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Janson
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 Posted - 02/01/2014 : 16:56:17
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My great grandfather was born on the island of Ytteroy (off Levanger). He left Norway before 1886 and settled in Swansea (UK). How might he have got to Swansea? By sea I presume? But......from where....Levanger, Trondheim, Bergen......??????? Were there any sea routes, at this time, from Ytteroy, or near by, to Swansea? Or is this a question that cannot be answered?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 17:08:25
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| If you gave us more information about your grandfather such as his name and birthdate we might be able to find his departure from Norway. Was he a sailor? |
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David Yaw
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 18:48:41
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In the 1891 UK census, there are about 200 people born in Norway living in Wales - of whom about 40 were living in Swansea. Hence it was by no means unusual for such movements.
More details of your grandfather might help the forum in responding |
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Janson
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 19:54:38
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My great grandfather's birth name was IVER SACHARIASEN (farm BRUSTAD). He was born 03/11/1852 (although he changed the year to 1855 on his log book). He was baptised 09/11/1853. His father was Sacharias Nielsen (Brustad). His mother was Berit Siversdatter.
In Swansea he changed his name to JOHN BRUSTAD NEILSON. He was in the MERCHNAT NAVY. He was a sail maker and a ship's carpenter. When he was not at sea he was a crane driver in the docks.
He lost his life on 9th MARCH 1915 off Flamborough Head. Although he never became a British citizen. All the details of this part of his life are known.
His log book - Sofartsbog - has the number (hovedrulle?)806 af Trondheim Indrullerings.....Rode No 12........Trondheim Indrulleringsdiftrift 08/08/1876.
(I am trying to type Norwegian words written in Gothic script so I hope you can understand them!)
The log book then lists these journeys..........
07/08/1876 - from Arendal to Rotterdam on ship Imperator(?)
24/04/78... ? to Arendal on ship Nissen
20/01/81.Arendal to.Toulon on ship Thela
17/04/8 he could have sailed to Bristol (but writing is hard to read)
10/10/83 North Shields to Gloucester on ship Ariel
Thank you very much indeed for your help. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/01/2014 : 00:15:28
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Originally posted by Janson
My great grandfather's birth name was IVER SACHARIASEN
His log book - Sofartsbog - has the number (hovedrulle?)806 af Trondheim Indrullerings.....Rode No 12........Trondheim Indrulleringsdiftrift 08/08/1876.
(I am trying to type Norwegian words written in Gothic script so I hope you can understand them!)
The log book then lists these journeys..........
07/08/1876 - from Arendal to Rotterdam on ship Imperator(?)
24/04/78... ? to Arendal on ship Nissen
20/01/81.Arendal to.Toulon on ship Thela
17/04/8 he could have sailed to Bristol (but writing is hard to read)
10/10/83 North Shields to Gloucester on ship Ariel
Thank you very much indeed for your help.
Likely dep. from Trondheim, probably via Bergen/Stavanger to Arendal or directly from Trondheim.
- Søfartsbok; Proof of idenetity for Norwegian seaman where all journeys were recorded.
- Hovedrulle; Register for seaman
- Trondheim indrulleringsdistrikt 08.08.1876; Trondheim military district August 8. 1876.
- Rode No 12; For example in cencuses Trondheim and other towns were divided into Rode (Roder)
From Ytterøy 1867-1928 there were 779 emigrants to America via Trondheim, 26 of them were from Brustad.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 03/01/2014 00:25:50 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Janson
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/01/2014 : 15:25:33
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To JKMarler
Thanks for your information. You recognised the name in my research because the other post was by me as well. I had a computer virus so I had to re-register with a "new name" for this site!!! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/01/2014 : 17:11:51
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 Indeed. |
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Janson
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2014 : 02:02:56
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Hello Janet. Very interesting article. I was interested in your comment on other relatives, so I searched the Ancestry.com Public Member Trees for your Ancestor Zacarias Nielsen. There is one tree I looked that may interest you. It is the tree of
Kristina Dunnaway and Sue Sisco-Garcia
This tree references the family from the 1865 Norwegian Census. And lists
Zacharias Nielsen
Birth 1803 in Ytterøy, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
And wife
Berithe Sivertsdatter
Birth 18 Mar 1810 in Inderoy, Nord-Trondelag, Norway
And I assume your direct ancestor.
Iver Zachariassen Kjolsvigsveel
Birth 03 Nov 1852 in Ytterøy, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
The tree does not trace the family of Zacharias back further but does trace the family of Berthe back two more generations. As follows, first
Sivert Zachariassen Svarva
Birth 15 Mar 1776 in Inderoy, Nord-Trondelag, Norway
Married to
Maren Larsdatter Stenstad
Birth 13 Aug 1780 in Inderoy, Nord-Trondelag, Norway
And back to
Zacharias Sivertsen
Birth 1738
Death 11 May 1779 in Inderoy, Nord-Trondelag, Norway
Married to
Guru Pedersdatter Røvigen
Birth 10 Feb 1739 in Inderoy, Nord-Trondelag, Norway
Death
Father of Guru was
Peder OLSEN
Birth 1708
Married to
Ingabor HANSDATTER
Birth 1713
Death Bet. 1767–1772
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2014 : 02:18:59
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Looking further into the owner of the Tree referenced above I find this for Kristina, who has posted numerous times on Ancestry Message Boards.
Kristina Dunnaway
Sunnyvale, California
She has posted for information on the Gow family and is probably found on Facebook as Kristina Gow Dunnaway aka Kristina Cendejas.
Further information on this duo plucked from the Ancestry.com site.
Kristina Dunnaway and Sue Sisco-Garcia
USA
My daughter Kristina and I share a joint quest to uncover our family roots. We are happy to share our research with other family members and help other researchers if we can.
My family has been in the US for many generations, and DNA shows my ethnic background is British Isles. My former husband's family (my daughter's side) came in the US in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Their ethnic background is Norwegian, Scotch, and Irish (possibly a bit of British Isles too). |
Edited by - AntonH on 06/01/2014 03:51:27 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2014 : 03:03:11
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Janet, you mentioned the difficulty of using the old dating system that one encounters with the oldest of records. Here is a pathway that might prove useful. Here is a link to a list of the Ecclesiastical dates.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/ecclesiastical.html
Once you read off the date listed for the baptism you can use this Danish Calendar to find out what the dates correspond to in modern terminology.
http://www.rmadsen.dk/kal/
For example the Family Tree for Kristinia lists the baptism date for Maren Larsdatter grandmother of Iver to be 20 August, 1780. Above I listed the date she gave for the birth of Maren, but she also listed the baptism date in the Family Tree.
The Norwegian record lists it as Døbt 13 P Tr or baptism on 13 Post Trinitas or 13 th Sunday past Trinity Sunday. Using the link to the Dansk Kalendar you find that in 1780 Trinitatis was 21 May. Counting 13 sundays past 21 May gives you Sunday 20 August. |
Edited by - AntonH on 06/01/2014 03:53:17 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2014 : 06:21:35
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Janet, you probably have other, perhaps more distant relatives in the US. There are two other Family Tree's on Ancestry.com. Both link to
Sivert Zachariassen-Svarva
Birth 15 MAR 1776 in Inderoy, Nord-Trondelag, Norway and his wife
Maren Larsdatter-Steenstad
Birth 13 AUG 1780 in Inderoy, Nord-Trondelag, Norway
Father and Mother to
Berithe Sivertsdatter
Birth 18 MAR 1810 in Inderoy, Nord-Trondelag, Norway
Neither of these two trees give any further information on Berithe, so it is likely that they descend from some other member of the family.
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Janson
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/01/2014 : 18:26:27
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Hi Lyndal40
Thanks very much for all your advice. I now have a lot more research to do! |
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