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KLeach
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 Posted - 25/10/2013 : 23:46:52
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http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27724/28/
Right hand page, 2nd from the bottom. I believe it says Jens Rasmussen, but not sure. The text is difficult to read. Need help deciphering.
The Jens Rasmussen (Svenskerud, perhaps as an alternate last name) I am looking for was born in Kristiania around 1790. Married to Anne, last name unknown.
Wondering if this could be the probate for the Jens listed in the 1865 census for Eidsvoll (listed further down).
He could not be found on the 1875 census, and I have scanned the probate for the Eidsvoll lensmann from 1871 to 1875 so far.
We believe he could be the father to three known sons: Kristian Jenssen, b. 1825 in Bunaes, Eidsvoll, d. 16 Sep 1878 in Eidsvoll; Johannes Jenssen, b. 1826 in Eidsvoll, and Andreas Jenssen, b.abt 1832 in Eidsvoll. No solid proof of the connection yet, but did talk to a relative who sent the information below:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=27&filnamn=f60237&gardpostnr=1351&merk=1351#ovre
I'm wondering if this is Kristian Jenssen's father's Census information from 1865? Here's what makes me think this might be:
- We're pretty sure that Kristian Jenssen's father is named 'Jens' given the Norwegian tradition of taking the fathers first name as the child's last name.
- Kristian's brother Johannes was on the same farm (Bunaes) in the 1865 census, but had moved to the Svenskrud farm by the 1875 census. I believe this record is for the same Svenskrud farm from the 1865 Census. My working theory is that Johannes and his family moved back to his fathers farm after he died, somewhere between 1865 and 1875.
- In family records, Kristian's father was listed as "Jens Swenskrud" (no citations for this). It seems very common for people to use their farm name as their last name in many places, so Swenskrud = Svenskrud seems like a very likely possibility.
- In dad's records, "Jens Swenskrud" is listed with a wife of "Annie" (no citations for this) and "Anne" is listed as this persons wife.
- A weak point, but family records have a brother of Kristian listed with a name of "Andrew". I'm wondering if the "Andreas" listed as Jens and Anne's son would be translated from Norwegian to English as "Andrew"?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/10/2013 : 03:07:56
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| Looking at the dødsfallprotokol you linked to I believe that the entry is the same Jens Rasmussen as in the 1865 census. The ages are very consistent (75 vs 86), his status as fattiglem (on the county) which might be expected for a man who was that advanced age and a husmand in 1865, the son Andreas Jensen is in both the 1865 listing and in the dødsfall. Jens is now on an apparently different farm named Trandum. But it doesn't mention any other survivor so not the proof you need. Since his wife isn't mentioned you might see if she died and if there might be a larger group of survivors mentioned in her record. |
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KLeach
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/10/2013 : 16:32:33
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Well, if you search in the 1865 census for Eidsvold (Ejdviold)any name starting with Ann born in any place starting with Hurdal you will find 10 women including Anne !!. There is no Anne Pedersdatter listed listed of any age. You might be tempted to draw the conclusion that Anne !! is Anne Pedersdatter of the 1900 census but people do move in Norway within Norway and you should look to see if any person is listed in the inflyttedes of Eidsvold, first.
But I'm not sure that any Anne born in 1815 is going to be the parent of Kristian Jenson Bunæs b.abt 1824, the time is too tight. |
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KLeach
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Posted - 27/10/2013 : 00:03:38
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I checked Eidsvoll probate records and found a number of women named Anne, but few with any names attached.
I also examined early Eidsvoll parish records for marriages or births/baptisms, but no names of consequence came up.
That Eidsvoll church fire definitely did not help things.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Well, if you search in the 1865 census for Eidsvold (Ejdviold)any name starting with Ann born in any place starting with Hurdal you will find 10 women including Anne !!. There is no Anne Pedersdatter listed listed of any age. You might be tempted to draw the conclusion that Anne !! is Anne Pedersdatter of the 1900 census but people do move in Norway within Norway and you should look to see if any person is listed in the inflyttedes of Eidsvold, first.
But I'm not sure that any Anne born in 1815 is going to be the parent of Kristian Jenson Bunæs b.abt 1824, the time is too tight.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/10/2013 : 02:12:56
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KLeach
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eibache
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Posted - 09/02/2014 : 21:31:15
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The only example of birth and baptism records I have so far is for Julie Kristiansdatter, but I need help reading the names in the box
Julie was born May 16 1862 and baptized June 9.
Her parents were owner of Bunæsmoen Kristian Jensen and Olea Kristensdatter.
The father was also godfather together with Gulbrand Larsen, Krogvold, Jørgine Kristensdatter, Trandum and Marte Marie Kristiansdatter, Trandum.
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Edited by - eibache on 09/02/2014 21:32:05 |
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KLeach
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 10:56:44
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In the Digitalarkivet, what would be the best municipality to search that would include Trandum? Krogvold?
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The only example of birth and baptism records I have so far is for Julie Kristiansdatter, but I need help reading the names in the box
Julie was born May 16 1862 and baptized June 9.
Her parents were owner of Bunæsmoen Kristian Jensen and Olea Kristensdatter.
The father was also godfather together with Gulbrand Larsen, Krogvold, Jørgine Kristensdatter, Trandum and Marte Marie Kristiansdatter, Trandum.
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KLeach
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eibache
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 14:08:57
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what would be the best municipality to search that would include Trandum? Krogvold?
Both farms in Eidsvoll/Langset.
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eibache
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 14:14:01
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In the 1865 census 3 Krogvold farms are listed.
In nr. 170a the housefather is Lars Kristensen, 45 years old.
In nr 170b the housefather is John Kristensen, 39 years old, and
in the one without a number the housewife is Marthea Kristensdatter.
They are most likely siblings, Jørgine could be a sister (she was 28 years in 1865).
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KLeach
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eibache
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Posted - 19/02/2014 : 12:43:08
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Had trouble with the link to Jens, this is the page.
Jens was born out of wedlock and was baptized Oct 2.
Mother Else Maria Olsdatter, father was gunner in Cap Blindermanns Compagnie Rasmus Jensen.
Jens sister was Johanne, baptized May 25 1794, right page.
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KLeach
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 05:56:39
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http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=515&idx_id=515&uid=ny&idx_side=-121
#20 above. Any chance this could be the correct Jens Rasmussen and Ane Johansdatter? This marriage is for Nov 9, 1816. I did not have her last name in my records, so I can't confirm it.
Who might the two men be that are mentioned in the 3rd column in this record?
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=515&idx_id=515&uid=ny&idx_side=-24
#4 above is a potential son to this Jens and Ane. The entry is for Hurdal Parish in Akershus.
I do have a Rasmus listed as one of the children to Jens and Ann/Ane, but did not have a birthdate. The other children I have listed for them are all born in Bunaes, Eidsvoll: Kristian (b.1825), Johannes (b.1826) and Andreas (b. about 1832).
This would leave quite a gap between the birth of Rasmus and Kristian.
Suggestions?
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Well, if you search in the 1865 census for Eidsvold (Ejdviold)any name starting with Ann born in any place starting with Hurdal you will find 10 women including Anne !!. There is no Anne Pedersdatter listed listed of any age. You might be tempted to draw the conclusion that Anne !! is Anne Pedersdatter of the 1900 census but people do move in Norway within Norway and you should look to see if any person is listed in the inflyttedes of Eidsvold, first.
But I'm not sure that any Anne born in 1815 is going to be the parent of Kristian Jenson Bunæs b.abt 1824, the time is too tight.
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eibache
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Posted - 22/02/2014 : 21:18:24
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Originally posted by KLeach
Who might the two men be that are mentioned in the 3rd column in this record?
They were witnesses. Christen Langthoen = Christen Wernersen in the 1801 census.
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Edited by - eibache on 22/02/2014 21:19:39 |
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Jens Rasmussen 1875 Probate, Eidsvoll
