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norwaynut
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 Posted - 29/10/2013 : 21:12:57
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| I thank you again for all this information! I completes what I wanted to find! Now you have made quite a few of us in USA very happy! As for Birthe dying and the date--two have stated either in Rutland twp, LaSalle County, or Adams twp., LaSalle County, Illinois! And where Kari is buried, not known. But most of the family is buried in Little Indian Creek Cemetery in Adams twp. I'm honoring them by finding them and they are the beginnings of many early families in these areas. Lorene |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/10/2013 : 22:13:54
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You are welcome.
Att. a picture of Ormsjord where Karis father was born, its the farm in the back ground (Rough terrain, not easy to make a living on) link
Attraa/Atrċ is located to the south-east part of Lake Tinnsjĝ, one of Europes largest and deepest fresh water lakes link
Picture is looking south so Attraa is in the inner of the bay to the left of the headland ca 2/3 down.
I wonder why they left Saaler, the farm was big enough to feed the family with one horse, 6 bigcattle, 6 cheeps, 4 goats and could sow 1 1/2 barrel of Barley and 2 barrels of potatoes in 1865 in add to fishing and hunting.
Perhaps the family only leased Saaler or where hit as many others by "America fever"
If you want to see how fare back in time we can go you are welcome back.
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norwaynut
Junior member
USA
35 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2013 : 16:42:04
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| I am glad you have the date 1838 as I found it in the Church records as such. But on the passenger list they are lsited as arriving in 1836 on bark Republic. Also the New York post of entry someones handwriting suggests 1836 and should be 1838. I don't know any of the other passengers, so don't know if they came in 1836 or not. Searching for the youngest son, John age 12 in USA and can't connect to any. Lorene |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/11/2013 : 18:04:21
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Originally posted by norwaynut
I am glad you have the date 1838 as I found it in the Church records as such. But on the passenger list they are lsited as arriving in 1836 on bark Republic. Also the New York post of entry someones handwriting suggests 1836 and should be 1838. I don't know any of the other passengers, so don't know if they came in 1836 or not. Searching for the youngest son, John age 12 in USA and can't connect to any. Lorene
You are talking about the passenger list on the norwayheritage site re 1836? At least 2 righteous transcribers disagreeing on the year date of the arrival (Naeseth in Norwegians in America series and the transcriber here. Neither are the orginal source of the information which is the handwritten documents filed at New York.
Here is the source of the 1836 date. Track down the microfilm and study it: and draw your own conclusion. or study the list to see if your Halvor is on the online list. It might even be possible that there is more than one ship called the Republic or that there were trips in 1836 and 1838 which were not harvested by either transcriber.
NARA Roll #37, Arr. No. 485
Link to the list:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=2444
Circumstantially, it's pretty unlikely that a family will go to America and then 2 years later get the permits and permission from their pastor to go. At that point having them would be unnecessary.
Should warn you, the original handwritten documents recording arriving passengers are sometimes very dicey, poorly written, poorly spelled, badly filmed.
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norwaynut
Junior member
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Posted - 15/11/2013 : 19:13:00
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| Thank you for the fast reply! I feel there is a logical answer to this! The family lsited on the ship list for 1836 is the right family. This is who I am searching for! But there is a Helge/Henry/John Henry with eirther Holverson or Halvorson b. 1824 that is surfacing also. Cannot connect the two men so something is off. Lorene |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/11/2013 : 22:50:11
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| In Naeseth's there is a son Jon Halvorson Saaler b. 17 Oct 1826 on the trip. If you think there is another then the solution is the same as with the passenger list discrepancy. Dive into the actual original record, in this case, the parish registers of Tinn and find what there is to find. |
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norwaynut
Junior member
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Posted - 17/11/2013 : 00:30:58
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| That is the person I am trying to find. And Naeseth has him immigrating in 1838 along with a NY port of entry list for same year. I also have found his birth record in Tinn, Telemark, Norway Church records. I am feeling bad about having to disagree. I hope you except my apoligy for disagreeing! Non on the 1837 bark Niord are mine, but read where Osten Bakka and wife Kari died in same year or in 1838 from Malaria near in Beaver Creek Settlement. My family came in 1838 and there are a few missing. Maybe this is where they died. Bio of father Halvor Knudson states the family walked from Chicago to Marselius, Rutland twp, LaSalle County, IL, because all they had was $25.00. Guess that is why I like to search for them. They had a hard life after they got to USA. Lorene |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/11/2013 : 16:10:08
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Tinn 1837.
The Ĝsten Sondresen Bakka family from Attrċ who ended in the 1838 Beaver creec tragedy em. 1837 together with 48 persons from Tinn.
Tinn 1838.
Halvor Knudsen Saaler 59 and wife Birgit Torgersdatter 54 em. with 5 children, one of the children was John Halvorsen Saaler age 12 (born ca 1826)
John Halvorsen Saaler is pass. nr 14
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2013 : 16:42:00
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Originally posted by norwaynut
That is the person I am trying to find. And Naeseth has him immigrating in 1838 along with a NY port of entry list for same year. I also have found his birth record in Tinn, Telemark, Norway Church records. I am feeling bad about having to disagree.
Thanks for being so well mannered as to offer an apology for disagreeing but I'm still perplexed what the disagreement is about.
If there is a son (of Halvor Knudson & Birgit Tarjesdatter Saaler) named Helge --Naeseth doesn't include him. Naeseth does include a daughter named Helge b. 8 July 1823 Tinn. Is this who you mean? Helge is apparently a name that can go either way as to sexual orientation.
Neither Helge nor Jon Halvorson /Halvorsdatter are carried further with information in Naeseth. The logical assumption is that they have perished and left no further record. But this is only a working conclusion which if you have developed further information about you are welcome to explore and expose it. But Naeseth has nothing further. Halvor, the father died in 1849. Have you pursued a possible estate settlement for him in which survivors might be mentioned?
Otherwise, I'm in the dark as to what the disagreement is about. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/11/2013 : 19:29:47
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That is correct Jackie and is probably the cause of the misunderstanding.
Previously Helge was both a girl and a boy name in Norway.
Later Helge changed to Helga for girls.
Helge born to Halvor Knudsen Saaler and Birgit Torgersdatter was a girl; Helge Halvorsdatter born on Saaler July 8. 1823 and bap. in Attraa August 3, see right page #14
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2013 : 23:30:17
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Family tree for Birgit Torgjersdatter Stuvetraa/Saaler includes photos of Helge/Helga Halvorsdatters family who married Helge Olsen from farm Prestodden in Tinn link
Kċre
She is Helga "Helen" on this family tree posted earlier by Kċre; according to the Find-a-Grave memorial below she married Helge Olsen and died in Davison county, South Dakota.
Find-a-Grave memorial:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=67562336
The gender issue was probably the problem. Otherwise it is hard to know what specifically is meant by someone surfacing. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/11/2013 : 23:50:55
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Originally posted by JaneC
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Family tree for Birgit Torgjersdatter Stuvetraa/Saaler includes photos of Helge/Helga Halvorsdatters family who married Helge Olsen from farm Prestodden in Tinn link
Kċre
She is Helga "Helen" on this family tree.
Find-a-Grave memorial:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=67562336
Now I remember, Helge Halvorsdatter married widower Helge (Hĝlje) Olsen from Prestodden in Tinn.
He was first married in Tinn to Gunhilde Olsdatter/Pedersdatter Madserud and they brought a daughter Aagot (Augusta) age 2 1/4 with them to America 1837.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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The Halvorsen family from Attraa farm, Tinn, Telem
