK75
mauressen louis arnold 21 SHAK75
menghine giovani 23 SHAK75
menicucci felippa 37 SHAK75
mikalsen jens 35 SHAK75
mikkelsen jens peter 31 SHAK75
131 multrus anna 24 SHAK75
131 multrus anton .75 SHAK75
131 multrus jacob 37 SHAK75
nasario faustenelli 30 SHAK75
necke gustav 8 SHAK75
257 neumann emilie 39 SHAK75
257 neumann joh gottfried 39 SHAK75
257 neumann wilhelm 12.5SHAK75
oilando andrea 33 SHAK75
olsen bernt 21 SHAK75
olsen hans 19 SHAK75
olsen johann 26 SHAK75
olsen karen 19 SHAK75
olsen ole 28 SHAK75
59 osiowski anna 39 SHAK75
59 osiowski bertha 12 SHAK75
59 osiowski franz 3 SHAK75
59 osiowski johann 6 SHAK75
59 osiowski juliane 9.5 SHAK75
59 osiowski martin 37 SHAK75
59 osiowski rosalie 8 SHAK75
pahlton jons 29 SHAK75
papi pitro 41 SHAK75
106 parisi alexandro 18 SHAK75
106 parisi amadio 22 SHAK75
parisi santo 27 SHAK75
renger ferdinand a 24 SHAK75
richter gabriel 27 SHAK75
rofen maria josephine 24 SHAK75
271 rowe albert 1 SHAK75
271 rowe auguste 9 SHAK75
271 rowe carl 7 SHAK75
271 rowe caroline 36 SHAK75
271 rowe caroline 5 SHAK75
271 rowe ernst 38 SHAK75
271 rowe marie 3 SHAK75
sagata ignazio 38 SHAK75
samtsum john 22 SHAK75
28 sanger johann 27 SHAK75
28 sanger josephine 23 SHAK75
28 sanger marianne 1 SHAK75
222 sanow alwine 3 SHAK75
222 sanow carl .5 SHAK75
219 sanow carl 44 SHAK75
222 sanow sabine 5 SHAK75
219 sanow wilhelmine 38 SHAK75
schacht mima 23 SHAK75
schassmann johann 29 SHAK75
80 schedowic anton 23 SHAK75
80 schedowic elisabeth 9.5 SHAK75
80 schedowic margretha 31 SHAK75
80 schedowic marie 7 SHAK75
80 schedowic martin 2 SHAK75
80 schedowic theresia 4 SHAK75
260 scherf carl august 7 SHAK75
260 scherf carl frederich 9.5 SHAK75
260 scherf christian 16 SHAK75
260 scherf marie 18.5SHAK75
260 scherf wilhelm 37 SHAK75
260 scherf wilhelmine 38 SHAK75
1 schiercke clara .25 SHAK75
1 schiercke elise 5 SHAK75
1 schiercke gustav 28 SHAK75
1 schiercke gustav 3 SHAK75
1 schiercke louise 31 SHAK75
116 schiska anton 1.25SHAK75
113 schiska margareth 24 SHAK75
113 schiska margareth 3 SHAK75
113 schiska wengel 29 SHAK75
20 scholtz august ferd 30 SHAK75
20 scholtz charlotte 32 SHAK75
20 scholtz helene 7 SHAK75
20 scholtz reterskolt 1.25SHAK75
20 scholtz wilh gustav 1mo SHAK75
354 scholz gottlieb 22 SHAK75
354 scholz wilhelm 25 SHAK75
schwamm ferdinand 24 SHAK75
300 schwarz augusta 5 SHAK75
300 schwarz ernestine 28 SHAK75
senn emil k 20 SHAK75
sgrilli francesco 28 SHAK75
86 sittauer josef 30 SHAK75
86 sittauer joseph 1 SHAK75
86 sittauer margaretha 26 SHAK75
86 sittauer wengel 2 SHAK75
361 sorensen anders christian 53 SHAK75
361 sorensen christen 11.5SHAK75
361 sorensen hansine 47 SHAK75
361 sorensen kristine 7 SHAK75
sorensen lars wilhelm 22 SHAK75
361 sorensen peter 9 SHAK75
68 stachurski anna 31 SHAK75
68 stachurski josef 2 SHAK75
68 stachurski josef 32 SHAK75
68 stachurski maria 5 SHAK75
251 stern carl 6 SHAK75
251 stern christian 9 SHAK75
251 stern friederike 19 SHAK75
251 stern johann 17 SHAK75
251 stern marie 46 SHAK75
251 stern wilhelm 52 SHAK75
stoner patrea 18 SHAK75
subasio georg 37 SHAK75
44 szezodrowski agnes 2 SHAK75
44 szezodrowski anton 27 SHAK75
44 szezodrowski joseph 2 SHAK75
44 szezodrowski juliane 21 SHAK75
44 szezodrowski maria 29 SHAK75
44 szezodrowski poasa 1 SHAK75
tani agiolo 28 SHAK75
teodoli leander 25 SHAK75
thenberg clas 30 SHAK75
thessen julius wilh 27 SHAK75
thomsen carl 27 SHAK75
thomsen christian fred 18 SHAK75
thomsen maren 27 SHAK75
tomasson abraham 22 SHAK75
waibel frederika 22 SHAK75
wallguist anders 42 SHAK75
welli friedrich 20 SHAK75
246 wichmann auguste 8 SHAK75
246 wichmann carl 2 SHAK75
246 wichmann eduard 33 SHAK75
246 wichmann marie 9 SHAK75
246 wichmann wilhelmine 34 SHAK75
wiedmayer robert 34 SHAK75
31 wodinsky anton 41 SHAK75
31 wodowski pauline 2 SHAK75
31 wodowsky anna 9 SHAK75
31 wodowsky justina 26 SHAK75
31 wodowsky marianne 4 SHAK75
wolzowiak martha 18 SHAK75
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2013 : 22:31:36
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| To clarify, the person being sought is Reinert Gabrielsen Johannesen. |
Edited by - JaneC on 18/10/2013 22:33:16 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 18/10/2013 : 23:32:29
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quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
To clarify, the person being sought is Reinert Gabrielsen Johannesen.
Ok, thanks. Both these topics are related then.
Mina Jansen (23); his future wife; is listed on the 1875 Shakespeare departure.
Reinert Gabrielsen Johannesen
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Edited by - jwiborg on 18/10/2013 23:37:13 |
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normcook
Starting member
New Zealand
13 Posts |
Posted - 22/10/2013 : 01:06:19
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Thank you all for the leads.(' ') I've got work to follow through on.
We have good information on Reinert and Mina here in New Zealand. What we are having trouble tracing, is that we know that Reinert travelled to the USA around 1870 to stay with family whom had moved there. Was he a Mariner as this point. We don't have any firm clues as to when and how he travelled out here. Was he a Mariner, or a fare paying passenger ?
Find it hard to accept that he would be a passenger with his experience as we believe it to be.
What we know is that during 1873 -74 he was ship's carpenter on the "William" plying between Hull, England, and the USA. During the second year he was promoted to bosun. We believe he was later on ships trading to New Zealand.
However Reinert and Mina met, meet they did, around October 1876, as nine months later Mina gave birth to his daughter Hanne on the 13th July 1877.
Entry 181 "Intention to Marry" shows that Reinert to have been only three days in this country before he applied for the marriage licence. They were married on the 7th September 1877.
He doesn't appear to be wanted by authorities for those having jumped ship.
When did he leave his family in the USA ?
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KennyD
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 12/03/2015 : 23:10:00
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Originally posted by normcook
I am trying to find the crew list of the sailing vessel
"Shakespeare' - formally the "Cinderella", which sailed from Hamberg 1875 and arrived in Wellington New Zealand on the 25th January 1876. Any advise please
I've done a bit of research on this ship, but can't help with the names of crew...
My Great-Grandfather, Shakespeare Lauritz Duus, was born onboard this ship just off the south coast of Australia during her 1872 voyage from Hamburg to Australia...
I have located a print and two paintings of this ship while she was the 'Cinderella'. Note the correct triple-masts and the surveyed 877 tons listed on the image which is the easiest way to distinguish the many 'incorrect' Shakespeare photos from the correct Shakespeare...
http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/140585.html
http://www.museumwales.ac.uk/industry/images/?action=search&search_type=all&search_terms=cinderella
After the Shakespeare was condemned off the coast of Montevideo in 1894, she was renamed 'Felis Quebracho' and used in shipping tannin and quebracho wood from Argentina according to the Lloyd's Register of Shipping documents... The 1897 Lloyd's Shipping Register gives all three names under 'Felis Quebracho'... I have yet to find out exactly what happened to her after the Harteneck family ended their business in Argentina - more diving into Lloyd's needed.
I'm in the process of trying to document all her voyages, including the damage at sea around October 1894 that led to her being condemned as a migrant ship and ending up lugging timber and tannin...
Regards,
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